Micro 447: Shameless Mafia -- Game Over!

[TierShift]

shoooos answer me questionzz

[This Christmas]

Lol

[This Christmas]

Yay! Back to serious now that

[shos]

shoooos answer me questionzz

uh, no, I am not a WW alt? I'm modding a game he's in :/

[This Christmas]

That's not what he meant

[shos]

what questions then?

[This Christmas]

no comment

[This Christmas]

UNVOTE:

[Toon Fighter]

Am here now. Sorry for the lack of content these last few days but I have been very busy IRL and only now have time for this game. Expect post in the next couple hours

[This Christmas]

You on the clock, your move

(expired on 2015-02-24 22:08:52)

[Aneninen]

Reading, posting tomorrow. Or at least I hope so. Okay?

[Toon Fighter]

Ok after really reading the game for the first time I have some remarks to do, topped off with a nice vote. Here it goes:

That was one of the most blatant crumbs I've ever seen, lol.
I hear anen's scumgame is good, though.

From here, and contrary to everyone else's opinion, my initial reaction was that TS and anen might be scum together. Anen's complete, and dare I say, undeserved, reaction to the sentence only makes me more certain of the theory. Alchemist seems like the townie trapped in the discussion. In 20, anen is the first one to bring dodgy into the fold, as he thinks he is obviously connected to TS's opinion on his scumgame. I don't like the exchange on anen's part, and it feels like he is grasping at straws. Initially I thought TS was his scum partner, but after reading the following posts I became more convinced of anen's scumminess but less convinced of TS's. Another post in particular captured my interest:

I know your scumgame is good because I saw it nominated for a scummy. I (closely) follow the nominations, as is evidenced by my egopost in that specific thread. That is the reason I knew it; it would be nonsensical to talk with a scumbuddy about every townie's scum meta.

My problem is that I simply can't ignore your 12, and I don't think I'll ever be able to drop the idea that it was a slip. So I examine all of your posts assuming that you're scum.
For example this one. Yes, we were nominated, I was in an excellent team (Wicked and Heartless). It

is

possible that you saw that but if so, you would have mentioned it

right after

my post about your slip.

So, everyone: here's my idea.
I can't imagine anyone as scum but Tiershift and Dodgy. Because of this, I don't think I can do anything useful Today.
So, let's lynch Tiershift. (Eg. Alchemist thinks that my read about the slip is wrong but Tieshift is scum because of his other posts.)

If he flips town, it's clear that my reads were wrong (and I'm really sorry, of course).

But

in this case you may think that I'm scum who has set up a clever mislynch and it would be risky with an unconfirmed-me in the town. (I'm town but I can't proove it.) So, fire away any kind of investigation you have on me at Night1. (Yes, I might have some kind of immunity, eg. Ninja, but because I have no idea about the Setup I can't have immunity against everything. Jailkeeper doesn't work, it would proove nothing, I suppose. Even a town-Vig shot would be useful, I think.)

If he flips scum, there are two players to be investigated: Dodgy and me. (Why me? Even if Tiershift flips scum, I could be his buddy, who tries to get away with a shrewd Day1-bussing.) Hopefully, by Day2 either Dodgy or me will be confirmed in either way.

Of course, regardless of the flip DO NOT CLAIM any PR prematurely; only if you have a sure read on anyone.

Discuss!

I'm adding this prematurely: Tiershift, if you're scum (especially if you're scum with Dodgy) but my read is wrong and there was no slip at all, I'm really, really sorry for spoiling your game. I don't think it's fair to catch a scum merely by sheer luck instead of good scumhunting.

In the post above, anen tries to dictate town's day and night behaviour for the first two game days, at least, by page three. I don't know if all this paranoia and seeming town leading are frequent in him, but it rubs me the wrong way. Even if you are correct in your theory, even if you had a 100% guilty read on those players, you'd need much stronger arguments to convince me to vote with you, to block and/or investigate you at night, and to basically follow you everywhere. It's just not happening with 2 and a half pages of content, when one of them is pretty much RVS. So, I want some more explanations for these prompts, as they just make me suspect Anen himself. Anen, do you still believe town should follow everything you suggested here? Has your opinion changed in any point?

ToonFighter, I've only seen one episode but mass claiming is probably not the best idea. Why did you suggest it?

The conversation between TierShift, Alchemist, dodgy56, and Aienen seems based on some meta reads?

I can see why scum would talk about another players scum meta if they were to set them up for a lynch but it seems a bit reaching?

I suggested it on the off-chance the game was poorly designed (sorry insanity, but had to check) and that scum had poor fakeclaims/ the game could be broken. If the game is well-designed, mass claiming shouldn't be a problem, if not, it could provide an advantage to town.

As for familiarity with shameless, it ties with the mass claim/ scum's fake claims. Players who haven't watched the show would have a more difficult time coming up with a convincing claim than someone who has watched everything.

In the last three pages, I saw little of note. So, I'll finish this post with my vote:

VOTE: Aneninen

[TierShift]

what questions then?

I askeed questions bout a.ene and stuffff

[TierShift]

Toon I don't really get why youare voting anen, can you summarisee in one sebtencee?

[insanity018]

Lip (right) is a straight A student who has frequently had run ins with the law while Ian's aspirations include joining the army.

Votecount 1.5

dodgy56

(2): TierShift, shos

Aneninen

(2): ArcAngel9, Toon Fighter

TierShift

(2): Aneninen, dodgy56

ArcAngel9

(1): estival

Not Voting

(2): Alchemist21, This Christmas

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-03-07 20:04:00)

[This Christmas]

VOTE: Toon

your time has run out

[This Christmas]

VOTE: toon
VOTE: toon
VOTE: toon
VOTE: toon

turbo lynched

[insanity018]

Prodding estival.

[estival]

Hi, I am here.

Toon, I didn't like this, "Because of this, I don't think I can do anything useful Today." in Anen's post. If you are aware that you do conf!bias then you should be aware a bit to be able to break from it.

However, why draw so much attention and that too for reaching?

Is this game like a newbie game with 2 scums or is the ratio different or unknown?

This Christmas, how would you describe your town game vs. your scum game. Do you usually hyperactive\silly post a lot?

ArcAngel, unless she was in her Rage Mode she was boring (I mean the actress was lovely but the character was very flat).

Also shos, you mentioned the questions but didn't answer them.

Here they are again for everyone to respond to:

1. If you could pick, town or scum?
2. Best scum hunting moment in a finished game?
3. Most dangerous player of either alignment in the player list and why?

Thank you

[TierShift]

How does answerinng these questions help you determine who's scum?

[Toon Fighter]

@TS: It doesn't, he's just pretending he's scumhunting.

I voted anen because I didn't like his attitude, acting like he knew the entire game by page 3, and that town had to follow all his directions, voting and investigating where he pleased. I think he tried to stifle discussion and that is anti-town.

[Toon Fighter]

@This Christmas: Why did you vote me ?

[shos]

It doesnt, it is a RQS ibstead of RVS.

Tier, what questions you want answerwd

[TierShift]

@TS: It doesn't, he's just pretending he's scumhunting.

please don't answer questions not directed at you!

I voted anen because I didn't like his attitude, acting like he knew the entire game by page 3, and that town had to follow all his directions, voting and investigating where he pleased. I think he tried to stifle discussion and that is anti-town.

I like this.

It doesnt, it is a RQS ibstead of RVS.

same as to toon, lol.

Tier, what questions you want answerwd

110

[ArcAngel9]

Shooooooos I want you in heeere

<3

good new is aneninen is town

What is that you in him that i dont. I think he is scum.

lol can we lynch dodgy first?

this post is my main reason for thinking tier is scum. Hearing the accusation against him, his first response is to ask if we can lynch me, He doesnt even attempt to justify why its wrong nor does to do anything to suggest why im scum. His reason for voting me at the point when he suggests it would be a scenario which requires him to be scum also. I know im town, but that doesnt make tier town. anen could be on the money with his post about tier and commenting on anen's meta. but if he is, tier didnt get it from me.

Did you read Tier's later posts that explained both reasons?

AA9 is town too for post 98, she spoke my thoughts out loud in parts.

this post concerns me a lot. Are you buttering me up? Are you doing the same thing as what you did with me in our last game as scum? and why are you trolling in this game?