Open 588 Pick Your Poison -- Game Over

[Nachomamma8]

ika's quick-hammering isn't a scumtell.

If he did something else that you find scummy, bring that up. Don't try to obfuscate the matter with preemptively arguing over whether something is a scumtell that you're not using to base your read off of anyway.

It relevant because that was the crux of Nacho's defense and I was going ahead and undermining it.

It was the entire reason for the wagon on Ika yesterday, which was more what I was defending from. I never said that there wasn't a legitimate case to be made on Ika, just that the one being made was bad.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Drezi

I don't understand this vote.

[Nachomamma8]

Mmm, probably willing to vote Ika based on that link alone.

[TellTaleHeart]

A quick lead-off:
If anyone gives me attitude about how ika quick-hammering isn't a scumtell,

I'm going to hate your fucking guts

. That's all well and good that hammering is part of his meta. However, that's not what makes ika scum. He has a pretty clearly established meta with regards to activity and he's fairly easy to read just from that. His lurking and detachment from the game fit his scum meta to a T. ika is scum here.

Again, it seems like you're jumping the gun pretty hard when Ika has had the chance to post for four days total. I might be misinformed about how dramatic the scum/town posting ratios are, but even furcolow in his glory days wasn't an instant death read after four days of k ow posting.

ika replaced in on February 19th. That was 12 days ago. Subtracting the 4 days the game was in night phase, that still leaves 8 days. Four posts in 8 days is some heavy duty lurking.

[Nachomamma8]

Drezi, I find it extraordinarily unlikely that TTH-Riabi scumteam ends up voting Ika right off the bat: it's possible to strongarm a lynch without being on it and following that method would expose the pair a lot less. Although, could see scum-TTH pushing and weak scum-Riabi sort of just following, but this would be a much more impressive scumgame from TTH than I've seen elsewhere.

[Nachomamma8]

A quick lead-off:
If anyone gives me attitude about how ika quick-hammering isn't a scumtell,

I'm going to hate your fucking guts

. That's all well and good that hammering is part of his meta. However, that's not what makes ika scum. He has a pretty clearly established meta with regards to activity and he's fairly easy to read just from that. His lurking and detachment from the game fit his scum meta to a T. ika is scum here.

Again, it seems like you're jumping the gun pretty hard when Ika has had the chance to post for four days total. I might be misinformed about how dramatic the scum/town posting ratios are, but even furcolow in his glory days wasn't an instant death read after four days of k ow posting.

ika replaced in on February 19th. That was 12 days ago. Subtracting the 4 days the game was in night phase, that still leaves 8 days. Four posts in 8 days is some heavy duty lurking.

That's fair. It just didn't seem that dramatic at the time.

[TellTaleHeart]

I thought Dooku was pretty scummy. You disagree?

[Nachomamma8]

I haven't read a single Dooku post.

[Drezi]

Seeing how we kinda got fed up with ika, and some of us agreed to PL him if he doesn't end up being vigged, I think they could have believed that we'd just go fuck this game and quickwagon him like we did D2.

And before the ika shenanigans I was townreading Dooku.

[Drezi]

And ABR and Riabi had been the ones going overboard, pushing him for that whole warning about catchup post things.

[Drezi]

that should answer 1045 too.

[Riabi]

Why are you voting Ika?

Why wouldn't I be? And why is my reasoning not obvious?

I thought Dooku was scummy. I thought Dooku's replace-out was scummy. I think the D1 hammer was scummy, and I think the D2 hammer is scummy. I've thought that slot was scummy from the get-go, I still do, and to be completely honest, your defense of that slot is confusing to me.

P-edit:

I haven't read a single Dooku post.

This might explain a bit why you are so willing to defend that slot, but, why wouldn't you at least give a game you replace into at least a cursory read?

[TellTaleHeart]

And before the ika shenanigans I was townreading Dooku.

Of course you were.

[Nachomamma8]

I would be pretty inclined to vote Ika right now if I didn't think he had a good possibility of being the vig. I don't really know who in their right mind doesn't shoot Ika after yesterday, meaning the him = vig possibility is more likely than it should be.

[Nachomamma8]

And before the ika shenanigans I was townreading Dooku.

Of course you were.

Drezi is clearly town. Snippy comments are probably going to frustrate him and make him more inclined to push you. A case on Dooku would be more likely to make this not happen.

[Drezi]

I would be pretty inclined to vote Ika right now if I didn't think he had a good possibility of being the vig. I don't really know who in their right mind doesn't shoot Ika after yesterday, meaning the him = vig possibility is more likely than it should be.

That's exactly what I said at the start.

[Drezi]

And before the ika shenanigans I was townreading Dooku.

Of course you were.

???

[Riabi]

I would be pretty inclined to vote Ika right now if I didn't think he had a good possibility of being the vig. I don't really know who in their right mind doesn't shoot Ika after yesterday, meaning the him = vig possibility is more likely than it should be.

While I get this, this leads to the question, why would a vig quick-hammer two people then, knowing that we're in MyLo if he's wrong, still take a shot after?

[Drezi]

Riabi: WHO ARE SCUM WITH IKA?

[Riabi]

Riabi: WHO ARE SCUM WITH IKA?

I can't say for certain, of course, but Nacho and AM are certainly near the top of my list of possible scumbuddies.

[Drezi]

Nacho: who would be scum with ika?

[Drezi]

Riabi: WHO ARE SCUM WITH IKA?

I can't say for certain, of course, but Nacho and AM are certainly near the top of my list of possible scumbuddies.

So TTH is trying to bus ika right now when scum needs a single mislynch to win, and had been trying to bus him most of D1. That's quite likely I agree. Nope.

[Riabi]

So TTH is trying to bus ika right now when scum needs a single mislynch to win, and had been trying to bus him most of D1. That's quite likely I agree. Nope.

I'm sorry, maybe my brain isn't working today, but I can't parse this post. Can you elaborate please?

[Nachomamma8]

I would be pretty inclined to vote Ika right now if I didn't think he had a good possibility of being the vig. I don't really know who in their right mind doesn't shoot Ika after yesterday, meaning the him = vig possibility is more likely than it should be.

That's exactly what I said at the start.

I know, just reiterating things.

[Nachomamma8]

I would be pretty inclined to vote Ika right now if I didn't think he had a good possibility of being the vig. I don't really know who in their right mind doesn't shoot Ika after yesterday, meaning the him = vig possibility is more likely than it should be.

While I get this, this leads to the question, why would a vig quick-hammer two people then, knowing that we're in MyLo if he's wrong, still take a shot after?

Vig quickhammers people to make it less likely that he's nightkilled. Any vig takes a shot yesterday if they didn't take a shot N1, which was a risky move in and of itself.