Mini 1633 ~ Non-normal Mafias Mafia OVER!!!

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now
this game is crazy as all heck
so im just gonna
not pay attention to early claim implications in terms of other roles
i think its likely each role could be individual to another role and any implications you would get in a normal game arent present in this

extinguisher claim itself is believable
too random of a role to fake right off the bat

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yea soinc i was surprised to see you too babe
i literally just confirmed my pre-in and never checked the thread again oops

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but now we are here


also hey
hey guys
i have a niggling suspicion that mathdino is scum
just a niggling gut read
but im not gonna vote on it until the mod actually comes in and confirms daystart

(niggling is such a great word)

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im not gonna quote ur whole iso

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post in your normal account you ding dong

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zoom zoom

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I still don't like how Om blatantly states that he isn't tagging portions of the game once again.

huh what do you mean by this


also 'normal 3-day night deadlines'
bro i came from a site with 72 hour days and 24 hour nights man long deadlines are the death of me
this deadline is a month long and it's only just going to encourage people to get more apathetic as the days go on.

i vote we make deadline two weeks instead

and speaking of voting
VOTE: Mathdino

The max on day deadlines I will go down to is 3 weeks. The max on nights is 3 days.

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Hey I forgot Om is in the game, a remember a newbie games eons ago where he rage quit and PMed me about a player in the game after he did so.

Oh the memories.

VOTE: om

what a character i was 3 years ago

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The max on day deadlines I will go down to is 3 weeks. The max on nights is 3 days.

coooldog you make me really really sad
3 weeks is like 7 times 3 days thats way too much time

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yea but metal sonic is p nice and ur comin in the game on page 3 using a lot of expletives already
idk in terms of policy id rather get rid of u at this point

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the fact that i actually only have one solid read by now is shitty

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i honestly think not shortening this day phase is a great way to kickstart an apathetic game
town collectively is going to put off lynching to the point where nobody feels like they should lynch but everyone secretly wants to and nobody has the guts to do anythign about it so we all become complacent

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also i want more votes on dino

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ok guys lets get more activity pls
mathdino is scum
fuduzn and/or zombeh could be scum with him
flubber is def town
ghostlin could very well be town
eyestott is not town due to roleclaim, judge him on his play (ftr im null leaning town on him)

sonic i want your opinions on these

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let me collaborate with sonic a bit
i might gleam some reasoning on it then

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what do you think of the rest of the reads though?
would you get on a mathdino wagon with me?

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well
you should heavily consider joining the wagon
it is om approved thats how u kno its great

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you dont think his posts are awkward and trying to blend in?
because thats exactly what im getting from his iso
also the whole spiel about setup spec and then calling someone out for rolefishing doesnt sit right

PEDIT sonic bae
anything to add?

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thats a good observation
i like it

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not rlly
tn
read it again
im saying that im just ignoring what the roles would usually imply in a normal game
which is useful bc this game is definitely not normal and getting caught up in normal expectations is a waste of time

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i mean
you literally didnt bold exactly where i said the above

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i agree with you but sheep me first you bitch

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im voting mathdino

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i want flubber in this block too

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what can i say i wont deny the thought that im town and important enough to be included in a block
its very self fulfilling

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i dont think ive ever encountered a block that wasnt explicitly mentioned
so idk what the heck ur on about
also early game reads are totally great

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My early game reads have always been bad, so I know better than to rely upon them.

Also: MastinMD

yea but
did you consider that maybe you are just bad

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Are we gonna stop fluffposting now?

idk about u but ive been 100% serious in my posts

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Actually, upon further review, Mathdino's setup spec looks perfectly legit. It was a conversation about Eye's roleclaim, and it makes a lot of sense. And then Dino cuts short further role speculation, which is good.

Townpoints for Mathdino, scumpoints for Om for misrepping the discussion. And some suspicion for all those reads that really aren't warranted this early, especially without any justification.

yea sure it makes sense but its still bad and i stand by that
i dont need your filthy scumpoints
early reads are my style

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The best move for scum is often pro-town (e.g. bussing when they don't have to). Of course, that blurs the line between pro-town and pro-scum moves. Forming townblocs blurs the line between pro-town and pro-scum, because you don't know if the player forming the townbloc is scum or town. That lack of knowledge doesn't mean the act of creating a townbloc is scummy -- it's null, unless you have independent evidence that the player forming the townbloc is town or scum, in which case the player is town or scum based on something other than the act of forming the townbloc. Point is, forming townblocs is null. Whether they end up having a pro-town or pro-scum effect depends on whether the player forming it is scum.

As for Mastin's "lecture," Mastin's point is more about probability of success or failure -- townblocs formed early fail more often than townblocs formed later; townblocs that form organically without trying succeed more often than townblocs that form consciously. The original lecture -- I looked into it -- was in response to the question, "What's the best way to form townblocs." The question wasn't whether forming townblocs is scummy, and Mastin's answer has to be read in that context. I don't agree 100% with Mastin's analysis, either.

In my experience, I've never seen a townie say to themselves, "X is town because X formed a townbloc," so forming townblocs doesn't have much value as far as tricking townies into thinking you're town. I've also never seen any evidence that people who "force" townblocs are scum more often than town. In fact, in my experience, the vast majority of folks forming the townblocs are town.

I'm not saying Metal is town. I don't know. I think as a matter of scumhunting, a better approach is asking Metal why he thinks Om and TN are town. Trying to understand his thought-process, etc.

this post feels like a whole bunch of filler

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What's a townbloc

a group of townies who vote together

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I'm thinking:
If there's two scumteams, with an arsonist in one, that team gets an extra kill. I would say there's also an equivalent killer (maybe a poisoner) in the other team, and an anti-poisoner town role.
Either that, or the arsonist (if it exists) is a 3P.
That's just my opinion. If you want to comment on it, please do.
I've faced the fact that I'm much more useful at role related matters than actual scumhunting. I will try and scumhunt, mind you, but I'm just trying to utilise my strengths.
I know that it's not useful for the whole town to speculate setup, which is why I'm looking for maybe one or two other people maximum to talk about this with me.

dont waste your time on this now
wait until closer to the end of the day at least
preferably i want you to do this tomorrow though but end of day is fine. for now we need to catch scum rather than hypothesize about scum

VOTE: tn

not sure about tn

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i really honestly think that any setup spec d1 in this kind of setup is useless bc we dont know anything about the gamestate and the roles will tell us nothing about it either
all we're gonna do is out ourselves in the process

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exactly

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hey eyestott what do you think of zombehs

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i think
with 9 pages
filled of setup spec and unexplained reads
there is more to comment on than he already has
which is nothing
and i dont like how he hasn't commented on anything relevant to the game other than agreeing with a player

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oh and that was agreeing with a player about mafia theory

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yes
he's had many an opportunity to produce things but he's avoiding them it seems

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ok so basically i liked flub's post on policy lynching a policy lyncher felt town as heck and he feels like he's on the same wavelength as me regarding setup spec and he sounds honest as heck when i read his posts so im quite happy putting him as 99% town right now

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yea u kno what im changing my vote
VOTE: zombehs

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ok so basically i liked flub's post on policy lynching a policy lyncher felt town as heck and he feels like he's on the same wavelength as me regarding setup spec and he sounds honest as heck when i read his posts so im quite happy putting him as 99% town right now

What sounds "honest" about his posts? I don't buy a 99% town based on wanting to policy lynch a policy lyncher and being on the same page as you regarding strategy -- those are both theoretical positions.

i cant explain how i read tone
it just doesnt work like that
he's so super duper town to me and most of that is beyond explanation so i cant help there

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there'd be a difference in you needing to believe that if i was trying to convince you on the townread but im not. this is my read and he's not in danger of getting lynched so i dont have to try and intervene in anything

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@om & eyesott what do you like about tn's iso?

He has one kinda towny post

i am honestly not sure about tn
i mean
even as scum i was legitimately reading him as scum
which makes me unsure of just how easy it will be for me to read him
so im on the fence about it
i want more from him about things not theory related

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Zombehs is voting himself? I don't like that at all.

Do you see it as scum not playing to wincon, or town ambivalence?

I see it as frustrated town, at least this early.

I disagree, I think this is way too early in the game and we honestly only just had a wagon actually grow on Zombeh and he's already throwing in the towel without even so much of a fight. Thats not frustrated townie being annoyed because nobody is listening, that is scum trying to gain sympathy.

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also actually im gonna openly hate on all the metal sonic votes

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tbf if zombeh is town and just gonna be extremely apathetic about this game when it only started 3 days ago then rlly he should just replace out
harsh but rlly unless he shapes up and actually plays the game instead of complaining about not knowing anything and doing zero about it then he's gonna get lynched

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also actually im gonna openly hate on all the metal sonic votes

And the only better idea you have is to vote for newb lynchbait?

yo please tell me why the heck zombeh is town
you even said yourself that you dislike the self-vote

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well
attacking someone for being a newb is irrelevant if they're legitimately being scummy
so idk why you feel the need to point it out

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it is legitimate
there is a complete absence of content and when pressed to do things he just fakes not knowing anything at all without even putting up a fight
town would care about being misread, especially on day 1 when the game is far from being in an overall apathetic state

there is no urge in his posts to get his point across and he's just already surrendered which shows a lack of conviction which is characteristic of scum

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You know what it's also characteristic of? Newbs being uncertain what to do against perceived veterans attacking en masse.

there is no conviction in his posts
there is no attempt to do anything at all
that is the absence of town motivation
newb status means jack shit when you have those missing

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i dont think sonic trying to force a townblock is scummy at all
and i think you are mistaken in voting him

and i dont like how you say that one scum is higher priority than another
scum is scum
and i think you are too now tbh

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I don't like Metals promiscuity of reading people as town to the point of wanting to be in a townblock with them.

nope, not scummy. i have been like this before as town too

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oh

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I'm not saying it's scummy, just that I don't like it.
Metal is being unhelpful though, but he's not a newbie.

Well, he's not being helpful.

Remember when you mocked me earlier this game for proposing a policy lynch? (Well, maybe not you, but someone in this Town sure did.)

This is why I'm acceptably OK with them. If you are going to be generally useless or unhelpful to Town and scum won't shoot you because you are either on their team or just a fucking net drag to Town, you should lynch them and get it out of the fucking way rather than have someone who has done fuck all in LYLO making decisions they have no right to make.

Also, they're almost impossible to tell which alignment they are, so you could just hit scum as a bonus.

hey then vote zombehs

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this whole game is way too fucking centered on an argument of townblocks
and its not going anywhere fast because of that
guys talk about people not metal's slot or zombehs

i want so much more from FuDuzn
Mathdino has gone in to lurking, and has been active onsite outside of this game already despite having things to talk about in this thread

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I am desperately waiting from anything from ika but ika is on VLA until tomorrow
MTD has barely said anything

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Flubber and MTD are both very close to getting their first prod
Dino is about 8 hours behind on the first prod

these people need to hecking post already

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also i think four trouble is town as heck but idk why his vote is still on me when he's openly agreeing with what i said about zombeh being scum and is not pushing for me being scum in the slightest

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ok what do you think about mathdino being active but not posting in this game since before the zombehs self-vote?

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reasonable explanations only are a thing when you aren't active on site at all
and thats clearly not the case here
i understand that its the holiday season but yea he's avoiding this game methinks

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what about the possibility that there is no arsonist and and the role is just in the game to mess with us?
remember, this game is supposedly specifically desugned to not comply to thr "meta"

Oh wow, people, you're too fast.

i think mtd is scum actually
this is 2/3 of his iso

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yea
bc he's actively not producing content

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lets talk about flubber
what do u think of him

pedit:
yea but
circumstances dictate what is right
i think these circumstances lean towards mtd scum
but maybe he could remedy that by being useful

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ok great so we're on the same page there
what are u thinking about pasch

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im not sure i understand that association
if pasch would be associated with anyone right now i think it would be with a zombeh scumflip

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if pasch would be associated with anyone right now i think it would be with a zombeh scumflip

For wanting decent reasons before I vote? Suuuuuure. I'm totally scum for not sheeping your gut reads.

you have been against the wagon quite a lot without even reading zombehs as town and you have expressed your own dislike at some of zombeh's actions.
you are clearly taking no stance on zombehs other than you dont want him to be lynched but you arent pushing anyone else while you do it
this lynch is not a wasted lynch if it hits scum and the only defense you can give to the reasons i've outlined is that its a newbtell, which says absolutely nothing as to why it cant be scum

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eyestott, help me lynch Ghost.

whats wrong with ghost?

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mate

you have yet to fucking explain why the heck zombehs cant be scum

newbieness does not fucking matter when they have done legitimate scummy things

these are not fucking newb slip ups from town
and you havent told me why they would be

lynching anyone in this game is no more likely to hit than a random dice roll
it is not fucking bad play to choose a player to lynch

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UNLESS YOU ARE EXPLICITLY READING ZOMBEHS AS TOWN YOU SHOULDNT BE DEFENDING THE WAGON

calling it a newblynch is just a fucking cop out to get yourself out of needing to form a read on him

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I think I understand your point, but I dont think at this point my own thoughts on it warrant a vote.


but in reading his iso i realised

I'm a gun census. Which means I can count the number of guns each day. I just submitted the request for the first count.

we never got the answer to this?

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im p sure thats L-1 now

town gun census doesnt seem like too powerful of a role to really need to get rid of tbh

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i dont particularly want him at L-1 until he posts again but tbh we're probably just gonna have to wait until he gets prodded

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im about 90% sure that cooldog didnt change today's deadline and its still the 19th so im ok with that, heck maybe even two weeks off will be fine
but ultimately i still want a post from zombehs befpre any of that can happen

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no matter how many times you say the lynch is bad, it wont become true.
i have provided so much more reason for believing zombehs to be scum than you have for believing it to be a bad lynch

for the last fucking time

newbies can be scum too

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seriously
take newbiness out of the equation you have absolutely zero reason to believe it to be a bad lynch
if i take newbiness out of the equation i still have a case

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mate
tell me how lack of attempts to do anything is coming from town
he has made no effort to form opinions or push any arguments
he sheeped tn on a theory related thing
when pushed with votes instead of fighting back he immediately surrendered

he has not portrayed any desire to further the game state
he has not portrayed any conviction with anything he's said
therefore he has not portrayed any desire to be pro-town
therefore he deserves to be lynched

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i dont care if you think a lurker lynch is bad d1, yea i think its mostly bad too
but the thing is this is also a lynch that i believe is gonna hit scum rather than just anyone
so im pushing it for that reason

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you know i have posts about people who arent zombehs

also i went along with townbloc bc that is metal style play it did not bother me

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yea well
thats because people still think he qualifies as a newb which therefore makes him not scummy
maybe if people stop being ding dongs about it i can move on to other things

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if anything i have been the sole reason that everyone jumped on the wagon because literally everyone except me has sheeped me on the wagon
so please, tell me why me pushing a wagon is more scummy than just agreeing on short notice and jumping on

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i come back after two days of basically playing console games and nothing else and you guys are still discussing the validity of lurker lynches i swear to god guys

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this is too raunchy

i think one of tn and pasch is scum but idk who
i also like fud for scum but not as sure on that
zombehs is still scum tho so im just waiting for a lynch on that

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It's like raunch dressing has been applied to the game.
What makes you think that the debate between tn and pasch is a town vs scum, not a town vs town or a scum vs scum?

did not care for their debate
also i meant at least one of oops
their stances and wishiwashyness on the zombeh wagon is so shit
especially tn who joined the wagon for shit reasons and then attacked me for pushing it

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im all about this wagon yo
so telling based on the way people are going about it
whether they join it or not, and why
yet pasch is just acting like we get zero from lynching zombeh
when its probably the most telling lynch we could get right now
and i dont like that

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We need to stop fuelling the discussion of the lurker lynch. Either we do it, or we shut up about it and focus on real hunting.
I will not comment on this anymore unless specifically asked to.

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because debating about theory is a good screen for scum to lurk through
when that starts to happen the arguments dont become about the game itself but rather the ideal way to play the game and it stops becoming critical of the players do u understand me

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you either want to lynch someone who is lurking or you dont and if the lynch goes through and you didnt support a lurker lynch then you bite your tongue because going after lurkers in this game is probably one of the best things we can do considering the assumption that scum will NK an active townie which will leave us two active townies down when we have like 4 of them (you me eyestott pasch) and that will create an extremely apathetic game

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until then we just gotta wait for the mod to do his job and get replacements for like half the playerlist come a week from now.
its probably the sorry truth at this point but its whats gonna happen
ika is off V/LA and still hasnt made an attempt to post and that really annoys me

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@MOD: requesting a prod on everyone who hasnt posted in at least two days, informal or not

this game needs fucking activity from the entire playerlist and likely scenario is they just havent even checked the thread so the mod is our best bet of getting them in here

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do you really think i'd let a zombehs lynch happen so fast
do you rreally think i would cut the day super short when half the playerlist hasnt posted outside RVS with any meaningful content
its hurtful you think i would be so impulsive

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this game has gone on for 8 days and some people in this thread havent posted for 5 days and others (ika) were the first to confirm and havent posted since

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FT how did you feel about Ghost's post about pasch?

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honestly the best way to kickstart the game again is to lynch someone
and the reason that its the best way is because the game died after people said we shouldnt lynch now

oh the irony

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if we had to lynch purely from lurkers then id go
Zombehs>MTD>FuD>Dino>Ghostlin>Four

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im almost 100 posts and there are people who have less than 10 posts in this game

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correct that to 4 people with less than 8 posts

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You're a spamposter though so you've got 50 posts of content at best.

with the amount of people who agree with me it must be at least 80 posts of content

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ika has made only one post nd that was a confirm post which is vry hard to get reads off of
therefore ika has no place in that list but ika needs to post more

also i swear to god pasch i hope you are just super horribly misguided and not scum with those attacks
please i honestly want you to tell me why im scum for pushing a lynch with my heart and soul when nobody else is pushing any other wagons with any sort of gusto other than saying i want them lynched and everyone else who is on the zombeh wagon sheeped me on to it

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do you really think i'd let a zombehs lynch happen so fast
do you rreally think i would cut the day super short when half the playerlist hasnt posted outside RVS with any meaningful content
its hurtful you think i would be so impulsive

You've certainly been arguing in favor of these things and calling me scum for opposing you doing them. So yes, I do think those things.

if we had to lynch purely from lurkers then id go
Zombehs>MTD>FuD>Dino>Ghostlin>Four

Definitely interesting that you leave Metal Sonic out of that list. Was all of this just an attempt to diffuse the wagon there?

Ika isnt on the list either. I dont think that scum Om would so blantantly omit scumbuddies.

i dont think scum om would blatantly lead the town and be the only one producing content that people actually discuss when i could just up and lurk and nobody would be any wiser about it

im sorry but it rlly annoys me when people are being so stupidly paranoid just because im the only one actually doing things around here
eyestott may seem like hes doing stuff but a lot of his posts are him agreeing with me and discussing theory
pasch is just putting suspicion on me for the stupidest reasons and arguing against lurker lynches
tn is literally floating on a fence because he's doing all of the above and being all round unmemorable in anything he's said

i want solid good reasons for a push on metal sonic taking aside the townblock argument because literally that can be chalked up to his style of play without a doubt

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if you're gonna fucking call me scum for pushing a lynch on zombeh because oh no zombeh is a newb or oh no zombeh is a lurker then fucking just vote me and push for my lynch dont just fricking dilly dally around these accusations i literally couldnt give a shit about that even if i tried

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be the change you want to see in the world or some shit like that
dont like a lurker lynch then push another lynch
dont like a newb lynch then push another lynch
dont like a lynch on someone you are reading as town then push another lynch
end of argument
you guys are doing jack shit about being on the metal sonic wagon and instead you are pushing me without putting your money where your mouth is

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im not saying you're scum for it
thats not the point of that post
but my personal opinion is that i dont think you are def town yet

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i am however extremely willing to work with you because im confident enough in my townread of you to reach that point
and also because you are the second most active poster and therefore easy to bounce ideas off of
i just wish everyone would stop agreeing with me so much
i dont want to be the singular voice of reason for this entire mafia game
because if i was scum that would be extremely dangerous for town

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ofc i love to be agreed with
but i dont like how town collectively is letting themselves be put into a situation that from their point of view could be extremely damaging if i was scum
this game is apathetic to the point where people are either with me or against me right now
and i dont want to be the pinnacle of most of the game's content
because if i get night killed N1 this game will go nowhere after

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ey guys ika posted on site a minute ago keep that in mind

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i could care less if you are lazy with reasons for reads at first but i dont want you being lazy in general as the game goes on because this game is already lacking in enthusiasm from half the playerlist you dont need to add to the issue

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mate
you explicitly said you want to be lazy
and im asking you not to
ive never played with you before so i wouldnt know
get your misplaced anger and put it into pushing a player who you think is scum

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ika for the love of god
i am not calling you lazy
stop taking this as a personal attack
you said in your post you wanted to be lazy
and i just said i didnt want you to be


VOTE: Ghostlin
im curious as to this then ika help me with this i wanna see what it leads to

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also why is pasch scum over tn

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tbh i think tn is one of the more wishy washy players and just all around unmemorable this game which doesnt give off great vibes to me but i get what u r trying to say so ill roll with u for now

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i want to see where it leads
i also think his gun census result is extremely overdue and ika posting that reminded me of it

MTD FuD are next though

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ok great thats rlly all i wanted from u right now tbh
i expect a census before a lynch tho

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MTD

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o whoops i must have missed his v/la post among the mess that is literally anyone else right now who is even moderately active
i've gotten too accustomed to not seeing him, zombeh or fud post much at all
VOTE: FuD
there

PEDIT: I like a gut scum read on Pasch too, but i feel like pasch is just way too misguided but strong in his beliefs to be scum do u get what i mean
i think he's very wrong in his beliefs but i like the fact that he hasnt backed down from the read on me despite only having one other person actually actively agreeing with him

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also ftr Fu is not using his vote at all bc right now its parked on me and he hasnt said anything about me since RVS when he actually put it on me

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i feel like there is a potential for a four man townblock here but idk if anyone else is as confident as myself in those reads

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I have missed too much to completely catch up, but I will comment on the lynch all lurkers discussion going on now.

I used to see it as a big scum tell, and as much as I disagree with it, it is a null tell at best. Those fighting back against those who want to lynch all lurkers are more likely to be scum.

Always a scum tactic of mine to defend lurkers. I will have to iso those who are doing this to see if there is something there.

the most recent thing he said
no follow up
no solid names
just a catch all post with no real meat to it

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I'm pretty confident Om and eye are town.

im confident in u town but im still slightly weary of eye bc of the consistent sheeping as i said earlier
what is ur opinion on that

PEDIT: which post was that that was Fu's great post

[Om of the Nom]

Ghosty, why the hate on sonic?

Flubbs, still love your avatar.

this is the only other non-rvs game relevant thing he actually said and it says nothing telling about anyone again

i think he's coasting through all this

[Om of the Nom]

i think being intentionally expletive in every post to illicit reactions doesnt work as well as you think it does
choose your times to play the cursing card and you might get better reactions out of it

PEDIT:
nicknames would b a nulltell if anything tbh
i mean
fud put a vote on me based on somethign that happened 3 years ago last month
and he hasnt expressed explicit suspicion on anyone
but he expressed a blanket suspicion on people opposing lurker lynches
which kinda also correlates to him suspecting some lurkers when you think about it (because why else would they defend lurkers if not for buddies do u get me)
and no names in any of that
so i think he's set himself up to come in at any time and suspect anyone who follows in line with that reason for suspicion

[Om of the Nom]

i think consistently displaying wrong emotions isnt necessarily a scumtell tho
ghostlin has been like that in every single post he's made and it kinda checks out with the playing like that deliberately thing hes mentioned

[Om of the Nom]

ok great thanks
i still think mtd could very well be scum tho but yea vla means no point in putting votes on right now
do u get anything from reading mtd's iso

[Om of the Nom]

i honestly dont see how pushing someone i think is scum is making a bad choice when i cant honestly say what is truly the game winning move because i only know my own role as a townie
bad choices and mistakes cant be qualified when nohing has happened to change the gamestate in a permanent way
you are acting like every single lurker is only guilty of being a lurker when there is legitimate scumminess to their posts
and rather than even bothering to really ask why you just throw away the reads as meaningless

also scum om would totally take advantage of the lurking environment easy peasy

most of your play this game has been dedicated to theory discussions and trying to dismantle my posts and arguments and i dont see a pro-town motivation in doing those things exclusively when you arent explicitly scumreading me
i want to see you push lynches instead
you claim you are trying to take the game away from a lurker killing game but all you are doing is throwing dirt on an active player you dont believe is truly scum

[Om of the Nom]

ika has made only one post nd that was a confirm post which is vry hard to get reads off of
therefore ika has no place in that list but ika needs to post more

also i swear to god pasch i hope you are just super horribly misguided and not scum with those attacks
please i honestly want you to tell me why im scum for pushing a lynch with my heart and soul when nobody else is pushing any other wagons with any sort of gusto other than saying i want them lynched and everyone else who is on the zombeh wagon sheeped me on to it

I'm mostly just saying you're making bad choices. I'm also saying that you're making arguments that damage your credibility.

if you're gonna fucking call me scum for pushing a lynch on zombeh because oh no zombeh is a newb or oh no zombeh is a lurker then fucking just vote me and push for my lynch dont just fricking dilly dally around these accusations i literally couldnt give a shit about that even if i tried

I'm not calling you scum yet. But if I do, it will because of the poor choices you're making, and the anti-town consequences of following them.

like seriously
what are the right choices
you are leading a tirade against me
i know im town
so in my point of view you are making the wrong choices
you have made zero attempts to push anyone else

[Om of the Nom]

i want you to tell me who is the best lynch today
i want you to tell me why
i want you to say to me that you think they are scum rather than you just suspect them a little
you are edging on a scumread on me
and you arent doing anything about it
you have zero explicit scumreads that are actually posting
so who is the lurker hunter now
sonic is being replaced, you wont get anything out of him
until he gets replaced your vote is better off on literally anyone else

[Om of the Nom]

i think this game is getting to me
im gonna go play smash

[Om of the Nom]

get on fud instead mate

[Om of the Nom]

myself four ika and flub
potential to switch you for flub but thats roughly it

[Om of the Nom]

not rlly
but i just dont like it
i am the lone wolf man
not used to having followers

[Om of the Nom]

myself four ika and flub
potential to switch you for flub but thats roughly it

Why is flub weaker than ika?

ika jumped up to a near-confirmed town read when he actually started posting

[Om of the Nom]

but he isnt being lazy
it was just a desire
take a loook at ika's posts past that

[Om of the Nom]

First post of the year fuckers

"January 2nd 8:44AM"

[Om of the Nom]

I want to lolwagon fu but I don't like this whole townbloc thing or the om following

the townbloc happened fairly naturally but following me blindly is suspicious i would appreciate you coming up with more than just sheeping in your reasons and the same goes for everyone really

[Om of the Nom]

thats ok
i can accept that easily

[Om of the Nom]

Upon further reflection, I think Om genuinely is my top scumread right now. Actively trying to prevent the town from using any kind of deductive skills and giving scum a free day? Yeah, that's pretty scummy. Imagine if we had done what she wanted? We'd have some random person dead right now and basically no information from the wagon to analyze. We'd be starting day 2 with a pair of dead town (unless we got really lucky, but who the hell wants to count on that?) and being basically back at RVS, since the lynch would have been solely based on policy and not content. What would we do then, lynch another lurker? This whole notion relies on the misguided idea that somehow scum are just going to lurk. That's absurd. People ignore games for many different reasons and it's seldom alignment indicative. There is absolutely no reason to think that we'd hit a scum with such a random shot. Compounding this is that Om apparently feels qualified to rank the lurkers despite their lack of content, and makes the assumption that someone who isn't active right now will continue to do that a month from now. There's just too many unfounded assumptions and assertions for this to fly. It's a tactical choice, and one that benefits scum a lot more than town.

VOTE: Om

this whole case is correlation implying causation nd slippery slope arguments
you call me out on unfounded assumptions but 6 (yes 6) lines of this case is literally hypotheticals that cannot be determined and havent even played out anything like what you said

[Om of the Nom]

like
pasch
provide examples pls
tell me where i tried to push a lurker lynch to completion so early in the day
tell me where i didnt say i didnt want a lynch so soon
tell me where i said i honestly wanted zombeh dead so much that i would have cut the day short just because i was that dead certain
and tell me where everyone else literally jumped on the wagon i was pushing without a second thought

you are attacking me for pushing a wagon to completion when half the wagon's occupants never even said much in the way of new things
please
for the love of god
explain to me why they are getting a free pass for sheeping and im the one under attack for making the effort to push

[Om of the Nom]

i was never expecting the zombeh lynch to happen so soon
heck, i wasnt expecting it to even be the lynch that goes through on day 1
but i was pushing a new avenue that nobody else was doing
because everyone else was too busy arguing about theory and letting scum lurk through
zombeh is still a massive lurkerfuck
zombeh still has a chance to be scum
but do you honestly think i was as confident in that read as what i was protraying? (protip: answer no)

[Om of the Nom]

but praise the lord guys pasch is finally actually trying to push something instead of beating around the bush like a scum testing waters

[Om of the Nom]

say that to the hypotheticals presented by pasch
please honestly go over his case and tell me what you think

[Om of the Nom]

k ika
VOTE: Dino

[Om of the Nom]

im all for putting pressure on different players

plus he actually asked me to join him

[Om of the Nom]

i mean dino is also overdue for a prod by now actually

[Om of the Nom]

zombehs siteflaked
he hasnt logged in for over a week

[Om of the Nom]

He declared LA across the board it seems but this is still the only game he isnt posting in

[Om of the Nom]

its not opportunist when i was asked how do you not understand this basic fact

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ika how do you think ghostlin's census works out in terms of scum?
do you think its just one third party
do you think its a one man scum and a traitor
or do you think he's lying

(survivors or other non-gun 3p roles can be littered throughout)

[Om of the Nom]

im going under the assumption that any mafia role has a gun because of factional kills
sk's should count as guns too??

[Om of the Nom]

i think role implications cant be trusted due to the non-normal claims made by the mod
role claims can be trusted to be true but the roles that counter them cant be hypothesized to be included do u get me

[Om of the Nom]

that is it basically
i dont see what is guaranteed beyond the assumptions of truth in player's claims

[Om of the Nom]

Also my brain has been full of actual wine a lot lately.

this explains so much

[Om of the Nom]

i will sheep om

VOTE: mathdino

wait wrong sheep

UNVOTE:
VOTE: zombehs

@mod: I second making deadline 2 weeks.

you know this looks extremely contrived

im rlly sold on the dino read now tbh

[Om of the Nom]

I'm not defending him. I'm debating the merits of the push. It seems to me that scum would leap on a poorly justified push like this.

seems to me that scum jump on everything according to you
stop trying to go against the grain
sometimes you have to succumb to the pressures of town

[Om of the Nom]

hard defending every lynch choice is not a good way to garner townreads if thats what ur after

[Om of the Nom]

yes i am a faction all by myself it is called the OM faction because I am just that special and all we do in this faction is talk about how great OM is and how OM should be ruler of MS

no
get the fuck onto a wagon that will go somewhere instead of defending every single one that does

[Om of the Nom]

is it illegal to post other ppl's role pms

[Om of the Nom]

bc thats what just totally happened

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i dont care at this point to get you to agree with me because you are clearly against me
trying to get you to see me as town is just a waste of time an effort

[Om of the Nom]

if the replacements cant do the trick id suggest a lynch
id be up for lynching mathdino, zombehs, fuduzn or pasch right now tbh
i want everyone else's options too

[Om of the Nom]

still doesnt change much in my mind tbh

[Om of the Nom]

How about "why isn't everyone sheeping Pasch when he's obviously right?"

how about "why havent you responded to ohms rebuttal yet?"

What rebuttal? Keep mind, a rebuttal is a well founded argument, not just deflection or nonsense. Om has yet to do anything other than ask me to quote her not saying things. That's not a rebuttal.

Hey, why are you defending Om so hard? See? I can pull that one, too.

i said provide examples and you have failed to do so
as far as im concerned you are pulling things out of ur ass

[Om of the Nom]

VOTE: Om

Based on this page alone, Pasch gets a sheep.

this entrance makes me feel worse about the zombeh slot
do u guys think its possible zombeh was a 3rd party and got extremely demotivated by lack of allies bc thats a possibility im entertaining a lot right now

[Om of the Nom]

also ftr titus put a vote down on me so i can say with certainty that her only read in this game is wrong

[Om of the Nom]

So fat,
mathdino is town
Flubbererer is town
Om is town
Ika is town
Eyestott aint
VOTE: eyestott

i am so happy to see i wasnt wrong in townreading sonic


also my play this game is bad???
idk i thought it was pretty good i feel super insulted right now

[Om of the Nom]

pasch started his tirade by not agreeing with me on zombeh-scum
and somewhere down the line he turned it into zombeh=policy lynch
when i was clearly advocating zombeh as a scum lynch, with still some utility even if town bc got rid of a questionable player
now that titus is here and producing a lot of controversy in the thread and sparking action a lynch on that slot is less effective


with all the people posting now a lynch on an active slot wouldnt be damning
but at the time when i made the zombeh argument only about 5 people were regularly posting
and i dont understand why pasch was forcing himself to choose scum out of those 5 people
and i also dont understand why he thinks im not analyzing content
ive been scumhunting the whole game
i just got a little lazy as of late because everyone is taking care of this fight for me

[Om of the Nom]

pasch started his tirade by not agreeing with me on zombeh-scum
and somewhere down the line he turned it into zombeh=policy lynch
when i was clearly advocating zombeh as a scum lynch, with still some utility even if town bc got rid of a questionable player
now that titus is here and producing a lot of controversy in the thread and sparking action a lynch on that slot is less effective


with all the people posting now a lynch on an active slot wouldnt be damning
but at the time when i made the zombeh argument only about 5 people were regularly posting
and i dont understand why pasch was forcing himself to choose scum out of those 5 people
and i also dont understand why he thinks im not analyzing content
ive been scumhunting the whole game
i just got a little lazy as of late because everyone is taking care of this fight for me

[Om of the Nom]

Why do you think Om is not active? He is to me.

The Om focus is to generate conflict and force people to take sides and make reads easier. I could have focused on anyone but getting details from Pasch helps me read both.

Why do you not want to discuss Om? What is your read on him?

i want you to discuss me too
dont think that because you brought the conflict to its highest point you get to skate on by without anything other than a sheep

[Om of the Nom]

i think this argument would have more basis if its about how ive been getting increasingly arrogant and comfortable with my position in the town
because that is whats happenign right now

[Om of the Nom]

ok so
that does nothing to what i asked you to do
basing your read on me entirely on pasch's actions is a surefire way to get the read wrong, especially when he's tunneling, therefore super convinced that im scum

give me your own reasons for calling me scum
you said you are caught up there has to be more otherwise you shouldnt be on the wagon

[Om of the Nom]

i mean the only opinion you have given right now is a sheep
you havent given opinions on anyone else in the game
in fact you havent even given an opinion on pasch
the argument shouldnt just be about my alignment and play
it goes deeper than that

[Om of the Nom]

and
that says nothing
about why
i know you felt it was off
but why??????

[Om of the Nom]

also you admitted yourself that it was entirely out of context
and you have done zero to remedy that

[Om of the Nom]

Titus is stupid but town.

rlly not sure on that tho
cn u explain

[Om of the Nom]

the case on zombeh was not founded on lurking and the more you continue to make it like that the less people are going to listen to you pasch
you are summing up my entire case as a policy lynch when clearly you havent read anything ive actually said about zombeh

titus tho
she doesnt feel like the titus ive played with before
there is a lack of content in what she is saying and zero conviction in pushes
i do not believe she really thinks i am scum at this point but she hasn't done anything else

[Om of the Nom]

Om, what the hell in seven posts gives you that much of a case? The self-vote that was a new player giving up on a game they weren't ready for? You saw obviously newb actions and declared them scum. You had nothing to back it up. All you did was try to railroad a new player who clearly had no idea what they were doing. You had no case. You had an easy target that you tried to make a quick mislynch out of.

mate
key difference between townies and scum
is the idea of trying
especially early in the game
short of a really unfavourable town role
zombehs would have zero reason to give up so early as town
but he did
after such a small amount of pressure
and i want you to tell me why town would crack under that
rather than argue against it

[Om of the Nom]

i really dont fucking understand
why the heck you come up with the assertion that new players are infallible
otherwise literally the only people who would roll scum in newbie games would be IC's and SE's

newbs can be scum
end of fucking argument
i am not pushing policy lynches on that basis
i am pushing scum lynches

[Om of the Nom]

you have failed to fucking tell me why he is town
instead you resort to shitty buzzwords (lurker and policy and newb)
you argue that he is just new
new could mean either
so therefore you have no reason to think it's on a townie without a doubt
easy targets dont just mean town
scum can be super shit too

[Om of the Nom]

Why do you think Om is not active? He is to me.

The Om focus is to generate conflict and force people to take sides and make reads easier. I could have focused on anyone but getting details from Pasch helps me read both.

Why do you not want to discuss Om? What is your read on him?

Sorry, the other active players.
I never said I didnt want to discuss Om.

I'm not sure on my Om read anymore.
Ill have another look at the case on him, then ill make a decision.

you are making me so much happier with random's vote
at the height of the argument you change your views without reason
now that the tables are beginning to turn so do you

[Om of the Nom]

you are either way at this point, but im enjoying the idea of scum you more and more
flubber is town
four is town
fud is a lurkershit
ghostlin is town
ika is town
dino could still be scum prolly more than the rest of the lurkers
mtd is a lurkerfuck
pasch is extremely controversial and obv bc hes against me i want to call him scum but im not sure on that based on his insistence
random is town
titus is scum
tn is likely town

[Om of the Nom]

at this point they have lurked to the point of null
i think you are gonna say town
but
i still think you are super shady

[Om of the Nom]

who's GUS
ahahahahaha

no but
omgus isnt a great tell

[Om of the Nom]

ghostlin could b seeing me as town
not sure on it tho
math is scummier than the others largely in part due to my trust in early game reads which in the past have always been more accurate than my later D1 reads, and the activity elsewhere doesnt help
I think mtd has siteflaked too, and fud is just absent as shit and i dont know why

omgus is a lame tell
i am not a fan of using it
but could care less if others do
its not an argument thats gonna change my mind

[Om of the Nom]

at this point tho
i am just fuckign sick of lurkers in this game
everyone needs to post often enough to be read by everyone
because as pasch seems to think its impossible for ppl to be read with less than 8 posts it would benefit him for sure :P

[Om of the Nom]

explain the scumread on zombeh then?

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also i have never been confident in my townread of u

[Om of the Nom]

ive been townreading flubber since his entrance into the game


i mean
its easy to quote posts based on the recent pages and make those assumptions
but you act like these reads are sudden and undeveloped

[Om of the Nom]

idk man

ive literally been townreading most of these players since as soon as they got into the game
the only person who took a bit to get a townread on was tn and ghost

PEDIT:
that doesnt explain why i called zombehs scum when he never said anything about me using that theory

[Om of the Nom]

but now we are here


also hey
hey guys
i have a niggling suspicion that mathdino is scum
just a niggling gut read
but im not gonna vote on it until the mod actually comes in and confirms daystart

(niggling is such a great word)

i mean the first time dino posted about me was after this post for example

ill find other quotes too

[Om of the Nom]

ok guys lets get more activity pls
mathdino is scum
fuduzn and/or zombeh could be scum with him
flubber is def town
ghostlin could very well be town
eyestott is not town due to roleclaim, judge him on his play (ftr im null leaning town on him)

sonic i want your opinions on these

i want this to come into play
bc you are misrepping

[Om of the Nom]

i dont like how you shift the onus of similar reads on to me when it could very well be the others
i have been solid with my reads throughout the game and have never not made them clear???

PEDIT:
you were super confident in ur read of me to the point of sheeping me and i was actively against the thought of you being town and sheeping so bad

[Om of the Nom]

I mean i also defended the very early sonic wagon bc i thought sonic was town so random makes little difference but to strengthen my read

PEDIT:
well
tell me where my reads have changed to support the fact that im changing them
bc right now the only person that could fit on is u

[Om of the Nom]

if you take one post out of the entire game towards the end of the thread
and then cross reference it
its definitely not unlikely to have mostly similar reads
my reads have barely changed since before i was being heavily defended by most of the town
their townreads mean nothing on me

[Om of the Nom]

im not saying everyone is
im saying its jumping the gun to say its just me

[Om of the Nom]

im not saying you're scum for it
thats not the point of that post
but my personal opinion is that i dont think you are def town yet

Given how early the game is, I'd be surprised if anyone did think anyone was definitely town.
Youre one of my strongest townreads, but im far from certain.
P.Edit: Im agreeing with you, not because I think youre town, but because I genuinely share your opinions.
You can see that from where youve asked me questions, then agreed with my answers.

this is what i mean
you are towning me to the ppoint of actively sheeping and im questioning ur motives

[Om of the Nom]

and now as i said
in the height of the moment
you change your read as fast as light

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i have never been explicitly willing to put you in townblocks because i have never read you that much as town
i have people i am 100% confident in townreads in
those people are ika four and flubber
everyone else is just a milder degree of town

[Om of the Nom]

you are making a case to slander my name in the thread why the fuck would you do that if you dont think im scum

like
thats so fucking counterproductive

[Om of the Nom]

if you are town and you are reading me as town you dont need to add to the firepower that is the growing call for my lynch from titus and pasch

[Om of the Nom]

i like to be called town
i favour people who call me town more and vice versa for scum
but acting like that is the sole reason im calling them town or scum
is a massive fucking misrep

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majority of the reason i called random town anyway was because he was trying to go down an avenue of pushing you over others

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i never said it was a big factor of my reads
it is a factor but it is overtaken by actual play of the person
this is not early game there is more to go off than just compliments and insults to sway me
i dont like to not be read as town
that is literally one of the things i hate having happen the most as town
literally in any game of mine if im being attacked i fucking go at it
idc if you even call it self meta its true as heck
i like to be thought of as obvious town no matter what
being right is only just behind in priority

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i like to feel like i am doing a good job at presenting myself
especially in games that arent larges because people are way more critical of my style outside of them
which is majorly shitty imo