Mini #1647: Eine Kleine Nacht-Mord, Game Over

[Derangement]

I was originally planning to wait for our replacement and prodded people, but maybe this will encourage Prawn to actually do something about Post 411, instead of focusing on Llama like his life depends on it.

VOTE: Prawneater

[TellTaleHeart]

UT

Why are you voting prawn, UT?

This can now be an open question, by the way.

[NJAC]

Greetings everyone!

According to the votecount I assume my slot is not exactly in the best position. Please let me know if you think I should focus onto something specific while I read. Thanks in advance.

[Derangement]

Why are you voting prawn, UT?

This can now be an open question, by the way.

I'm having a hard enough time reading some of the less active people in this game.
Seeing prawn simply fail to acknowledge a question that'd help me get a better idea of where he's coming from makes me a little upset, so I did the one thing I

know

would get his attention.

Speaking of less active people, ChannelDelibird hasn't posted anything here in the last three days, while still being active elsewhere on-site.
I hate to always be that person, but...

@mod: Can we ask for a prod, pretty please?

[Derangement]

Greetings everyone!

According to the votecount I assume my slot is not exactly in the best position. Please let me know if you think I should focus onto something specific while I read. Thanks in advance.

Welcome aboard, NJAC!

Your predecessor did a pretty

atrocious

job at keeping his promise to catch up before asking for a replacement, so I'll be glad if you can do better.

[onion]

hi NJAC, we recieved a roleclaim from your former slot owner already, so it would be a good idea to get one from you as well. his roleclaim can be found in post 347. will you roleclaim?

[Untrod Tripod]

don't do that, NJAC

[Derangement]

hi NJAC, we recieved a roleclaim from your former slot owner already, so it would be a good idea to get one from you as well. his roleclaim can be found in post 347. will you roleclaim?

...what the hell?

UNVOTE: Prawneater
VOTE: Onion

[Untrod Tripod]

wait

can we finally do this?

[prawneater]

@Llamafluff

There is no contradiction. I am pointing out that your "logic" and opinions are your own, but you present them as "town's opinions".

I am unpopular because of the votes on me. But just because people are voting me doesn't mean they share or understand your crazy views. They have their own reasons which will come to light soon enough.

@onion

I played with CES before?

Vote GIF

His response to Equinox putting him in the group that has played with CES and calling him scum was to question him being in there. Not trying to actually question the validity of it but concerned with being a part of it.

Would also vote UT

Question validity... of what?

It seems odd to me that you acknowledge the existence of a list of players Equinox listed as having played with CES before by acting surprised that you were a part of it, and then ignored any merits or lack thereof. I could understand just ignoring it, but you indirectly mention it.

Do you think a townie came to the conclusion LF did? I don't. I think this is made up.

@Derangement

I probably would not put someone at L-1 so early in the day. I said "maybe" because I still wanted the threat of a lynch there so we could have some nice juicy reactions. The whole "let's put one or two votes on everyone in RVS" is a waste of time.

[onion]

@derangement what the hell what? he already claimed once! is this some obscure scum-tell i've invoked?

[Derangement]

@derangement what the hell what? he already claimed once! is this some obscure scum-tell i've invoked?

I don't know. Is it?

What did you expect your question to accomplish...

1. if he claimed the same thing?
   
2. if he claimed something else?

[TellTaleHeart]

wait

can we finally do this?

It's fine if you don't want to answer my question. Could you please just acknowledge my existence?

[LlamaFluff]

Do you think a townie came to the conclusion LF did?

You are using the exact same reason to call me scum that I used to call GIF scum. So either you are scum for saying "I don't see town doing this" or your tell works, which simultaneously invalidates your tell on me since its what you are calling me scum for.

I am unpopular because of the votes on me. But just because people are voting me doesn't mean they share or understand your crazy views. They have their own reasons which will come to light soon enough.

You were unpopular when you said it made Marquis town and there were two (?) votes on you? Also Equinox voted you for a post I am calling you scum for, and UT pretty blatantly sheeped me so.... you may be in for a bit of a shock coming up here soon.

[prawneater]

Do you think a townie came to the conclusion LF did?

You are using the exact same reason to call me scum that I used to call GIF scum. So either you are scum for saying "I don't see town doing this" or your tell works, which simultaneously invalidates your tell on me since its what you are calling me scum for.

What is this "exact same reason"? What tell am I using?

[prawneater]

@Marquis Why are you voting me?

EBWOP

Sorry, wrong player.

*@Equinox Why are you voting me?

[LlamaFluff]

What is this "exact same reason"? What tell am I using?

You said that I am scum because "you don't think town comes to his conclusion". I said that GIF was scum because "I don't think town responds like that". Both are essentially saying the exact same thing. Why is it wrong to you for me to say that I GIFs reaction to a situation is not something town would think, but apparently my reaction to his reaction is to you, something that town would not think.

Its the same thing each way just worded slightly differently is it not?

[prawneater]

We're not using the same scum-tell or reasoning.

We might be asking the same question, "does scum/town do this?", but everybody asks this question. You haven't caught me being a liar or a hypocrite, you're just making more trumped-up accusations.

Llamafluff, what reads do you have on this game besides the ones on me?

[Untrod Tripod]

UT

Why are you voting prawn, UT?

This can now be an open question, by the way.

I don't like the way he's arguing with llama (nor the way he is ONLY arguing with llama)

[prawneater]

What don't you like about the way I'm arguing with Llama?

[onion]

so either he says 'no i won't claim again' which might totally mean something, it might mean that the claim was wrong and marquis was a ridiculous idiot, which is what i suspect. or he might claim VT, which won't do anything, which is what i'm expecting. or he might claim something else entirely, which would be a giant huge scumtell, which is what i hope. but me talking about it has ruined the whole thing probably.

[Equinox]

I've been swamped with work, but I'll try to stay on top of things here.

you really need to get over yourself and realize there's more ways to play this game than just your narrow interpretation of what is "pro town"

I actually agree with this.

*looks at watch*

Alright-y then...

What did you think of everything that Marquis (not NJAC) had posted on the things that he had read?

Do quickhammers without declaration of intent, this far from the deadline, really happen outside of newbie games with any frequency? :neutral:
If any of you feels they might do such a thing, what is your reasoning for not declaring intent first?

You have to consider the player list. Most of the players in this game have so far shown themselves to be careful, deliberate, and reasonable players, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect that hammers would be treated with the same level of care. In a different game with less careful players (or someone known to quick-hammer), then tactics need to change.

@Equinox, caught up yet? Tell me about your vote on Prawn. what is the most convincing case to you?

My own! Why did you think I voted based on someone else's case?

oh look a reads list! complete lists are srsly no bueno because they provide fuel for scum to needle the little things like 'why am i 6th instead of 7th on the list' which bogs down the scumhunting, which is what they want, which is why we shouldn't do it. but top 2 lists are fine maybe i guess. is it even a list if its so short?

What is the difference between a full reads list and a top 2 list, in your mind, in terms of how much they affect scum decisions? Have you seen scum "needle the little things" about a particular list in the past?

*@Equinox Why are you voting me?

Your "let's lynch one of onion or Onion Bubs" post bothered me, and the explanation didn't make it better.

hi NJAC, we recieved a roleclaim from your former slot owner already, so it would be a good idea to get one from you as well. his roleclaim can be found in post 347. will you roleclaim?

so either he says 'no i won't claim again' which might totally mean something, it might mean that the claim was wrong and marquis was a ridiculous idiot, which is what i suspect. or he might claim VT, which won't do anything, which is what i'm expecting. or he might claim something else entirely, which would be a giant huge scumtell, which is what i hope. but me talking about it has ruined the whole thing probably.

If you were trying to fish for NJAC's reaction, why did you include Marquis's original reaction? Or, hell, since we're all about people being anti-town here, what made this course of action seem pro-town to you?

[Derangement]

so either he says 'no i won't claim again' which might totally mean something, it might mean that the claim was wrong and marquis was a ridiculous idiot, which is what i suspect. or he might claim VT, which won't do anything, which is what i'm expecting. or he might claim something else entirely, which would be a giant huge scumtell, which is what i hope. but me talking about it has ruined the whole thing probably.

If you were trying to fish for NJAC's reaction, why did you include Marquis's original reaction? Or, hell, since we're all about people being anti-town here, what made this course of action seem pro-town to you?

Pretty much this.

If your intent were to try and catch scum in a lie, you wouldn't have helpfully linked to the post where Marquis claimed.
Any scum player worth their salt will now certainly have read what's behind the link, and will play the rest of the game accordingly.
They might have missed it before.

So, this reads to me as one of two things:
Either you don't fully believe Marquis' claim, and are trying to figure out town!NJAC's role, or you're warning scum!NJAC that his slot already claimed, so he won't give himself away.

Which faction onion would do either of these things?

[petroleumjelly]

Day One, Vote Count #18

NJAC – 3 – TellTaleHeart, GuyInFreezer, Onion Bubs
prawneater – 3 – LlamaFluff, Equinox, Untrod Tripod
LlamaFluff – 1 – prawneater
onion – 1 – Derangement
Untrod Tripod – 1 – onion

With

11 alive

it takes

6

to lynch and

4

to lynch at deadline. Deadline is

March 5, 2015, at 6:45 AM PST

.

Not Voting – 2 – ChannelDelibird, NJAC

ChannelDelibird and GuyInFreezer have been prodded.
Onion Bubs has been given a warning prod.
Note that GuyInFreezer is on V/LA until March 5

.

[ChannelDelibird]

Was coming to this after my shift, promise! Gimme a couple of hours.