Capcom Crossover Chaos - GAME OVER~

[mental somnic]

VOTE: notcaled

[Johou Tougou Shinen-Tai]

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GUYS I KNOW THE PASSWORD NOW DONT WORRY

Have you been communicating with ns prior to your in-thread entry?

-kagami

[mental somnic]

Why would I bother talking about people who I'm not scumreading unless I have a hard townread on them and they are being pushed? You can be scum with AA if you really want to though sonic, it's fine with me.

idk man
maybe we value you opinion and think it will help advance the game state
but i guess thats wrong when you call us scum

the game exists outside of those two players, theres a whole 20 other players than you, aa and skitty

[droog]

townreading kagami's entrance
winter's ok too

[Kise]

Votecount:

Skitty: 9 (dramonic, DeathNote, TWOH, BROseidon, shos, GGG, Winter Skies, The Goat, mental somnic)
GGG: 2 (adorkable, ooba)
TWOH: 1 (droog)
Bulbazak: 1 (AA9)
AA9: 1 (TiphaineDeath)

Not Voting:

Bulbazak, GuyInFreezer, Johou Tougou Shinen-Tai, Major Minor, PeregrineV, Skitty, Southern Belles, wgeurts, ZZZX

With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-01-02 11:19:14)

[mental somnic]

Sonic says skitty is scum

om agrees with this after seeing caled

[caledfwitch]

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GUYS I KNOW THE PASSWORD NOW DONT WORRY

Have you been communicating with ns prior to your in-thread entry?

-kagami

nah hes just been pushing me to read the thread and i have been lazy and also busy w school

[Johou Tougou Shinen-Tai]

Did he give a reason for claiming survivor without running it by you first?

[BROseidon]

Your Adorkable/Bro reads are interesting to me, especially considering Bro was oddly sensitive towards Ooba regarding Adorkable

Me noticing a potential associative is "oddly sensitive?"

Okay...

[Brian Skies]

It is when the associative doesn't exist and no one was talking about adorkable.

[Winter Skies]

Spoiler:

It is when the associative doesn't exist and no one was talking about adorkable.

This might become a problem for me.

[BROseidon]

Your Adorkable/Bro reads are interesting to me, especially considering Bro was oddly sensitive towards Ooba regarding Adorkable. Bro doesn't really feel like he did in AoT because his play there was oddly wacky and scummy coming from him.

the main parallel I'm seeing is that of specious or otherwise manipulative argumentation

if you remember from that game, a lot of the arguments he was pushing weren't actually correct and were generally very shallow. he also heavily relied on this in NY167. on the other hand, in my experience with town BRO, all his arguments were *very* rock solid and logical. the coaching point reads as an example of this

I also thought it was weird that he brought up Wicked, bc if you look at his Mala case from that game, he had a lot more on Mala than what he has here and the arguments he had were a lot better, and it doesn't make sense that he would believe his coaching argument here with the same amount of conviction that he believed in his Mala case from that game. I think it comes from more of a scum-seeking-approval mindset than a town-trying-to-figure-things-out mindset. there are other posts that gave me similar vibes

there's some other things I think are individually scummy, which will have to wait until later bc no time atm. I'm also taking into account that BRO's scum play in AOT was probably the most obvious scum play I've seen, so I'd expect his play to generally be better than that.

In your experience with me where I've been scum like 1/2 the time, and in the town game you did cite (NY169) I played... very similar to how I'm playing here, actually.

You're also misrepresenting the Mala case. That Mala case wasn't a super rock-solid case in anyone's eyes but my own - fuck, everyone in that game let Mala get away with soft-CCing me as a conftown role because they thought my case was so thin.

(For reference: the read on Mala in that game was b/c she buddied a bad question of Mina's on page 2 or 3 that concerned hydras in a way that seemed slightly off, and her over defensive response led me to figuring out that she was scum with 2 hydras)

[Winter Skies]

Hmmm. Upon further thought, I may have misinterpreted your post. Were you implying that Ooba missing adorkable might indicate an association?

[BROseidon]

Yes

[Winter Skies]

Oh, well that changes a lot of things.

[mental somnic]

Bro, Brian/Ray
talk to me about tiph's reluctance to give out reads
what do you guys think of that

[BROseidon]

It's bad, but I also don't have much respect for TD as a player post Xenogears (where he pulled this kind of shit) so...

[mental somnic]

wait what was he in xenogears?

[Southern Belles]

I am here! Sort of. My brain is completely fried, so excuse me if I don't make sense. There's also a good chance I pass out mid read. In that case I'll be back tomorrow.

Mollie told me some of the basics but our gchat window closed when I had to turn my computer off for the airplane, so hopefully she'll open it again. Hint. Hint.

[BROseidon]

Yeah, he pulled this "lol I'm not giving reads" shit, Venmar copped him, then he derp-hammered Andy when Nacho was supposed to.

[mental somnic]

um i meant
what alignment

[Bulbazak]

How about we designate someone scummy to target UT, then lynch that person and see if they are cult?

It was because I felt that scum would be jumping on Skitty for the Survivor claim, sensing an easy lynch opportunity. I became less gung-ho about it after more people kept piling on, and it was apparent that they weren't all scum. My only point of suspicion at this point is that JTST hasn't talked about anything outside of the 3rd party claims.

Why would scum not want to keep Skitty alive? They're basically saying to scum "We aren't going to scum hunt, and if you keep us alive till LyLo you win."

Skitty is a good place for scum to vote park due to policy reasons. It makes them look legitimate without putting in any effort. My comment had nothing to do with scum wanting Skitty lynched, but rather that their wagon would be an easy place for scum to hide out.

is it rlly a waste of a vig if u admitted to being an anti-town role and alignment?

Anti-town means against town not not-town. If a role's wincon is not working against yours, leave it alone.

mate
mate
town want to get rid of non-town
you are non-town
the fact that you could potentially be pro-town means jack shit
you are not town

Correction: Town want to get rid of scum.

Survivors are not scum.

Scum are Mafia, SK, Cult, Werewolves, Aliens, or the like. Anything else tends not to bother town and is a waste of time going after as town. Leave. It. Alone.

That's still not an anti-town role. My role is not inherently anti-town like, say, a Serial Killer or mafia faction. Suggesting it's a valuable thing for town to use shots on me is not a very town motivated suggestion unless you're claiming you believe me to be a serial killer or mafia faction (or cult).

lol
Survivor is

significantly

more anti-town than SK.

How so? An SK is essentially a lone mafia, with a similar wincon. An SK wins alone. Survivors just have to make it to the end. They win with whoever is left. The best survivor play is to work with town in secret but not stand out to scum. That makes them inherently more pro-town than SKs.

It's why you should never claim Survivor. Your word means nothing when in lylo, survivor is essentially another mafia member at worst or a kingmaker at best. There is no reason to let the role live till end game which means you can not win.

Lesson learned I hope.

This is scum.

I don't like Adorkable freaking out over ZZZX's claim.

On to page 23.

I need to check up on a few things, but I should be back later tonight. So help me if I see any more people freaking out over Survivors and not actually looking for scum...

[Winter Skies]

I couldn't care less if TD dies. I think he's misconstruing AA9's intentions to make her motivations look scummier than they actually are.

Also, reluctance to share reads is a scumtell?

[Southern Belles]

Now that the game's started-

We are a survivor that wins with everyone.

Our flavor is Pacman. That being said, we're going to be jumping on the main wagon from here on out.

Course, I might have some witty banter for you all. One doesn't just get in this awesome playerlist and lurk the entire time. Pretty much all I'm going to do though.

Ewwww

I promise I will not spam catch up, but I'm guessing this is what mollie didn't like about notty.

It's one thing to be a survivor who plans to help town win, it's another to be like yolololo I'll just wagon hop!

[Southern Belles]

Now that the game's started-

We are a survivor that wins with everyone.

Our flavor is Pacman. That being said, we're going to be jumping on the main wagon from here on out.

Course, I might have some witty banter for you all. One doesn't just get in this awesome playerlist and lurk the entire time. Pretty much all I'm going to do though.

To clarify you win with both scum and town victory conditions? Shouldn't we as town lynch you day one because if you live to Lylo you just will vote with the scum wagon to win.

VOTE: skitty

I don't like the *as town* bit here.