Open 583: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[Teapot]

Ugg, Vettrock's vote on Davesaz is horrible.

[Aneninen]

Let's see the other players.

Mastin.

I scumread him on early-Day2 (before that I had been unable to get a strong read on her.)
My reasons were (1) being on both the Davesaz and the Eyestott wagon (2) her push had a very strong impact: lynching Davesaz (3) changing her reads very quickly (4) a gamestyle like that could be a perfect excuse on jumping on any emerging wagon and (5) if he has many gamestyles, why hasn't she chosen a more suitable one?
Later I dropped my read. Partly because of the sheer amount of effort she made to convince me – if she were scum she could have opened a new "battlefront" or join an existing one instead of getting involved in a long wallpost-interaction with me.
She joined the Copper-wagon in 1255, posted that the BBT-Copper interactions are scum-scum (about 1278), were against the massclaim (1315), got back to townreading BBT (1360 – as far as I can see she never voted for BBT), and after that... either she flew under the radar or I find her posts null-s (still scumreading Copper meanwhile). Returned with an SK-read on Titus and insta-scumreading Copper's replacement. (The latter is a thing I call "Regardless of Card" – scumreading someone regardless of their content. It's not always a scumtell but surely a thing I don't like.)

Summary. Having read that part of the game again, I still know why I scumread her and why I dropped my read. But, since then she's done nothing which has given me town-vibes. If BBT's Mafia, I can imagine her as his partner. A Vettrock-Mastin pair is less likely (unless they made up the plan about all the fake-claim, interactions etc. at Night1, maybe). I don't think she could be scum with Copper – she could have moved on easily to another scumread but that has never happened. Generally said, it seems that she's reading the game in a similar way as I do which is a towntell. If there's an SK at all, she might be the one.
I wouldn't say she's town, but I don't think she'd be a good lynch Today. In other words: she's not a priority now.

(Note to self. At this point I realized that I've been reading the whole game if a "Copper is scum"-biased way for a while. Even if I'm examining someone else I lead back to my reads to Copper (unintentionally, though). I strongly hope that Copper is scum because if not, most of my reads will turn into pigeon poop.)

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Beast (MonkeyMan)

This seems to be an easy one.
I've already seen his scumplay (according to the site rules I'm not allowed to talk about it) and it's entirely different. Basicly: his Mafia-play is more consistent. On the other hand, his gameplay here is not

entirely

the same as his townplay. It happens too many times that his posts give me the feeling as if he didn't read the game at all. Also, his theoretical posts after 1600+ or so are very bad.
I don't think he's Mafia and one more thing strengthens this read: as far as I can see noone has a sure and constant townread on him. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) However, if there's an SK, he could be the one. (More likely than SK.)

Since I think it's more likely that there's no SK, I don't think he'd be a good lynch Today.

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Heartless.

The fact that they're thinking that Copper's town and they're pushing the BBT-wagon tells me that if Copper's scum, Heartless are very likely scum too. I also noticed a change in their posting style and frequency after Titus's arrival. What if my first idea about the Copper–Heartless–Titus team has been real...?
But, his recent post are seem to be much more town-ish than their many of their earlier posts. Also, they pointed out quite a couple of things about BBT which made me think (Eg. 1286).

So, if Copper's scum they'll become my strongest scumread. On the other hand, it's not too likely that they're scum with BBT (Vettrock could be a possible partner.) And, as I said before they're not the SK (if there's one).

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Titus.

I won't waste my time on her Today. It's proven that she could be scum only if

one

of the other PR-claims is fake.

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Wicked.

I can't see how those post could have come from a scum-mindset. His reaction test on Teapot has strengthened my read. (I don't understand his problems with that outdated post from me, though. But that might mean mere paranoia from him, I suppose.)

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Penguin.

Unless BBT flips scum I'll consider him as an obv-town. Not because BBT's targetting but also because he's done nothing scummy at all.

[Heartless]

where are you now, teapot?

[Teapot]

where are you now, teapot?

44.

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Everyone: Although I'd like to shoot BBT on my lynch if it happens who do you all suggest?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You can't shoot anyone, silly.

You're scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm really not used to this BBT type of play, I'm going to have to look at some more of his game but I no longer think he's scum.

Your reads are inconsistent as well.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I also think you're on an alt because there is someone in this game who knows your meta well enough to pin you as scum if you used your regular account.

[beastcharizard]

Well that isn't farfetched at all BBT.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I know. That's why I said it.

[Heartless]

I also think you're on an alt because there is someone in this game who knows your meta well enough to pin you as scum if you used your regular account.

so....

your argument is: he replaced in under his main. got a scum role pm, and told the mod to switch to an alt...? and the mod would totally do this as there's no ethical breach at all?

no

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's not allowed?

[Heartless]

um....... if what you said really happened, i'm reporting it to a skittle. because it's that bad.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

A skittle?

Why is it not allowed?

[Heartless]

someone agreeing to replace in THEN SWITCHING TO AN ALT B/C OF THE ALIGNMENT THEY GOT?

that's cheating as far as i'm concerned

(skittle = list mods)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How is it cheating?

Like, it doesn't effect the game in any way. Meh, prob a discussion for post-game.

[Heartless]

switching to an alt account to dodge scum meta AFTER GETTING THE ROLE PM?

that's what you're saying

and, yes, that's cheating because it confers an unfair advantage

[killapenwin]

I'm not sure that it gives that much of an advantage it is just a name, meta isn't everything and too many players seem to read into it too much.

[Teapot]

Yeah I'm an alt, no it's not just for this game. Ask vettrock, I'm in one with him.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Who are you an alt of?

How is that catch-up going?

[Jackal711]

To clarify some confusion I'm seeing:

Subject: Replacement
I heard you need a replacement, I'm willing to do so.
(I'm an alt, not new)

[Jackal711]

Everything is perfectly legal. I now return you to your regular scheduled game.

[Jackal711]

@mod:
Q1) would replacements be informed of previous night actions/results?
Q2) If coppers slot is lynched before a replacement, (assuming he is vengeful) would their target still be bbt?

Answering:
1) Yes. Replacements are given all information the prior player knew.
2) Not important now, but he had given me a kill choice via PM at time of replacement that I would have used if no replacement found before the slot's lynch.
Finding someone to replace into a 60+ page game for the single purpose of making a venge-kill would have been difficult given how long Tean's replacement took to find.

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 2.10

killapenwin (0) -
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - Heartless
Heartless (0) -
Teapot (3) - mastin2, vettrock, BlueBloodedToffee
vettrock (0) -
Aneninen (0) -
Wickedestjr (0) -
beastcharizard (2) - killapenwin, Titus
Titus (0) -
mastin2 (0) -

No Lynch (1) - beastcharizard

Not Voting: Teapot, Aneninen, Wickedestjr

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is Sunday, February 8th at 12pm PST which is in (expired on 2015-02-08 12:00:00)

[Heartless]

The moderator himself just confirmed that copper's slot is vengeful. :S

[beastcharizard]

So do we take this knowledge and lynch BBT or what? It doesn't feel right.