Open 588 Pick Your Poison -- Game Over

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.02

acryon - 3 - Drezi, VictorDeAngelo, croboss
RachMarie - 2 - pisskop, NJAC
Count Dooku - 1 - deathfisaro
croboss - 1 - SIR CYANIDE
House - 1 - Count Dooku
pisskop - 1 - House
VictorDeAngelo - 1 - Riabi

Not Voting: RachMarie, acryon, Lalendra,

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-02-24 12:47:44)

[Drezi]

Okay someone who is not Drezi, Victor, or croboss give me a good town reason to build a half lynch wagon on the first page.
I can see how scum can benefit from such actions but hard to find a reason for me join in.

What do you all think of this post? It feels like dropping by only to say "hi, im not scum".

usually a quickbuilt wagon lacks a good case with valid reasons attached to the votes, thus not only can scums lynch town but vote analysis post flip would give little clues as to which of them were opportunistic scums

+ taking the chance to contribute to a non-existant case.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: deathfisaro

[House]

Okay someone who is not Drezi, Victor, or croboss give me a good town reason to build a half lynch wagon on the first page.
I can see how scum can benefit from such actions but hard to find a reason for me join in.

What do you all think of this post? It feels like dropping by only to say "hi, im not scum".

usually a quickbuilt wagon lacks a good case with valid reasons attached to the votes, thus not only can scums lynch town but vote analysis post flip would give little clues as to which of them were opportunistic scums

+ taking the chance to contribute to a non-existant case.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: deathfisaro

You're jumping on the easy read.

Easy reads are often wrong reads.

[SIR CYANIDE]

Okay someone who is not Drezi, Victor, or croboss give me a good town reason to build a half lynch wagon on the first page.
I can see how scum can benefit from such actions but hard to find a reason for me join in.

What do you all think of this post? It feels like dropping by only to say "hi, im not scum".

usually a quickbuilt wagon lacks a good case with valid reasons attached to the votes, thus not only can scums lynch town but vote analysis post flip would give little clues as to which of them were opportunistic scums

+ taking the chance to contribute to a non-existant case.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: deathfisaro

You're jumping on the easy read.

Easy reads are often wrong reads.

That's because reads in general are often wrong reads.

[Riabi]

You're jumping on the easy read.

Easy reads are often wrong reads.

Yes, but, early on in the game, when we don't have a lot to go on, shouldn't people be pressuring the easy reads to what comes of them?

I don't like this post, I really don't like this post. Someone who has played as many games as you have House should know this, so why try to dissuade Drezi here?

VOTE: House

[House]

You're jumping on the easy read.

Easy reads are often wrong reads.

Yes, but, early on in the game, when we don't have a lot to go on, shouldn't people be pressuring the easy reads to what comes of them?

I don't like this post, I really don't like this post. Someone who has played as many games as you have House should know this, so why try to dissuade Drezi here?

VOTE: House

Because, as I stated, easy reads are often the wrong reads.

When you see scummy shit right off the bat, 9 times out of 10, it's coming from town. Scum are too busy being careful and trying to blend in. For scum to slip this hard right out the gate, they'd have to be pretty stupid.

Do you always assume your adversary is an idiot? Because if so, you're simply projecting.

[Riabi]

I don't ever assume that someone is an idiot. My point is that putting pressure on someone early does not necessarily mean they are scum. But, when we are in the early game and we don't have a lot to go on, our best bet is to pressure anything that looks remotely scummy, and see how everyone reacts to said pressure. What else is there to do at this point in the game?

[pisskop]

Not sure if House is actually a 'jerk', role playing a jerk, or pretending to be a jerk. :\

We can ask questions, which elicit responses. Its just this forum seems to frown upon that sort of proactiveness.

[VictorDeAngelo]

UNVOTE:

Okay someone who is not Drezi, Victor, or croboss give me a good town reason to build a half lynch wagon on the first page.

I can see how scum can benefit from such actions but hard to find a reason for me join in.

Why not ask House this?
Also the bolded reads a lot like "look at me, I'm not doing something scummy ". (Edit: I think Drezi saw the same thing)

Hi!

Vote: RachMarie

ICs are always scum. Sheep me now please. GGWP.

Uh, what do you mean by IC here?

You're jumping on the easy read.

Easy reads are often wrong reads.

Yes, but, early on in the game, when we don't have a lot to go on, shouldn't people be pressuring the easy reads to what comes of them?

I don't like this post, I really don't like this post. Someone who has played as many games as you have House should know this, so why try to dissuade Drezi here?

VOTE: House

I don't get this. Why do you think any of that makes House scum?

[Count Dooku]

It is not RVS anymore:
UNVOTE:

[Riabi]

I don't get this. Why do you think any of that makes House scum?

To me it feels like House is trying to talk Drezi out of voting for deathfisario. While I don't necessarily buy Drezi's case in 51, I also don't feel like there's any reason to say "nope, you're wrong, and you should change your vote" which is what it feels like House is saying.

[VictorDeAngelo]

@Riabi

- What's your current read on Defisaro?
What's your current read on Drezi?

[Riabi]

@Riabi

- What's your current read on Defisaro?
What's your current read on Drezi?

Drezi is pretty null right now. I mean, he's only made three posts, and only one post of any substance.
Deathfisario I'd say probably leans town.

[RachMarie]

Sorry all been really busy with work stuffs will catch up here over the weekend

[Count Dooku]

@Riabi

- What's your current read on Defisaro?
What's your current read on Drezi?

Drezi is pretty null right now. I mean, he's only made three posts, and only one post of any substance.
Deathfisario I'd say probably leans town.

So you disagree with Drezi, but you don't like that House disagrees with him too. Interesting.

[Riabi]

So you disagree with Drezi, but you don't like that House disagrees with him too. Interesting.

Not quite... I disagree with Drezi's read, yes. My issue with House isn't that he disagrees with Drezi. It's the way he's doing it that bothers me. It would have been different if House had said "I think you should vote for xxx, because xxx is more scummy". Or, "I think you're wrong because death has done these townie things." But instead, he just tried to drop what appeared to be some bullshit reasoning to dissuade Drezi.

[House]

Not sure if House is actually a 'jerk', role playing a jerk, or pretending to be a jerk. :\

We can ask questions, which elicit responses. Its just this forum seems to frown upon that sort of proactiveness.

It's a simple task to ISO me and get that answer for yourself.

[House]

ISO = meta dive.

[House]

I don't get this. Why do you think any of that makes House scum?

To me it feels like House is trying to talk Drezi out of voting for deathfisario. While I don't necessarily buy Drezi's case in 51, I also don't feel like there's any reason to say "nope, you're wrong, and you should change your vote" which is what it feels like House is saying.

Yeah, because Depi is so likely to be lynched this early in D1 that I'm scared my scum buddy is about to be lynched.

That

totally

makes sense.

[croboss]

Ok I'll say my thoughts after school.

VOTE: unvote

[deathfisaro]

@deathfisaro
Why would a vig shoot two times right in the first night? Crazy talk.

3 deaths in 1 day because
1 mislynch D1
1 scum shoot town N1
1 Vig shoot town N1

D2 opens
7-3 = 4 town
3-0 = 3 scum
Welcome to LyLo. Vig can't shoot twice in a night. Can only shoot up to twice over minimum two nights.

[SIR CYANIDE]

I don't get this. Why do you think any of that makes House scum?

To me it feels like House is trying to talk Drezi out of voting for deathfisario. While I don't necessarily buy Drezi's case in 51, I also don't feel like there's any reason to say "nope, you're wrong, and you should change your vote" which is what it feels like House is saying.

Yeah, because Depi is so likely to be lynched this early in D1 that I'm scared my scum buddy is about to be lynched.

That

totally

makes sense.

Who is Depi? Do you mean Drezi?

[Drezi]

You're jumping on the easy read.

Easy reads are often wrong reads.

Yeah, I don't have a problem with being wrong since:

we are in the early game and we don't have a lot to go on, our best bet is to pressure anything that looks remotely scummy, and see how everyone reacts to said pressure.

Also I really don't like this argument:

When you see scummy shit right off the bat, 9 times out of 10, it's coming from town. Scum are too busy being careful and trying to blend in.

First of all generalisations don't work, and obviously we can't just ignore scummy behavior regardless of alignment, if it's town they had something in mind for acting that way, if it goes ignored forever, what was the point?

You're jumping on the easy read.

Easy reads are often wrong reads.

I don't like this post, I really don't like this post. Someone who has played as many games as you have House should know this

The way this is phrased and the scolding subtly overdramatizes the weight of this case imo.

Deathfisario I'd say probably leans town.

What made you lean towards town in his posts?

I'm happy with my vote for now

[Count Dooku]

@CYANID
He meant deathfisaro... Depi = deathfisaro.

[Count Dooku]

And I meant CYANIDE. With E at the end. Sorry.