NY 179: Cute and Fluffy Mafia (Town Win)

[The Dream Weaver]

VoteCount 1.9

Albert B. Rampage (0):

AlternateAccount (0):

d3x (0):

dragonspawn (1):

TheDudeAbides

Drake Crusader (0):

Dripping Goofball (0):

evilpacman18 (0):

firebound12 (3):

Dripping Goofball, I Am Innocent, randomidget

Flubbernugget(1):

Peacebringer

Garmr (1):

killapenwin

I Am Innocent (1):

Nero Cain

Kid A (0):

killapenwin (4):

d3x, NakedJogger, Garmr, dragonspawn

NakedJogger (0):

Nero Cain (0):

Peacebringer (0):

randomidget (0):

TheDudeAbides (5):

AlternateAccount, Kid A, Albert B. Rampage, Flubbernugget, YuniChikako

YuniChikako (0):

Not Voting

- Drake Crusader, evilpacman18, firebound12

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-01-23 13:00:00)

Kid A has been prodded.

[TheDudeAbides]

DGB hasn't moved her vote either.

I can't fathom why you would use the actions of DGB as a barometer for yours.

More aggressive play so we could end it sooner.

LOL Flubber, LOL.

I have something to say to d3x, but it's best to leave it to after the game, I think. However, d3x is very obviously town and is never to be lynched.

Take off your blinders dude, dragon is town.

I really don't see town failing to correct themselves on the buddying, buddies with error after the first time. It just looks like scum fucking with people's comprehension of the game.

kpwn is a fine wagon.

I'm sensing this lynch isn't going down
UNVOTE:
VOTE: firebound
Bc wagon

Why not kpwn?

Oh, and by the way... if pen is Scum, so is midget.

Maybe. Him, kpwn, nero.

I'm not moving my vote until a better bandwagon reaches L-3.

^ probably scum.

I'm more inclined to believe tda is just a bad town player right now rather than scum. So leaving my vote on him at this point would be a policy lynch. And while I don't relish his game play lasting to later rounds, it seems prudent to me vote on a better scum choice.

VOTE: killpen

I'm starting to think iai is more town now.

I would like you to carefully explain this vote.

[TheDudeAbides]

Not because I disagree with the vote, mind you. I just want to see some sort of reasoning from you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not moving my vote until a better bandwagon reaches L-3.

Abr I remember when I first played with you you were really pro active did something happen between now and a 1 years ago?

This game is boring because we're not lynching anybody.

[killapenwin]

460

@ d3x: You are not the only one that has IRL commitments and truth be told, there isn't much of anything happening at all in this thread, all I seem to be seeing is TDA arguing with garmr with walls of text posts that no one except them are going to read.

I find it funny you talk of misrepresenting things and pick up on me saying I would hammer if needed and interestingly SUGGEST I meant quick lynch and yet you put my quote where I explained no intention of quick lynching? Curious.

467

I already said about garmr and ABR.

478
Garmr would you mind explaining to me the logic of trying to buddy up to someone who is so far ahead in votes their head is already on the chopping block under the guillotine? Then explain why it is scummy, too.

481
Didn't you lead a wagon on TDA for editing other peoples quotes in posts?

I hope these other guys who have started voting me begin explaining their votes otherwise they are going to have a bit of explaining to do when I flip town.

At least there is some actual game talk going on now that isn't just TDA/Garmr butting heads.

[PeaceBringer]

I could swing either way...

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm not moving my vote until a better bandwagon reaches L-3.

Abr I remember when I first played with you you were really pro active did something happen between now and a 1 years ago?

This game is boring because we're not lynching anybody.

We're lynching firebound. It would go faster if you helped.

[reinoe]

flubbernugget, yuni, Nero, and pacman.

Could you talk about these?

Yeah, flubber dropped a few early game scum tells, yuni for the whole fuss about not rvs'ing in her first post, nero was the weak opening post where he throws my name around, but doesn't vote for me (or anyone else despite being caught up). almost like he is waiting to see if someone else will take his bait. pacman's opening post and lack of a vote hasn't sat well with me.

holy **** those quoteception

really, this is all you have to add at this point?

I believe that's L-3 with 2 weeks left and 2 players that haven't posted even a single time.

While I think the outing of the Neighborhood was freaking stupid on Dude's behalf and Garmr should be ashamed for his part in it, I think the fallout points to TownDude. Scum would already know about the Hood if he was Scum. He'd have no reason to vomit that **** all over the thread.

Great point, d3x is town

If your assertion is that Dude is Scum... and he's

in

the Hood... well...?

You haven't caught on to my meaning have you. You are pushing the assertion that scum either had pregame chat or daytalk. It could be they didn't and his outing the neighborhood to his scum buddies so why the assumption they have day talk or pre game chat?

Can't remember a scum game I've ever played when I didn't have pre game chat.

That just doesn't track, man. I highly doubt the Neighborhood had pregame, but the Scum didn't. I also can't even remember a game where Scum didn't have pregame.

Yeah, definite town

Spoiler: @d3x

I believe that's L-3 with 2 weeks left and 2 players that haven't posted even a single time.

While I think the outing of the Neighborhood was freaking stupid on Dude's behalf and Garmr should be ashamed for his part in it, I think the fallout points to TownDude. Scum would already know about the Hood if he was Scum. He'd have no reason to vomit that shit all over the thread.

Scum cough up information when they feel pressured, as a distraction. Why would town vomit that **** all over the thread?

Welcome to my scum reads list.

@Jogger&Garmr- If he was legitimately getting DayVig'ed and felt that Nero was Scum based on interactions in the Hood, he'd want that info out there for Town. I don't agree with his assessment of what happened in the Hood, but I don't think he's misrep'ing it.

@Garmr- I just peeked at the QT and you guys actually did have pregame chat according to the time stamps. The QT was opened and you were welcomed by the Mod a day before she closed it for the start of D1 {which she announced}. According to the postgame, you didn't read your RolePM until halfway through D1. That doesn't mean you didn't have pregame, dude. That means you didn't read your RolePM; it was your choice to handicap yourself.

Yeah not liking the fact that Garmr is trying so hard to keep this wagon on TDA.

So TTA says that dragon is scum along with his RVS target, then dragon says something about buddying and things got repetitive and silly from there.

This was a lackluster, easy-to-blend-in-for-scum misunderstanding, and I hope someone cares to elaborate on what they found that was alignment-indicative about it and in what way.

Spoiler: @d3x

@Jogger&Garmr- If he was legitimately getting DayVig'ed and felt that Nero was Scum based on interactions in the Hood, he'd want that info out there for Town. I don't agree with his assessment of what happened in the Hood, but I don't think he's misrep'ing it.

That's a pretty far-fetched line of thought, which you could easily have confirmation or denial for if you'd ask him, which you didn't so..

VOTE: d3x

I'm ready to lynch this thing with fire.

******

pacman's 354 is better, but still don't like the lack of voting. Why no vote pacman?

And since u hinted me, how about explaining why?

For some reason I wasn't a big fan of 62.

Nice OMGUS on me. Thought I do like that Yuni read.

Well then you probably won't like that I have a town read on Yuni. Can't believe you drew scum twice in a row there, huh?

oh almost forgot, IAI wanted a vote so....

vote:IAI

Wasted vote noted.

*******

Not liking killapenwin's willingness to hammer if he has to, as he states in 360

Hows that lurking working out for you IAI?

I have literally norhing to comment on what is going on there is prob scum in the hood that isnt dex.

This is the part that makes me think TDA is town. Looks like he attacked D3x pregame in the neighborhood, meanwhile he started this game by attacking nero (trying to connect him with dragonspawn).

Why would scum in the neighborhood 1) attack his fellow neighborhooders & 2) want them lynched, which the quicker that happens the quicker it likely leads back to the scum in the neighborhood.

This TDA wagon is bad folks, the fact that a counterwagon hasn't sprung up, is further proof. Some teammate would be trying something...

See I was having a strong townread on IAI up to here. Even the noticing the fact that there's no counterwagon is good. Because that was niggling at the back of my mind. And then this happened...

Help me lynch the Dragon Spawn.

Take off your blinders dude, dragon is town.

7 votes still on thedudeabides... some things just do not change

This right here.

DGB hasn't moved her vote either.

That one vote on you is really bothering you, huh?

Why are you so lynch happy?

Game doesnt seem to be going anywhere

Pick one of Nero, firebound, and nakedjogger and let's get a flash wagon started. What do you say?

[/quote]
I don't know what to think about this deliberate call for a counterwagon. Nero is super-null. Firebound could be scum but could just as easily be confused newbie. Nakedjogger though...

IAI is a town read but if TDA flips scum IAI will be re-assessed.

[evilpacman18]

vote evilpackman-

we will probably get into it at one point or another unless he does not realize my alt...

Who is your alt? I know I've played with you before but I don't remember "getting into it"

Actually TDA's first post or two seemed really town to me and judging by the formation of this wagon by the fourth page it's probably scum led. Garmr's 96 has this

almost seems to scummy to be town but it is actually so scummy that it loops all the way back around to being scummy type thing going on.

I feel like he sensed that TDA talked enough to probably eventually shoot himself in the foot. Ignore my first post it was mostly for prod-dodging.
ABR's reads are horrible so that's even more confirmation that he's town. IAI seems town but that's weaker. The reason the VC looked like ABR was scum was because he seemed like a weak counterwagon to a wagon that from what I skimmed was more sure-fire than it is now that I've actually read. Again, it's best if you just ignore my first post. But I do think ABR is town, just not a counterwagon.

This is a surprisingly light on content game so far.
Looking at the VC I would guess Garmr and Kid A are scum on TDA's wagon. Switch ABR and Garmr and I'd be pretty happy with DGB's placement list.

oh a claim
ok.
idk why people fall for stupid fake dayvigs
I've played like 50+ games and never seen a dayvig.
d3x is super town
oh someone is voting d3x.
ok I'm caught up.

You confuzzled me with the bolded statement. I don't mind being scum read but only if someone has actual case that make sense. You are basically scum reading me for sheeping openly at the end of rvs/beginning of serious votes. Because I agreed with it and we had no other really stand out scummish things at the time? The way you word it ignores the fact I actually do question tda and have been one of the top pushers after I engaged in convo with him.

I do appreciate the compliment through about how you think I'm a genius and figured how things would turn out just from a couple of rvs posts. But that's simply not true unfortunately I just feel Tda is scum.

I didn't seem like you just felt TDA was scum, in fact it seemed pretty blatantly inauthentic, which is what pinged my scumdar. You hardly even attempted to indicate that you agreed with Alternate, just that you were sheeping. And I know you've played long enough that you know sheeping comes off as scummy so saying "I'm sheeping" seemed like it would be an attempt to look like bold town who doesn't care how people read him or something like that. You made the post more about your sheeping than the fact that you agree with Alt's reasoning, which seems off to me.

Alt: while I think it's probably kind of town that you think DGB's reads list doesn't seem legitimate, I don't think not interacting with someone means you can't have a read on them.
Also Alt seems to be town because he is frequently differentiating between disagreeing with someone and thinking they are scummy.

Frankly, TDA's overwhelming stream of consciousness posting style is very town and Garmr is really starting to force a wagon that pretty much should have already fallen apart. Still think Kid A and Garmr are the two most likely scum on the wagon, and they have surprisingly little interaction for being two of the wagon mainstays. Compare to the amount of interaction between Garmr and Alt for instance.
IAI is town, yeah.

I'll have to go reread firebound.

Just saw "why no vote pacman?"
I don't vote until I would be comfortable with that person being dead and the day ending usually. I'm still forming opinions.

[AlternateAccount]

flubbernugget, yuni, Nero, and pacman.

Could you talk about these?

Yeah, flubber dropped a few early game scum tells, yuni for the whole fuss about not rvs'ing in her first post, nero was the weak opening post where he throws my name around, but doesn't vote for me (or anyone else despite being caught up). almost like he is waiting to see if someone else will take his bait. pacman's opening post and lack of a vote hasn't sat well with me.

holy **** those quoteception

really, this is all you have to add at this point?

I believe that's L-3 with 2 weeks left and 2 players that haven't posted even a single time.

While I think the outing of the Neighborhood was freaking stupid on Dude's behalf and Garmr should be ashamed for his part in it, I think the fallout points to TownDude. Scum would already know about the Hood if he was Scum. He'd have no reason to vomit that **** all over the thread.

Great point, d3x is town

If your assertion is that Dude is Scum... and he's

in

the Hood... well...?

You haven't caught on to my meaning have you. You are pushing the assertion that scum either had pregame chat or daytalk. It could be they didn't and his outing the neighborhood to his scum buddies so why the assumption they have day talk or pre game chat?

Can't remember a scum game I've ever played when I didn't have pre game chat.

That just doesn't track, man. I highly doubt the Neighborhood had pregame, but the Scum didn't. I also can't even remember a game where Scum didn't have pregame.

Yeah, definite town

Spoiler: @d3x

I believe that's L-3 with 2 weeks left and 2 players that haven't posted even a single time.

While I think the outing of the Neighborhood was freaking stupid on Dude's behalf and Garmr should be ashamed for his part in it, I think the fallout points to TownDude. Scum would already know about the Hood if he was Scum. He'd have no reason to vomit that shit all over the thread.

Scum cough up information when they feel pressured, as a distraction. Why would town vomit that **** all over the thread?

Welcome to my scum reads list.

@Jogger&Garmr- If he was legitimately getting DayVig'ed and felt that Nero was Scum based on interactions in the Hood, he'd want that info out there for Town. I don't agree with his assessment of what happened in the Hood, but I don't think he's misrep'ing it.

@Garmr- I just peeked at the QT and you guys actually did have pregame chat according to the time stamps. The QT was opened and you were welcomed by the Mod a day before she closed it for the start of D1 {which she announced}. According to the postgame, you didn't read your RolePM until halfway through D1. That doesn't mean you didn't have pregame, dude. That means you didn't read your RolePM; it was your choice to handicap yourself.

Yeah not liking the fact that Garmr is trying so hard to keep this wagon on TDA.

So TTA says that dragon is scum along with his RVS target, then dragon says something about buddying and things got repetitive and silly from there.

This was a lackluster, easy-to-blend-in-for-scum misunderstanding, and I hope someone cares to elaborate on what they found that was alignment-indicative about it and in what way.

Spoiler: @d3x

@Jogger&Garmr- If he was legitimately getting DayVig'ed and felt that Nero was Scum based on interactions in the Hood, he'd want that info out there for Town. I don't agree with his assessment of what happened in the Hood, but I don't think he's misrep'ing it.

That's a pretty far-fetched line of thought, which you could easily have confirmation or denial for if you'd ask him, which you didn't so..

VOTE: d3x

I'm ready to lynch this thing with fire.

******

pacman's 354 is better, but still don't like the lack of voting. Why no vote pacman?

And since u hinted me, how about explaining why?

For some reason I wasn't a big fan of 62.

Nice OMGUS on me. Thought I do like that Yuni read.

Well then you probably won't like that I have a town read on Yuni. Can't believe you drew scum twice in a row there, huh?

oh almost forgot, IAI wanted a vote so....

vote:IAI

Wasted vote noted.

*******

Not liking killapenwin's willingness to hammer if he has to, as he states in 360

Hows that lurking working out for you IAI?

I have literally norhing to comment on what is going on there is prob scum in the hood that isnt dex.

This is the part that makes me think TDA is town. Looks like he attacked D3x pregame in the neighborhood, meanwhile he started this game by attacking nero (trying to connect him with dragonspawn).

Why would scum in the neighborhood 1) attack his fellow neighborhooders & 2) want them lynched, which the quicker that happens the quicker it likely leads back to the scum in the neighborhood.

This TDA wagon is bad folks, the fact that a counterwagon hasn't sprung up, is further proof. Some teammate would be trying something...

See I was having a strong townread on IAI up to here. Even the noticing the fact that there's no counterwagon is good. Because that was niggling at the back of my mind. And then this happened...

Help me lynch the Dragon Spawn.

Take off your blinders dude, dragon is town.

7 votes still on thedudeabides... some things just do not change

This right here.

DGB hasn't moved her vote either.

That one vote on you is really bothering you, huh?

Why are you so lynch happy?

Game doesnt seem to be going anywhere

Pick one of Nero, firebound, and nakedjogger and let's get a flash wagon started. What do you say?

I don't know what to think about this deliberate call for a counterwagon. Nero is super-null. Firebound could be scum but could just as easily be confused newbie. Nakedjogger though...

IAI is a town read but if TDA flips scum IAI will be re-assessed.

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[evilpacman18]

oh I get it

[Garmr]

460

@ d3x: You are not the only one that has IRL commitments and truth be told, there isn't much of anything happening at all in this thread, all I seem to be seeing is TDA arguing with garmr with walls of text posts that no one except them are going to read.

I find it funny you talk of misrepresenting things and pick up on me saying I would hammer if needed and interestingly SUGGEST I meant quick lynch and yet you put my quote where I explained no intention of quick lynching? Curious.

467

I already said about garmr and ABR.

478
Garmr would you mind explaining to me the logic of trying to buddy up to someone who is so far ahead in votes their head is already on the chopping block under the guillotine? Then explain why it is scummy, too.

481
Didn't you lead a wagon on TDA for editing other peoples quotes in posts?

I hope these other guys who have started voting me begin explaining their votes otherwise they are going to have a bit of explaining to do when I flip town.

At least there is some actual game talk going on now that isn't just TDA/Garmr butting heads.

Well buddying is trying to win the person over emotionally and being a kiss ass it's a very common scum tell your going to have to get to know http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Buddying The tda wagon was/still is falling apart and if you got him while he was emotionally fragile well you get the jist. This was scum motivated buddying because you were pushing a victim complex onto him Examples.

you have every right to defend yourself and I know if I had 5-6 people voting me for a reason I didn't agree with that I wouldn't let it drop either.

My problem with Garmr is that I don't really like his interaction with you, he just seems to have been antagonising and baiting you into making yourself look bad

These all are directed at him to make him like he didn't deserve any of it and like I said brown noseing.

481
Didn't you lead a wagon on TDA for editing other peoples quotes in posts?

Because editing a post for a joke is the exact same thing as doing a hackjob to misrepresent one and push it as a case deerrrpp.
(^That's sarcasm )

[Garmr]

Basically killapenwin is using feminist tactics.

[Garmr]

I should probably come up with another phrase other than feminist tactics but it's the only other place I seen it.

But it's basically where you keep someone feeling like a victim to exploit them for your personal gain/agenda/movement.

That's what kilapen was/is doing to tda

[d3x]

@ d3x: You are not the only one that has IRL commitments and truth be told, there isn't much of anything happening at all in this thread

Point to where I've attacked you due to your posting frequency. Hint- I haven't.

all I seem to be seeing is TDA arguing with garmr with walls of text posts that no one except them are going to read.

Why are you saying this to me? Where have I indicated that any of this has any bearing on my Read of you?

I find it funny you talk of misrepresenting things

Why aren't you denying my accusations that you're mischaracterizing my posts? Does that mean that you're admitting it?

{you}

pick up on me saying I would hammer if needed and interestingly SUGGEST I meant quick lynch and yet you put my quote where I explained no intention of quick lynching? Curious.

Point to where I'm accusing you of wanting a quick Lynch. Hint- I didn't. I said you were willing to Hammer early without developing a Read on the Wagonee. Hammering early and Quick Lynching are two

very

different things. Throw in a super early willingness to Hammer someone you're Null about without trying to develop the Read and you have an easy-bake recipe for Scum.

All told, you haven't refuted a single point of my case against you. You haven't argued that it's without merit. You've moved on to Strawman'ing, but the funny thing is, you're defeating points that I'm not saying about you. And you're doing it poorly.

@all- Seriously, how does pen not have more Votes?

side note... Holy shit! Pacman, you live in Glendora? I'm in Burbank!

[d3x]

I have something to say to d3x, but it's best to leave it to after the game, I think. However, d3x is very obviously town and is never to be lynched.

Tell me in the Hood or I name thee a knave.

kpwn is a fine wagon.

Then join us, you're wasting your Vote over there.

[The Dream Weaver]

YuniChikako has been prodded.

[Nero Cain]

IAI-I have a serious question. Do you think that Dudes reasoning to suspect DX was good?

No it sucked, and it is not the reason I suspect u. But it's the motivation that I'm focusing on. Scum TDA should have zero motivation to go after his town neighbors.

Then I look at you and dex, and you two are going after non neighbors, which is what I'd expect out of scum. The fact that dex has come off as more townie, trying to stop the TDA wagon, and you semi coming after what I know to be a townie (me) has me suspecting that you are the scum in the neighborhood.

I'm a little confused then.

This makes alot of sense (scum nero buddying to town d3X) based on a game I can't quite talk about yet.

Here you agree that I'm buddying. TDA's "case" on me is that b/c I agree'd that scum do use out of game reasoning to lurk or whatever that I should have pounced on D3X. How exactly is that buddying as opposed to just you know? Thinking the reasons suck?

While I can understand that paranoia says there's once scum in the hood there's NOT always one scum in the hood.

But if we are going t talk about each others scum tendencies: I've pegged you twice for sheeping/shadowing posts wich is exactly what you are doing here.

[Nero Cain]

@Ren-or IAI is defending town TDA. I mean I do (kinda) like his "TDA is town 'cause no CW" thing but that's pretty much all.

@IAI-What was your reasoning to call me scum in 150?

[I Am Innocent]

@Ren-or IAI is defending town TDA. I mean I do (kinda) like his "TDA is town 'cause no CW" thing but that's pretty much all.

Can you give me a valid reason why scum TDA would attack his two neighbors, as oppose to use them? If he is scum, that makes you both likely town, so what happens when they both flip town...who does that lead back to. Esp when that is his reasoning for attacking you:

I'm neighbours with Nero and d3x. d3x is probably town, so lynch Nero.
If that's not enough, look at Nero's posts.

What about D3x's comment on TDA announcing who was in the neighborhood when garmr faked dayvig him, what scum motivation (vs town motivation) was there for this comment, esp since it was likely scum had pregame chat since the neighborhood did?

@IAI-What was your reasoning to call me scum in 150?

Lurking is suspicious

I agree. Good thing I'm not doing that.

guts leaning scum on IAI.

not sure what to think about TDA yet.

Page 6, first post (lurking), no vote (RVS or otherwise), only read is on me (who I know is town, once again, why no vote, afraid to make enemies early?), only other comment is on TDA (nothing on anyone attacking him or anyone else), which you leave as null, which is very convenient for scum who may want the option to jump on that later.

It felt very much like our last game together.

[I Am Innocent]

IAI-I have a serious question. Do you think that Dudes reasoning to suspect DX was good?

No it sucked, and it is not the reason I suspect u. But it's the motivation that I'm focusing on. Scum TDA should have zero motivation to go after his town neighbors.

Then I look at you and dex, and you two are going after non neighbors, which is what I'd expect out of scum. The fact that dex has come off as more townie, trying to stop the TDA wagon, and you semi coming after what I know to be a townie (me) has me suspecting that you are the scum in the neighborhood.

I'm a little confused then.

This makes alot of sense (scum nero buddying to town d3X) based on a game I can't quite talk about yet.

Here you agree that I'm buddying. TDA's "case" on me is that b/c I agree'd that scum do use out of game reasoning to lurk or whatever that I should have pounced on D3X. How exactly is that buddying as opposed to just you know? Thinking the reasons suck?

While I can understand that paranoia says there's once scum in the hood there's NOT always one scum in the hood.

But if we are going t talk about each others scum tendencies: I've pegged you twice for sheeping/shadowing posts wich is exactly what you are doing here.

Because between 468 and 485 there was this, the 3rd party bystander in the neighborhood who helped clarify what really happened:

@anyone curious {mostly answering IAI's questions}- We don't have Daytalk, but we were open during pregame. There wasn't a whole lot said in the Hood by anyone. We weren't Neighborizered, we're just Neighbors. I wouldn't say that Nero was trying to Buddy me in the Hood, Dude just read a bit more into my posts than were actually there. Nero asked if there was anything that anyone wanted to discuss and I said some iRL stuff that will happen later in the year. Dude didn't catch the 'later in the year' bit and Nero thought Dude's reasoning was lame. That's pretty much it. We were in the process of trying to figure out Dude's main when the thread was locked.

Before d3x clarified what was said, I thought from TDA's comments that yes, I would expect scum Nero to buddy to town d3x, esp after our last game together where I thought town d3x played very well (and I would guess you would have agreed with that).

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RE "While I can understand that paranoia says there's once scum in the hood there's NOT always one scum in the hood"

Oh I agree. But even if it is 75/25, and I feel very confident in my town reads for TDA and d3x, and your 20 pages in and still only have one vote and one scum read from what I can remember, yeah, I think your a great lynch today.

Speaking of reads, care to give a full reads list of every player? I mean, we're only 20+ pages in to this game already. And with 3 viable wagons, you really think your lone vote on me is better than any of those wagons? Did we nail one of your buddies on one of these two counterwagons, and your afraid to show your cards too early? I want reads darnit!

[I Am Innocent]

late for work now, will have to catch up on the other stuff later, wanted to make sure to keep things moving with Nero.

[Garmr]

I should probably come up with another phrase other than feminist tactics but it's the only other place I seen it.

But it's basically where you keep someone feeling like a victim to exploit them for your personal gain/agenda/movement.

That's what kilapen was/is doing to tda

Found a catchy phrase for it. I'm going to call victim zoning.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote killapenwin

[Kid A]

I could swing either way...

what are you referring to?