Newbie 1568: Cleveland Mafia - Game Over

[Netherspite]

It's hard to explain, but ISO yourself during D1 and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[Jake from State Farm]

It probably has something to do with my new play style for 2015, people complain I post too much and it distracts from the game, this is the 2nd game somebody accused me of being under the radar but I disagreed.

[Nobody Special]

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No Lynch would be lynched at deadline

With

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alive it takes

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to Lynch or No Lynch.

ACTIVITY CHECK

:

Jake from State Farm, V/LA through Monday, February 23

Not Voting:

Pulindar, Zar, Jake from State Farm, Netherspite, House

Deadline in (expired on 2015-03-07 02:27:59)

[Netherspite]

I was more talking about you maintaining low activity and not getting any suspicion on you.
I don't think it was intentional scummy behavior and there are things that make thinking you're town as I posted in my analysis post.
I'd like to hear your opinion on the rest of my analysis.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'll read it when I get to work, 2 hour delays screw my entire day up and it doesn't help when my daughter is trying to make up an illness to get out of school

[Jake from State Farm]

That's a pretty good case actually, there's a few things that house did that make me doubt they were partners, but I was pretty much feeling that vibe yesterday. I want to look at your interactions with dodgy also before I do anything.

[Zar]

just to notify I'll be V/LA until 2/25.

[House]

Nether, stop derping up the game or you'll be directly responsible for the loss.

[Netherspite]

Can you provide more detailed feedback on my analysis?

Also, do you consider Jake the only possible scum here (since you seem to be considering me townie who is wrong)?

[House]

0. I believe that

House

included advices for scum in his intro IC post not only because he's so good IC but also to help his inexperienced partner.

Wrong. I'm simply doing something that all IC's should, IMHO. If I was scum, I'd have simply posted my advice to scum in the scum chat pregame.

How is this not obvious to you?

1.

dodgy56

in #67 posts some obvious information in attempt to pretend like doing something.
I call him out on this in #68.
Right after that

House

votes me for "taking his advice to scum" in #70.

Using RVS bullshittery in a late game case is terribly weak. If I wasn't townreading you, it'd be raising flags.

2. In #87

House

gives advice to

dodgy56

to not pursue other players for weak reasons.

Yes, terribly scummy, that post.

3.

Jackal711

states that he's scumreading

dodgy56

in #98.

House

responds by voting

Jackal711

in #100 for "the convenient scumread from an experienced player". His "convenient" scumreads didn't bother

House

later on.

Later on, nothing really bothered me because I quit caring since nobody else did anyway.

Jake from State Farm

later questions

House

in #134 about whether

House

was referring to

Jackal711

's

dodgy56

scumread.

House

answers "yes" in #152.

Dude, now you're posting references to make your wall look bigger. This says nothing more than the quote two posts up, and they're both irrelevant.

4.

House

in #149 implies that our communication with

fakespeare

was TvS.
Basically this was one of the points in my case on

dodgy56

later, I just didn't notice

House

in fact did the same.
This is not the strong point however,

Jackal711

said the same.

Then why bother posting it if you noticed town doing the same thing? Oh right, to inflate your wall and make your case look like it has substance.

5.

dodgy56

is answering me that he has null read on

House

in #167.

House

answers him that this can be a scum tell and advises him to get more non-null reads.

Advice I've posted in other games as well. So?

6.

dodgy56

calls

prawneater

's vote on House "so bad" in #318.

House

performs his famous hammer goading to

dodgy56

in response to that in #319.

dodgy56

follows his advice in #323.

Right. When I am scumreading someone, I want them lynched. That's kinda town's job, you know, to advocate the lynches of scumspects.

Basically, we can see

House

teaching

dodgy56

how to play scum all the way through D1.
And

dodgy56

is listening to him and defending him.
It could be because

House

is an IC and tries to help a newbie. But did you notice a single post where

House

attempted to help any other player in the game? I didn't. He was helping

dodgy56

exclusively.

I wasn't targeting anyone, I just responded with advice as I ran across the problems. Though you do make a good point in that we could have caught dodgy out sooner if I had been paying more attention to where all that advice was going, I didn't exactly see our SE players (who have as much or more experience as I) catch that, either. Where's your criticism of Jake for that? He has 2 years on me, brah.

I've been re-reading

Jake from State Farm

's posts in D1 as well. Yes, he was flying under radar successfully. Yet I find him never showing any association signs with

dodgy56

. He was rather scumreading him in the beginning.
Also,

Jake from State Farm

was one of those who insisted on waiting for replacements and discussing more instead of hammering.

Jake has been playing for 2.5 years. I think he's probably figured out by now how to avoid obvious association tells.

[Netherspite]

Thanks for the PBP answer.

Please answer my last question if you don't mind

Then I'd like to hear others' opinion.

I have a plan on sorting this out, just need some more information.

[House]

Can you provide more detailed feedback on my analysis?

Also, do you consider Jake the only possible scum here (since you seem to be considering me townie who is wrong)?

I have a tendency to suspect scum motivations when someone goes to such an effort to make a terrible case (especially on me), as a glance at my meta would show.

It's a bad habit that I'm working on.

Excluding that wall of wasted effort, I'd say you're most likely town.

I've been giving Jake far too much latitude considering his experience. I thought he was in the newbie queue for a reason and haven't been nearly as critical of his game as I should have been.

[Jake from State Farm]

I was in the newbie que for a reason, idk why that matters as it relates to the game.

[House]

Thanks for the PBP answer.

Please answer my last question if you don't mind

Wait... you thanked me for a PBP analysis that you didn't even read? My response in the second quote answered your last question.

Does this raise any flags for anyone else, or am I being paranoid here?

[Jake from State Farm]

Why have you been giving me latitude? If you were town id expect you to not give me latitude.

[House]

I was in the newbie que for a reason, idk why that matters as it relates to the game.

Shenanigans.

You've played in a number of games on a regular basis over the past two years. If you had been on a long hiatus, I'd have retracted my criticism, but it remains valid.

[House]

Why have you been giving me latitude? If you were town id expect you to not give me latitude.

That said, I've been liking Nether for town lately.

Jake has been flying under the radar for pretty much the entire game.

I could go for voting him.

[Jake from State Farm]

And no that doesn't raise red flags, he could have seen it and didn't really read it yet. I've done that before.

P. Edit - I was on a hiatus, but that's not my reason for joining the newbie que. Again, what does my reason for playing newbie games have to do with this game?

P.edit - I'm a top poster, how's that flying under the radar?

[Netherspite]

P.edit - I'm a top poster, how's that flying under the radar?

Uhm, no. You ain't.

[House]

And no that doesn't raise red flags, he could have seen it and didn't really read it yet. I've done that before.

P. Edit - I was on a hiatus, but that's not my reason for joining the newbie que. Again, what does my reason for playing newbie games have to do with this game?

It's not the queue you're in, it's the quality of the game you've been playing. For a player with two years experience, you're playing like a newbie. There's nothing of note in your ISO, and you should have been one of the leading scumhunters in this game.

However, you're taking a back seat and doubtcasting instead of actively scumhunting and advocating lynches of scumspects, letting town mislynch itself into obscurity.

P.edit - I'm a top poster, how's that flying under the radar?

The number of posts you've made means nothing in regards to flying under the radar, in fact it makes the point even more. From all your posts, how many lynches have you driven? How many hard stances have you taken outside of your busing of dodgy?

[Netherspite]

Thanks for the PBP answer.

Please answer my last question if you don't mind

Wait... you thanked me for a PBP analysis that you didn't even read? My response in the second quote answered your last question.

Does this raise any flags for anyone else, or am I being paranoid here?

In fact I did read it.
However, I found you answering my last question only partially.
You gave more complete answer in #786.

[Jake from State Farm]

P.edit - I'm a top poster, how's that flying under the radar?

Uhm, no. You ain't.

A

top poster means one of the top, I'm 3rd

[Netherspite]

@House

I know you partially addressed it in your PBP.
Yet it keeps bugging me so I'll try asking it separately.

What made

dodgy56

's scummy behavior different from, say,

fakespeare

and

prawneater

? You gave advices to

dodgy56

and pushed

fakespeare

and

prawneater

. Why?
Not simply because "they were scummy and he weren't". Try remembering some exact reasons. I know it's hard to remember every thought from the early game but I want to understand it.

@Jake from State Farm

Thx, I'm not a native speaker, I thought it's the same as "top 1st".

[Jake from State Farm]

how many lynches have you driven? How many hard stances have you taken outside of your busing of dodgy?

Jackal was one, sure I was wrong but I was the one pressuring him the most. I didn't bus dodgy cause I'm not scum but nice try.

[Netherspite]

@Jake from State Farm

Did you previously bus your partner while being scum in a game of this size at the beginning of D2?