I don't understand why people are finding SP's wall town. a lot of it is just commentary, and there's nothing in there that's related to anything outside the 5 people he calls scum at the beginning (me/Serene/SB/Rylai/Kilga). plus I don't understand how he comes to a lot of his conclusions. he's just assuming all of us are scum and coming up with evidence to fit his conclusion.
and the thing is, I wouldn't even find this that scummy since I could see it coming from a POV of "hey, I don't like these 5 players from the start of the game. let's do a PBPA and see what we come up with"; but that means fuck all because he proceeds to continue calling all 5 of us scum at the end anyway, despite, for instance, agreeing with a lot of my lines of questioning and disagreeing with most of the suspicion on me but then coming up with a reason to call me scum at the end (flip-flopping a lot). if that's what he was trying to do, there was really no conclusion drawn from it.
the content in Dan's wall is not particularly telling either way. re: your point re: me, I'm not going to act like I feel more strongly about smth than I actually do when I'm seeing evidence that tells me there's some chance I'm wrong.
In post 434, Ankamius wrote:Like the reads list looks mostly fine to me, but Relentless being right at the top is literally the last thing I would have expected.
a large majority of what he's done in this game looks like genuine scum hunting. in basically all of his catchup posts, you can see him analyzing the actual motivation behind what other people are doing, pointing out what he perceives as contradictions, and asking questions and actually following through with them when he feels it's warranted. the relentless (lololol) effort and questioning here looks very town. there's also a lot of idiosyncrasies I think are slightly more likely to come from town than scum: just to name a few, him suggesting D1 massclaim and actually backing it up with reasoning instead of just throwing out "lol let's massclaim", calling out GIF for white noise at the start of the game (which is a reasonable observation and one that I've found myself somewhat agreeing with at various points over the course of the game), outright claiming vig in
150 - which just from the role in itself should be cause for a slight town read, followup on the massclaim in
248, etc...
I can explain in detail but that's basically the tl;dr of it. why do you think he's scum?
In post 517, zMuffinMan wrote:I'm not going to claim to be a master of analysing meta, but what I was looking for in his town game was similarities to his play here, and I don't see it at all.
I took a brief look at it and, while I don't find it particularly compelling, I think this looks more like his town game. my impression of this was that he was somewhat similar to me in that his town game contains a large amount of pointed questioning/tone and him pushing people, whereas in his scum game he spent a lot of time just sitting around not making many waves in the game. I actually agree that the *way* he's going about questioning people here is different, but I don't know what to make of it. it's basically that it doesn't specifically match his town game, but it looks so far off from his scum game that I don't really have a problem with it.
this is obviously leaving out a lot of factors. ex. he replaced into the Madoka game and it's generally easier to provide an objective view of the game upon replacing in, it's possible him not doing anything in the medical mafia game was based around it being a mechanical setup as opposed to anything alignment-relevant, and it's a really small sample size. either way, it'd be nice to have more content to judge.
I'll admit at least some of my initial read on him is that his read on Rylai agrees with mine, but he did a really good job pretending to notice exactly what I'm seeing in Rylai's play if he was scum here. (unless you're claiming that's not what he was actually picking up on, but I'm pretty sure even if he didn't explicitly say the same thing as what I said it comes from the same mindset.) /shrug
