Open 579: Pick Your (Chocolate) Power -- Game Over

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

It was mostly 178 tbh.

[droog]

@Ankamius, you may recall that

I don't like naked votes.

That's okay, because I posted the meat of why I think he's scum

on the last page.

Siveure trying to discredit Mathdino leaving the wagon is slimy as hell. Nothing about his ISO really gives me any good iggly wigglies either.

this vote is barely decent
running around the streets with buttcheeks a-flapping
scaring parents with questions from the kids like
"mommy, whats that mans snake doing"

but no, its not te

chnically n

aked

[droog]

Can you provide other examples of panicking and premature claiming please? I do believe this is the lynch wagon; I'm more confident in this than wgeurts and Amy. Amy's wagon gave me heebeejeebies and my argument on wgeurts was legitimately just meta, no idea wtf happened there.

Alchemist's behaviour is tied very much to his interaction with others. As such, I want a flip before I consider lynching a PR. His being a PR won't stop me from seriously considering him tomorrow if you flip town.

Scum is gonna work harder than town to figure out the breadcrumb, Siveure. Indicating that you've breadcrumbing it is tantamount to outing your pick to scum more than town. Just go ahead and say it.

logic is your hobby right dino
oh, sorry, thats a thought clearly unrelated to anything happening in this post

reminds me

VOTE: mathdino

[droog]

Druuge,

calling me scum because you think Amy is town and because you like her responds is bad logic.

We can simply misread each other, that's very common, especially on Day1. By the way, I'm not voting for her right now.

your absolutely right
good thing i didnt

well, you know how the joke goes

[droog]

Also, let's see those wagons.
+ = the player was/is on that particular wagon
– = the player was/is away
0 = that player was/is wagoned
The order of the signs: Amy, Wgeurts, Siveure. Draft is in brackets.

Alchemist21 (4) : – + +
davesaz (6) : – + +
Ankamius (8) : – – +
Siveure DtTrikyp (13) : + + 0
Venrob (15) : – – +
Aneninen (1) : + – –
Romitelli (1) : – – – (very few posts from this slot)
Amy Farrah Fowler (3) : 0 – –
farside22 (3) : – – –
Mathdino (5) : + + +
wgeurts (5) : – 0 +
Flubbernugget (2) : + + –
Adrien C (2) : – – – (very few posts from this slot)
droog (2) : + – –

This might tell us a couple of things.
First of all, I may be wrong about Amy. If she were scum she could have jumped on any of the wagons to save her a$$. That didn't happen.
If Siveure is scum (note that he was on both wagons) we should pay attention to Flubber too who was on the first two wagons.
Farside may be town, she was uninterested in all of the wagons. Unsure about Romitelli and AdrienC because of too little content.
Alchemystique and Davesaz were doing the same. Mathdino is the only player who was on all of the wagons, though if my memories are correct he had left the Amy-wagon before it started to dissolve. I'm not sure what to think about this phenomenon (away from Amy, on for Wgeurts and Siveure) but there might be at least one but maximum two scums among these three players if Siveure flips town. Although, I must admit that this pattern might be a coincidence too.
Another interesting thing: there were no players who were on both the Amy and Siveure wagons but away from the Wgeurts wagon. I don't know whether it is significant.

Post-edit: Romitelli is auto-FoS in my eyes because of his draft but I apart from that he's null: mere 6 posts and 4 of those are contentless. And I don't have problems with funny names, I'm using some on others too. ^_^

((you messed my name up, you forgot the 'e'))

once i understood this post i liked the effort involved
definitely dont agree with the logic

farside being off all 3 major wagons doesnt imply town
scum are almost never going to put all players on each wagon

[droog]

Droog: why are you voting here for amy especially as Dino is voting for her as well? You think dino maybe scum for reason's I disagree with and he voted his scum buddy?

i didnt even realize someone'd voted for me
not sure what your point is i unvoted amy

no clue how to answer your questions otherwise
also dino's casted enough votes where id be surprised if one of them ahdnt hit scum

[droog]

Did he join any wagon? Did you check all his scum games?
Also he was town in a game I played. Most of the time he lurked like a fiend but towards the end tried to figure things out. He did not jump from wagon to wagon and that game a player played his town meta and was scum that game. One of the reasons I no longer take stock in meta.

i didnt do an exhaustive analysis
i just dicked around in a few of his closed games

sounds like you agree with me though so
go team?

[droog]

Wait. Actually put some thought into the alchemist case and lol. That is actually scummy by siv's narrow definition of scummy.

VOTE: alchemist

please explain

dont ignore this post in the mas ofposts im making

]/

alchemist is on efo my town reads right now

[droog]

My top three scum reads are:
Siv: His lurking style doesn't go down well with me, the worst is it seems as if he is doing it intentionally. I also think that this wagon may be actually hitting scum as if you look it seems to have been given a lot more resistance than mine and amy's. I'm going to meta cov as flubbers made some points on it and that could lead to siv or flubber looking scum.
Romitelli: Stop lurking, lurking would be a great strategy for scum in the case that siv is town. Scum could just sit back and relax and let the town hang themselves. They also get an added bonus of making few associative tells which benefits scum late game, we really need discussion to stop scum playing like this. I'm going to meta him as well to see how he plays as scum/town.
TheAdrien: Same reasons as Romi, meta will also happen on him.

There may be a few meta cases popping up from me later. I don't think flubber is scum as his play wouldn't make sense if it were. I need to relook the Alchemist case so it'd be great if someone could some it up.

i disagree with all your reads:

1) siv is posting content when he does post
its not regular lurking

2) if all your cases are based on lurking you're not reading the people who are posting
3) ^

[droog]

wgeurts

Flubbernugget
droog
davesaz
Alchemist21
Ankamius
Amy Farrah Fowler

Siveure DtTrikyp

Aneninen
Romitelli
TheAdrienC
Mathdino

farside22

Venrob

Those that aren't bolded post your top 3 scum reads and provide reasons.

mathdino

-- he's all over the place, but never the right places

aneninen

-- awful cases that look better than they are

ankamius

-- i needed to pad this out

[Mathdino]

So just to be clear, you're townreading:
1. Hayate/Ankamius
2. Siveure
3. Amy
4. davesaz
5. Alchemist
6/7. null-town on Romitelli/Adrien
8. Flubbernugget
9. Yourself obv
And you've given no read on farside/Venrob. So based on your latest reads, your proposed scumteam is me/Alchemist/Aneninen (you also said wgeurts was pinging your scumdar)?
Having conviction in your pet scumreads is great and all, but applying a dash of PoE makes you need to support this theory.

Edit: Never mind.

[droog]

Druuge. Multiple issues.

If Amy happens to be scum, he must have done a Chainsaw.

In his opinion I was tunnelling Amy yet he has been doing the same to me, also thinks that I'm a good "compromise lynch" in 467, which is weird. Also, a couple of disturbing things like "'your argument is bad but you're still probably town' is a classic scum defense" in 498, I'm sure that the thing he asked in 370 had already been explained by me before... however, there are caveats, like: he posted something similar in 371 that I did above. Plus, he's been away from most wagons. Lean scum.

"if amy happens to be scum, droog is scum"
"because if amy is scum, droog chainsawed amy"
"droog chainsawed amy because droog is scum"

you just gave a reason for suspecting me that is circular

[droog]

actually

Venrob.

Less content than it appears. Focuses on too few players.

Unsorted–lean scum

.

MathDino.

What an amount of effort is made by him! He's examining everything, pays attention to everyone and tries to lead the town. I would say that he's probably town... but I've got a bad intuition about him. If he's scum he won't be the first one who falls, I'm sure. I don't think he's be a good lynch Today anyway so let's see how the game goes on later.

Probably town (logic) / probably scum

(weak intuition plus he has been on all of the three wagons so far).

Siveure.

Am I the only one who thinks that his crumb which was:

"Also @ anyone who metas me and has a question they really shouldn't ask me, the answer is either "Yes" or "No", depending on what you ask. And this is probably way too blatant."

– could mean anything? That "Yes" or "No" is a possible answer for many things. He said that he would lurk until the wagon would disappear (425) but it hasn't happened. Worried about the stall of the game in 480 and that didn't happen in the abandoned game I met him. I didn't like 503 either, Doc

could

be chosen by the first three players in the draft.

Lean scum–probably scum.

Davesaz.

Null,

and I'm not talking about him for the same reason as he's not talking about me. Sorry.

Amy.

My

former scumread. But,

her later posts may have been town-flails and "mirror-scumreading" someone is more likely a newbtown-tell than a scum-tell. Therefore, lean town. (We should keep in mind that the scums have daytalk and she may have been coached there if she's scum.)

Druuge.

Multiple issues. If Amy happens to be scum, he must have done a Chainsaw. In his opinion I was tunnelling Amy yet he has been doing the same to me, also thinks that I'm a good "compromise lynch" in 467, which is weird. Also, a couple of disturbing things like "'your argument is bad but you're still probably town' is a classic scum defense" in 498, I'm sure that the thing he asked in 370 had already been explained by me before... however, there are caveats, like: he posted something similar in 371 that I did above. Plus, he's been away from most wagons.

Lean scum.

Alchemiss.

Something is fishy here. By ISO-ing I can see less content than I remembered. 308 and nearby is strange (why is it a problem that Siveure has a townread on Dave?), 315 is very strange in its context. He has been on 2 of the major wagons.

Lean scum.

Ankamius.

Less content than it appears and there are no new things appearing in his reads.

Unsorted–lean scum

Farside.

I had a townread on her before and it hasn't changed. Probably town.

AdrienC.

Very little content and he's posting about very few things.

Unsorted.

FlubberNugget.

I've seen the same Flubber in the abandoned game with the same setup. I kept scumreading him there as far as I can remember and it turned out the he was town. Therefore, lean town. (His vote-moving is a thing we should remember later, although.)

Romitelli.

Null in itself

(although, picking 1 is an Auto-FoS, as I posted that before). What is more interesting in him is the fact that some of the players featured him in their Top3 list, as far as I can remember, Alchemist, Siveure, Ankamius... maybe someone should summarize those scumreads, shouldn't they?

post-edit

...it's especially interesting because he's leaving the game now!

Wgeurts.

I still can't see too many scummy things here. Probably to

way to omany scum reads

[droog]

So just to be clear, you're townreading:

after my reread

town:
alchemist
wgeurts
siv
amy

null:

venrob
farside
flubber


scum
dino
ankamius
aninemen

[Mathdino]

droog, I only see 4 real scumreads in 529. His read on me is flip floppy. That seems about appropriate IMO. Also if you read the post it had Amy as a townread.

[droog]

i know it had amy as a townread
but the wording totally leaves anem open to saying
'jk i decided amy was scummy again'

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Okay, @ 582. I don't really remember.

My read on alchemist basically progressed like this.

1) Pure sheepage of math, no thought applied.
2) Eh, w/e, let's go on anen b/c reasons
3) Oooh, math's case actually works (Post 425. Exactly. Every post after that is then)
4) Does it really matter whether he's scummy or not? It's not like anyone reads my stuff anyway. I thought he was scummy before, he's probably scummy.

So yeah, currently I don't actually have a clue why I'm voting alchemist.

UNVOTE: alchemist
VOTE: aneninen

I don't think this has to be a compromise lynch tbh.

[droog]

deadline's in 4 days so im holding on dino for a bit

[TheAdrienC]

Unvote: Flubbernugget

I'll swing by Day 2 to see what's going on with Flubbernugget but something just caught my eye that I think needs to be addressed right now. We had a weak wagon get started on Alchemist once the Siv wagon stalled. Ane did a nice breakdown showing us that Mathdino was on all three of the major wagons before hand. Now he's part of the second biggest wagon on right now. I'm just getting a vibe that he's trying to mislynch whoever he can.

I'll give him one post to answer these questions in a manner that makes me feel better about him before officially moving my vote onto him. Because I'm fair and stuff.

1) What was your reasoning for voting for then removing your votes on all three of them?

2) Who were your top two or three scumreads during the time of each wagon, including the wagoned player?

3) Who are you scumreading right now (including your voted read, Alchemist)? You sidestepped when you were asked before. You mentioned scenarios making people go either way before, I'll accept an explanation of that if it still applies.

[TheAdrienC]

Actually, just missed Siv unvoting Alchemist but the wagon existed on the previous page.

[Mathdino]

Your wagon analysis is impressive, Adrien.

That said, might want to note that the whole reason I was on so many wagons is because I jumped off when they developed too fast.

And also that I've been the 1st or 2nd person on each of those 3 wagons.

Might wanna rethink what makes my wagon hopping suspicious.

[wgeurts]

That's a lot of posts Droog, please don't go and do a Wisdom.

[Mathdino]

Bro.

[wgeurts]

Bro.

M'kay

[TheAdrienC]

Any chance you can still answer the questions? Hopping off because they got hot too fast answered one half of question one.