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Netherspite Mafia Scum
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It's hard to explain, but ISO yourself during D1 and you'll see what I'm talking about.Now modding:Netherspite's SORM Mafia III(Day 2)-
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Jake from State Farm Survivor
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It probably has something to do with my new play style for 2015, people complain I post too much and it distracts from the game, this is the 2nd game somebody accused me of being under the radar but I disagreed.Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
Sometimes I get heated and don’t realize it. If I get like this please somebody tell me to take a break and chill out. Thanks in advance.-
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Netherspite Mafia Scum
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I was more talking about you maintaining low activity and not getting any suspicion on you.
I don't think it was intentional scummy behavior and there are things that make thinking you're town as I posted in my analysis post.
I'd like to hear your opinion on the rest of my analysis.Now modding:Netherspite's SORM Mafia III(Day 2)-
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Jake from State Farm Survivor
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I'll read it when I get to work, 2 hour delays screw my entire day up and it doesn't help when my daughter is trying to make up an illness to get out of schoolRobbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
Sometimes I get heated and don’t realize it. If I get like this please somebody tell me to take a break and chill out. Thanks in advance.-
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Jake from State Farm Survivor
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That's a pretty good case actually, there's a few things that house did that make me doubt they were partners, but I was pretty much feeling that vibe yesterday. I want to look at your interactions with dodgy also before I do anything.Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
Sometimes I get heated and don’t realize it. If I get like this please somebody tell me to take a break and chill out. Thanks in advance.-
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Nether, stop derping up the game or you'll be directly responsible for the loss.-
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Netherspite Mafia Scum
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Can you provide more detailed feedback on my analysis?
Also, do you consider Jake the only possible scum here (since you seem to be considering me townie who is wrong)?Now modding:Netherspite's SORM Mafia III(Day 2)-
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House Survivor
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In post 772, Netherspite wrote:0. I believe thatHouseincluded advices for scum in his intro IC post not only because he's so good IC but also to help his inexperienced partner.
Wrong. I'm simply doing something that all IC's should, IMHO. If I was scum, I'd have simply posted my advice to scum in the scum chat pregame.
How is this not obvious to you?
In post 772, Netherspite wrote:
1.dodgy56in #67 posts some obvious information in attempt to pretend like doing something.
I call him out on this in #68.
Right after thatHousevotes me for "taking his advice to scum" in #70.
Using RVS bullshittery in a late game case is terribly weak. If I wasn't townreading you, it'd be raising flags.
In post 772, Netherspite wrote:
2. In #87Housegives advice tododgy56to not pursue other players for weak reasons.
Yes, terribly scummy, that post.
In post 772, Netherspite wrote:
3.Jackal711states that he's scumreadingdodgy56in #98.
Houseresponds by votingJackal711in #100 for "the convenient scumread from an experienced player". His "convenient" scumreads didn't botherHouselater on.
Later on, nothing really bothered me because I quit caring since nobody else did anyway.
In post 772, Netherspite wrote:
Jake from State Farmlater questionsHousein #134 about whetherHousewas referring toJackal711'sdodgy56scumread.
Houseanswers "yes" in #152.
Dude, now you're posting references to make your wall look bigger. This says nothing more than the quote two posts up, and they're both irrelevant.
In post 772, Netherspite wrote:
4.Housein #149 implies that our communication withfakespearewas TvS.
Basically this was one of the points in my case ondodgy56later, I just didn't noticeHousein fact did the same.
This is not the strong point however,Jackal711said the same.
Then why bother posting it if you noticed town doing the same thing? Oh right, to inflate your wall and make your case look like it has substance.
In post 772, Netherspite wrote:
5.dodgy56is answering me that he has null read onHousein #167.
Houseanswers him that this can be a scum tell and advises him to get more non-null reads.
Advice I've posted in other games as well. So?
In post 772, Netherspite wrote:
6.dodgy56callsprawneater's vote on House "so bad" in #318.
Houseperforms his famous hammer goading tododgy56in response to that in #319.
dodgy56follows his advice in #323.
Right. When I am scumreading someone, I want them lynched. That's kinda town's job, you know, to advocate the lynches of scumspects.
In post 772, Netherspite wrote:
Basically, we can seeHouseteachingdodgy56how to play scum all the way through D1.
Anddodgy56is listening to him and defending him.
It could be becauseHouseis an IC and tries to help a newbie. But did you notice a single post whereHouseattempted to help any other player in the game? I didn't. He was helpingdodgy56exclusively.
I wasn't targeting anyone, I just responded with advice as I ran across the problems. Though you do make a good point in that we could have caught dodgy out sooner if I had been paying more attention to where all that advice was going, I didn't exactly see our SE players (who have as much or more experience as I) catch that, either. Where's your criticism of Jake for that? He has 2 years on me, brah.
In post 772, Netherspite wrote:
I've been re-readingJake from State Farm's posts in D1 as well. Yes, he was flying under radar successfully. Yet I find him never showing any association signs withdodgy56. He was rather scumreading him in the beginning.
Also,Jake from State Farmwas one of those who insisted on waiting for replacements and discussing more instead of hammering.
Jake has been playing for 2.5 years. I think he's probably figured out by now how to avoid obvious association tells.-
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Netherspite Mafia Scum
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Thanks for the PBP answer.
Please answer my last question if you don't mind
Then I'd like to hear others' opinion.
I have a plan on sorting this out, just need some more information.Now modding:Netherspite's SORM Mafia III(Day 2)-
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In post 783, Netherspite wrote:Can you provide more detailed feedback on my analysis?
Also, do you consider Jake the only possible scum here (since you seem to be considering me townie who is wrong)?
I have a tendency to suspect scum motivations when someone goes to such an effort to make a terrible case (especially on me), as a glance at my meta would show.
It's a bad habit that I'm working on.
Excluding that wall of wasted effort, I'd say you're most likely town.
I've been giving Jake far too much latitude considering his experience. I thought he was in the newbie queue for a reason and haven't been nearly as critical of his game as I should have been.-
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Jake from State Farm Survivor
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I was in the newbie que for a reason, idk why that matters as it relates to the game.Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
Sometimes I get heated and don’t realize it. If I get like this please somebody tell me to take a break and chill out. Thanks in advance.-
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In post 785, Netherspite wrote:Thanks for the PBP answer.
Please answer my last question if you don't mind
Wait... you thanked me for a PBP analysis that you didn't even read? My response in the second quote answered your last question.
Does this raise any flags for anyone else, or am I being paranoid here?-
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Jake from State Farm Survivor
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Why have you been giving me latitude? If you were town id expect you to not give me latitude.Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
Sometimes I get heated and don’t realize it. If I get like this please somebody tell me to take a break and chill out. Thanks in advance.-
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In post 787, Jake from State Farm wrote:I was in the newbie que for a reason, idk why that matters as it relates to the game.
Shenanigans.
You've played in a number of games on a regular basis over the past two years. If you had been on a long hiatus, I'd have retracted my criticism, but it remains valid.-
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In post 789, Jake from State Farm wrote:Why have you been giving me latitude? If you were town id expect you to not give me latitude.
In post 764, House wrote:That said, I've been liking Nether for town lately.Jake has been flying under the radar for pretty much the entire game.
I could go for voting him.-
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Jake from State Farm Survivor
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And no that doesn't raise red flags, he could have seen it and didn't really read it yet. I've done that before.
P. Edit - I was on a hiatus, but that's not my reason for joining the newbie que. Again, what does my reason for playing newbie games have to do with this game?
P.edit - I'm a top poster, how's that flying under the radar?Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
Sometimes I get heated and don’t realize it. If I get like this please somebody tell me to take a break and chill out. Thanks in advance.-
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Netherspite Mafia Scum
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In post 792, Jake from State Farm wrote:P.edit - I'm a top poster, how's that flying under the radar?
Uhm, no. You ain't.Now modding:Netherspite's SORM Mafia III(Day 2)-
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In post 792, Jake from State Farm wrote:And no that doesn't raise red flags, he could have seen it and didn't really read it yet. I've done that before.
P. Edit - I was on a hiatus, but that's not my reason for joining the newbie que. Again, what does my reason for playing newbie games have to do with this game?
It's not the queue you're in, it's the quality of the game you've been playing. For a player with two years experience, you're playing like a newbie. There's nothing of note in your ISO, and you should have been one of the leading scumhunters in this game.
However, you're taking a back seat and doubtcasting instead of actively scumhunting and advocating lynches of scumspects, letting town mislynch itself into obscurity.
In post 792, Jake from State Farm wrote:
P.edit - I'm a top poster, how's that flying under the radar?
The number of posts you've made means nothing in regards to flying under the radar, in fact it makes the point even more. From all your posts, how many lynches have you driven? How many hard stances have you taken outside of your busing of dodgy?-
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Netherspite Mafia Scum
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In post 788, House wrote:In post 785, Netherspite wrote:Thanks for the PBP answer.
Please answer my last question if you don't mind
Wait... you thanked me for a PBP analysis that you didn't even read? My response in the second quote answered your last question.
Does this raise any flags for anyone else, or am I being paranoid here?
In fact I did read it.
However, I found you answering my last question only partially.
You gave more complete answer in #786.Now modding:Netherspite's SORM Mafia III(Day 2)-
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Jake from State Farm Survivor
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In post 793, Netherspite wrote:In post 792, Jake from State Farm wrote:P.edit - I'm a top poster, how's that flying under the radar?
Uhm, no. You ain't.
Atop poster means one of the top, I'm 3rdRobbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
Sometimes I get heated and don’t realize it. If I get like this please somebody tell me to take a break and chill out. Thanks in advance.-
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Netherspite Mafia Scum
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@House
I know you partially addressed it in your PBP.
Yet it keeps bugging me so I'll try asking it separately.
What madedodgy56's scummy behavior different from, say,fakespeareandprawneater? You gave advices tododgy56and pushedfakespeareandprawneater. Why?
Not simply because "they were scummy and he weren't". Try remembering some exact reasons. I know it's hard to remember every thought from the early game but I want to understand it.
@Jake from State Farm
Thx, I'm not a native speaker, I thought it's the same as "top 1st".Now modding:Netherspite's SORM Mafia III(Day 2)-
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Jake from State Farm Survivor
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In post 794, House wrote:how many lynches have you driven? How many hard stances have you taken outside of your busing of dodgy?
Jackal was one, sure I was wrong but I was the one pressuring him the most. I didn't bus dodgy cause I'm not scum but nice try.Robbed of a scummy for what had to be the best unvote in mafiascum history.
Sometimes I get heated and don’t realize it. If I get like this please somebody tell me to take a break and chill out. Thanks in advance.-
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@Jake from State Farm
Did you previously bus your partner while being scum in a game of this size at the beginning of D2?Now modding:Netherspite's SORM Mafia III(Day 2)
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