Touhou UPick 3 - [Game Over]

[zMuffinMan]

in other news, someone break it down for me in really easy-to-understand terms why sky is so scummy

spoon-feed me like i'm an idiot who doesn't see how scummy sky is

[zMuffinMan]

someone other than pieguy, please! unless he has new, better points

i need you to break it down like "he did X, and this benefits scum because..."

[Katsuki]

my iso

[zMuffinMan]

hey ooba,

what happened to kagami between 737 and 899?

is your SB read entirely dependent on sky being scum? (if so, why is SB+Drezi one of your suggested lynches?) why was SB a town lean in 737?

i'd like to hear more on your sky read (specifically what you think was scummy and what these 'too scummy to be scum' markers are)

also, don't agree a dual lynch is necessary today even if it would provide more information heading into the night. and seeing as we're having a hard enough time deciding on a single lynch, i don't see us deciding on two.

though in all honesty, if sky is getting lynched today, i wouldn't mind seeing a second lynch used on drezi

[zMuffinMan]

my iso

paraphrasing here, tell me if i missed something:

"HEY MUFFIN LOOK AT THIS SCUMFUCK"
"LOOK HOW SCUMFUCKY HE IS"
"SEE THIS SCUMFUCKERY? IT'S SCUMFUCKTASTIC"

tell me if i missed parts of your case

[Drezi]

Just in case Muffin is killed next night, I think he should leave behind a list for us, so we'll still know who should be lynched each coming day. Including advised night vig targets would be preferred.

[zMuffinMan]

I could theoretically do that in the neighbourhood (assuming you don't get lynched today) and trust you to convey the message to everyone!

But I don't think my reads are so important that I need to do that.

Either I will be around tomorrow or I won't, and if I'm not, then my opinions aren't any more or less valid than the rest of the game's.

[zMuffinMan]

Also, theoretically, you should think any list I include would not be worth following (seeing as I think you're scum and all)

[thdgkdms]

Lily was about to ask when Drezi stopped thinking that zMuffinMan was scummy enough for Drezi to ask zMuffinMan about zMuffinMan's reads but Lily found out that zMuffinMan made a similar statement before Lily could since Lily was checking over Drezi's ISO to make sure that a radical change in opinion hadn't actually occurred.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.11

• ooba [6] - Kilgamayan, thdgkdms, Sakura Hana, Shadoweh, GuyInFreezer, notscience
  
• notscience [0] -
  
• Malakittens [0] -
  
• Shadoweh [0] -
  
• GuyInFreezer [0] -
  
• pieguyn [0] -
  
• Sakura Hana [1] - Kilgamayan
  
• Ankamius [0] -
  
• Katsuki [0] -
  
• SXTLHGaiden [0] -
  
• ActionDan [0] -
  
• thdgkdms [0] -
  
• SB [0] -
  
• Sky_Paladin [6] - Kilgamayan, pieguyn, Katsuki, Sakura Hana, Ankamius, SB
  
• Drezi [3] - Kilgamayan, Sky_Paladin, zMuffinMan
  
• Kilgamayan [0] -
  
• Rylai Crestfall [0] -
  
• zMuffinMan [1] - Drezi
  
• Kagami [2] - ActionDan, ooba

Not Voting [4]

- SXTLHGaiden, Malakittens, Rylai Crestfall, Kagami

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch

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Deadline is March 5, 2015, at Noon PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2015-03-05 14:00:00)

[Shadoweh]

Why are there even people just not voting, I do not get you people. <_<
I am not averse to a Drezi lynch but i am really against this Not Voting wagon, they should commit to someone actually lynchable today. Come on you slowbros. Sky P, ooba, Drezi. I really don't think Kagami is going to happen but weirder things have happened I guess.

I also lol'd at the guy in a neighbourhood with zMuf asking him to leave reads in thread.

[Drezi]

I also lol'd at the guy in a neighbourhood with zMuf asking him to leave reads in thread.

[Rylai Crestfall]

Welp, in my half hour lunch break I've managed to read 3 people's isos

Kagami - Town
Mala - Who?
GIF - Who?

Wouldn't mind either of the who dying atm, and I've also been thinking this over and think it's probably best to do this now

Declare Spellcard! Light Magic 「Star Maelstrom」!

[Sky_Paladin]

NotScience

HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

I wanted to get a reason for Rylai's vote and I wanted to remove all emotional reasoning from it. Not surprisingly, he unvoted once emotion was taken away, and now apparently has no scum read or vote. That's an issue that should be taken up probably in day 2. I wanted to see if I could get Sakura to specifically outline why she is scum reading me for generally the same reason - I want to see if she had a reason to vote me other than 'because you said I am scum'.

I am more scum reading Sakura for her insistence that everything I said about her is true, and that it is scummy for me to make accurate observations about her game state, when her game state appears to be 'scummy'. Yes I'm aware she's played fifty games check her wiki graduated at the top of her class in the navy seals with over 300 confirmed kills etc blah blah blah I've played a heap of games too. Changing votes - not defending your votes - not explaining votes - not explaining reads - going back on your reads - these are all things I've questioned over the years and sometimes they yield results.

I accept that Anki's vote, while terrible because it didn't outline why he was picking me over Ooba, was intended to be a consolidation vote and it's very difficult to argue scum intent behind it.

Katsuki is a troll that hasn't contributed anything to the game except please-don't-lynch-Ooba and Sky-is-totes-scum which isn't really good enough since his magical scumread of Ooba will never occur while Ooba is not posting content. I don't think there's value in engaging with him.

I think there's probably some value in going through Pie's wall for this same reason and I do have time today.

My intent was not speciifcally to avoid hammer. My intent was to avoid claim. Which I may do so in the next hour or so since Muffin has called for it :/

Cut

OK.

[Katsuki]

my iso

paraphrasing here, tell me if i missed something:

"HEY MUFFIN LOOK AT THIS SCUMFUCK"
"LOOK HOW SCUMFUCKY HE IS"
"SEE THIS SCUMFUCKERY? IT'S SCUMFUCKTASTIC"

tell me if i missed parts of your case

That looks like a rock solid case to me! (aside from reasonings provided but those aren't important)

[Katsuki]

Katsuki is a troll

and somehow that was a basis for a scumread, amongst other BS reasoning.

[zMuffinMan]

since Muffin has called for it

i called for it to make potential decisions easier

and because i believe unnecessarily keeping claims hidden is useless

when you're getting run up and likely to be lynched, it's probably a good idea to not leave claims to the last minute, especially if you think you have something important to share with the class

[Sky_Paladin]

Muffin

I asked Drezi to clarify if his role was unlimited shot investigator and he was vague about it. It strikes me as odd. If you asked me under threat of hammer what my role does, I will bloody well tell you what my role does because not dead > dead. (Although in my situation with SB having a sneak peak at some part/all of my role, he can just leak it in to his QT).

Muffin

if it were my decision and my decision alone, i would say fuck it and just pick two people who aren't sky. but i have a feeling that would make some people not very happy

It's your spell card, you should do whatever you want with it and worry about the consequences only if you can't justify your actions. I do agree the time remaining may be short. With the number of double voters in play, you can probably secure a double lynch, and I agree that is optimal for town.

SB

I mainly unvoted because I was worried about confbiasing and what Sky said fit with my card results but after pie's explanation and realising that Sky basically began to ignore me besides wondering if I'd help him out after I unvoted is kind of worrying?

This is pretty bizarre because Pie's wall doesn't stand up under the most basic scrutiny. I didn't ignore you, you didn't post after we mutually unvoted, and I went on to pursue other things.
Guess I'm confused because you're now town-reading Serene, null on Ooba, town on me, but voted me. Ara?

Katsuki

and somehow that was a basis for a scumread, amongst other BS reasoning.

I didn't know you were a troll when you posted your role. I only found out after observing your play from then.

Muffin

and because i believe unnecessarily keeping claims hidden is useless

6/6 hmm

[FakeGod]

Declare Spellcard! Light Magic 「Star Maelstrom」!

Spellcard declaration acknowledged.

[FakeGod]

All visits in the coming Night Phase will be made public at the end of the Night Phase.

[FakeGod]

Rylai Crestfall cannot be targeted by spellcards in this Day Phase.

[Sky_Paladin]

I got my first pick.

I am Konpaku Youmu, and I have three spellcards + an ability.

Paraphrasing:

I am half human/half youkai, meaning cards that target humans only or youkai only may fail.

I have:
One conditional vig shot: The condition is: Will fail if targeting humans.
One investigator shot: This is the reason that I don't buy Drezi's claim because he wanted to imply that his role is either way too OP, and I think he deliberately left some spell cards out.
One voteblock shot (public, day use): I can stop a player from voting. I elected not to use it this day phase because I felt it would be more useful mid-late game, once I had in mind players that had dangerous vote abilities and disagreed with their votes. EG Sakura. But then Sakura voted me so I couldn't use it even if I wanted to. I kind of feel that my card is supposed to stop one of Sakura/Kilga/Shadoweh, so naturally I'm suspicious of them. Except for Shadoweh, who I believe is town.

My ability is: Conditionally immune to vig/lynch. The condition is the only thing I want to keep private, although SB knows it and I bet Kagami does too. I've seen Lily's imply they are going to be here forever, so I believed they have some conditional lynch immunity too. I said that it is beneficial to town because I had planned to use the conditional immunity in the right kind of LYLO to self vote and provoke a scum hammer, when it was really not hammer. SB 100% knows the condition and can confirm I am telling the truth.

Seeing as I thought I had been vigged, you can safely presume that I can be lynched and vigged today >.>;;

This is also why I believed that Katsuki actually true-claimed when he said he was bulletproof-unlynchable, because at face value I thought "Aha, he must be the other half of my conditional unlynchable unviggable." Since he claimed SK in a game that has no SK, I assumed he was scum, because on Shrine Maiden, scum often claim ITP and live; this looks like the normal scum get-out-of-jail-card. And I figured if we have two halves, and I am town, the other may be scum, so that's why I psuedo-sorted him into scum in my first list of reads. This was apparently sufficient for Katsuki to go moon-Kiene on me so I don't mind if we test Katsuki's unlynchable claim sometime soon. I am lynchable today, so I bet Katsuki isn't. And that's why I'm not interested in pushing a lynch on him today.

[zMuffinMan]

I asked Drezi to clarify if his role was unlimited shot investigator and he was vague about it.

i know. that could be because he's scum being deliberately vague to play up the value of his role and seem important (so as not to get lynched). or it could be town being deliberately vague to keep scum guessing.

it's rather annoying, imo, but i can't force him to reveal his role and, by itself, it's not necessarily scum- or town-motivated

*shrug*

i think he's scum and i don't mind seeing him lynched today

[zMuffinMan]

I want to clarify that I have not lied in my claim in any shape or form

also i chuckled at this line because i believe this to be true

[Rylai Crestfall]

this Day Phase.

Welp, guess who misread part of their PM. I thought it made me immune during night phase. W/e