Mafia 13 - Game over!

[shadyforce]

@CoolBot, I was referring to Leonidas' 1st sentence in his last post.

@Cadmium, good point. If he is a mafia and hides with a fellow member, than we will know for sure the identity of 2 mafia leaving only 1 left (probably). Also the more nights it goes on, the more mafia he will incriminate. We can also use a cop to identify either of the two people in question.

@Stewie, another good point. Can mlaker clarify what his role says?

[mlaker]

I was thinking I could use my ability to become an investigative role as well.I'm thinking of a few people I could hide with.

mlaker

[shadyforce]

Will you die if the person your hiding with is targeted for murder or actually murdered?

[Dragon Slayer]

Yes I believe he will be. I don't think that he dies just by hiding at a bad guys house. I'm not really sure. And would the doc protect both Stewie and mlaker if he were to choose Stewie? I would think so, but...

Be careful with that idea Shadyforce. If Stewie had a night kill immunity, then mlaker or however may die instead. Who knows- if that is true then we'd end up lynching an innocent with a good power.

I don't know about Cadmium's idea. If two baddies target Stewie then we could end up losing a good deal of people. Also, we don't know if there's a role that could do some other damage or one that may have some ability to kill Stewie anyway- regardless of doc protection.

I think, at this point, that it's not a good idea for everyone with that cowardly townie role to all choose Stewies house, or for all of them to go together to one house. It might be too dangerous.

[Stewie]

I think, at this point, that it's not a good idea for everyone with that cowardly townie role to all choose Stewies house, or for all of them to go together to one house. It might be too dangerous.

My main concern with everyone coming to my "party" is that if the doc and mafia target me, I won't die, but all the cowardly townies might.

[mole]

Unvote: mlaker

I don't think that's ever occurred before... if I had written the role a doctor would turn up and save

all

people in the house from death.

[mikehart]

i agree with mole but i still havent finished reading the thread so ill chime in again later

[Corsato]

I have some unexpected business tonight, so I'm unable to post a complete deadscene. Seeing the recent increase of posting, I will postpone the deadline until

tuesday 18:00

. Please note that this deadline will be final.

I'll try to post a vote tally.

[Corsato]

Tried and succeeded .

The votes:

8 Shadyforce (Coolbot, Darkblade, DP, Electra, Fletcher, Jalyn, Leonidas2, Stewie)
4 Mlaker (Cadmium, Discer, Mathcam2, Nehi)
1 DP (Quailman)

Not voting: the rest

[Stewie]

Unvote: mlaker

I don't think that's ever occurred before... if I had written the role a doctor would turn up and save

all

people in the house from death.

If that's right, everyone can come to my party, but you have to bring drinks

[mlaker]

I'm bringing nachos!

Vote Shadyforce

mlaker

[discer]

unvote: Mlaker

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't buy into the Shadyforce bandwagon at this point.

[Cadmium]

Like Discer, I don't want to vote for Shadyforce. He's giving his thoughts on things. Maybe not every idea seems logical, but he did make some good points. Remember that he came up with the idea to use mlaker as an investigator. Doesn't seem to scummy to me. I don't think the mafia would have proposed such an idea. So I think there might be some mafia on his bandwagon to get him lynched.

Looking at everyone on this bandwagon, Dragon Phoenix and Electra seem most suspicious to me. These are the only posts they've made so far:

OMGUS vote Quailman

*what mole said*

unvote Quailman, vote mlaker

For the same reasons as the posters before me:

unvote mlaker, vote Shadyforce

Well, I shall perform the amazing act of

vote: mathcam-ing

. And I will perform the amazing action of THINKING in a few days.

Wow, am I still voting for mathcam?

unvote:mathcam

vote:shady force, for gallons of crap logic

No input at all. Just hopping on bandwagons. I know this doesn't have to mean they're mafia, but it's the best thing I can come up with at this moment. Since I know that he usually plays like this, I'll just

FOS: DP

. But Electra is much more active in other games.

Unvote mlaker, vote Electra

[Electra]

No input at all. Just hopping on bandwagons. I know this doesn't have to mean they're mafia, but it's the best thing I can come up with at this moment. Since I know that he usually plays like this, I'll just

FOS: DP

. But Electra is much more active in other games.

Unvote mlaker, vote Electra

Nuh uh. Look at Rumours and Gamersville. I'm certainly not active there. ^^;; It's just that I really can't think of much to say.

[Quailman]

I think the Shadyforce bandwagon is misguided, perhaps with encouragement from the Mafia. And I am in another game where Electra is certainly more talkative, but it is due to her particular role. She's an outed cop who's found two baddies so far. Much less reason for her to talk here.

[Dragon Phoenix]

As Cadmium rightly pointed out, it's simply my style not to post much on Day 1 - certainly in games with as many players as we have here.

What I noted though is that Shadyforce apparently has already given up in this game, seeing that

he did not post here since 6 Sept, but did so in other threads. Usually scum is a little more persistant in attempts to defend themselves.

Therefore:

unvote Shadyforce

[mathcam]

I (still) agree that Shady is not that suspicious. I think our methods of playing are similar, though we happen to find different people suspicious. I still think mlaker is our best bet. And even if you're one of the people on the shadyforce bandwagon, remember that we're not lynching people for using bad logic. We're lynching people for being mafia. People can (and often do) use bad logic whether or not they're mafia, so there's certainly no direct link. Only be suspicious of shadyforce's bad logic (if you in fact think the logic is bad) if its bad logic that only a mafia would spout.

Cam

[Kerplunk]

Mlaker's claim I kinda buy. And his role could be made an cop-type-role-thingy.
What if the doc targets mlaker? Then mlaker lives and can tell us in what place he hid. Or does can't the doc protect mlaker if he is not in his own house?

FoS: Electra

, for hopping on bandwagons without giving some real reasons.

And BTW, where is JTman? I think it's replacement-time.

[Leonidas]

No way the docs are targetting mlaker tonight.

First - his claim is extremely convenient.
Second - if he's telling the truth, then he does not need a doc's protection.
I think he'll still get killed if he chooses poorly, and - supposing the doc's protection

works

- he won't know a mafia when he sleeps with one.

[shadyforce]

Well, I'm almost afraid to post after what DP said but I really hate inactives/lurkers so here I am.

I haven't given up on the game, just I've helped the town in any way I can thus far. Just to say that although I'd like to avoid getting lynched, I'm not going to vote for mlaker since I think he's also innocent and could be very useful to the town.

I guess it's too late now though since the deadline is fast approaching and the rest are too quiet to take any action. Just to give the town something to work with tomorrow, my hunch is Leonidas.

vote: Leonidas

[Kerplunk]

No way the docs are targetting mlaker tonight.

First - his claim is extremely convenient.
Second - if he's telling the truth, then he does not need a doc's protection.
I think he'll still get killed if he chooses poorly, and - supposing the doc's protection works - he won't know a mafia when he sleeps with one.

You're right, didn't thought about that. Well, mustn't mlaker tell us now before the deadline with who he is going to party tonight? In case he gets killed and the person where he hided doesn't, then that person is scum. But if mlaker gets killed and we don't know where he hid, then mlaker's role using as a cop is pointless.

[Jalyn]

Ah, does anyone else see a problem with the idea of mlaker telling us his target?
a) mlaker is innocent, chooses an innocent to stay with. Mafia target and kill both of them. (BAD)
b) mlaker is innocent, chooses an innocent to stay with, Mafia target the innocent but he/she is doc protected and that only covers the original target. We then lynch the innocent because mlaker died in their house. (BAD)
c) mlaker is innocent and chooses to stay at an innocent's house, mafia targets innocent and doc protects and it covers both of them. - One less mafia kill - (GOOD)
d) mlaker is innocent and chooses to stay at an innocent's house and the mafia avoid the house. (INDIFFERENT)
e) mlaker is innocent and chooses to stay at a mafia's house. Mlaker automatically dies. We've found a mafia! (GOOD)
f) mlaker is innocent and chooses to stay at a mafia's house and they get a choice on whether to kill mlaker and choose not to. (INDIFFERENT)
g) mlaker is guilty (INDIFFERENT)

The indifferents assume that we don't automatically believe mlaker's information.

Anyway, I still see nothing better than shadyforce, so I'll leave my vote there.

[shadyforce]

mlaker could stay at my house and a doc protects me. If he does I suspect it will all work out fine .

[Fletcher]

And BTW, where is JTman? I think it's replacement-time.

In other news, Mikehart just moved into the house of JTMan5. He will replace him from now.

Anyway,

unvote:shadyforce

for mathcam's reason and I won't vote anyone yet.

[shadyforce]

I think there is more discussion needed so could some people request an extension to the deadline?