Mini 1648: Mafia in the Noose Factory. (Game Over)

[Cheery Dog]

Vote Count 1.21

randommidget: (3) tip, Slandaar, ploben

(L-2)

tip: (5) randommidget, Kaboose, Ponystar17, Zebulin, House
Zebulin: (1) pisskop
ploben: (3) BlueBloodedToffee, Boonskiies, MonkeyMan576

Not Voting: curiouskamadog

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-03-11 19:13:20)

Mod Notes:

[Ponystar17]

curiouskarmadog, I would like you to look over tip's post history and consider whether or not you're willing to vote him. I will warn you that voting him would put him at L-1, but I don't feel that that's a problem at this point in the game.

I mildly dislike the ploben wagon because MonkeyMan is on it. I'm still willing to vote to prevent NL or on a future day, though, since I'm more confident that ploben is scum than that MonkeyMan is.

[Zebulin]

if you are voting someone, tell me why. I will assume that if you post after me asking for this and you dont explain (or restate) your vote/case that you dont really believe your case/vote and that is scummy.

MM? PIss? Zeb?

Will do after school. I want a tip lynch and am ok with a ploben (scummy), randomidget (gives us tons of insight on tip's alignment), or MonkeyMan (scummy) lynch in that order.

[ploben]

I mildly dislike the ploben wagon because MonkeyMan is on it. I'm still willing to vote to prevent NL or on a future day, though, since I'm more confident that ploben is scum than that MonkeyMan is.

Explain this logic to me:
You dislike the wagon on me because MonkeyMan is on it (I'm assuming you think he's scum), but you're willing to vote on me just to lynch someone today, but you're "more confident that ploben is scum than that MonkeyMan is.", yet your vote sits on tip.

Can someone please explain to me what tip has done which warrants two people voting him over people who have actually acted scummily?

Can YOU please explain to me why your vote is on him then?

I feel okay with a lynch on any of tip, Monkey, or ploben in light of ploben's ridiculous opportunism. My vote will thus go to whichever wagon is largest when I log off before the deadline, unless we lynch before then or more points of interest are raised.

You want to talk about opportunistic? I think your quote is a shining example of it right there.

[ploben]

I'm really starting to understand tip's frustration.

[House]

if you are voting someone, tell me why. I will assume that if you post after me asking for this and you dont explain (or restate) your vote/case that you dont really believe your case/vote and that is scummy.

MM? PIss? Zeb?

Will do after school. I want a tip lynch and am ok with a ploben (scummy), randomidget (gives us tons of insight on tip's alignment), or MonkeyMan (scummy) lynch in that order.

This post makes me think that Randomidget is town and Zebulin would like to either get tip lynched today or use Randomidget's flip to sell his lynch later.

VOTE: Zebulin

[Zebulin]

if you are voting someone, tell me why. I will assume that if you post after me asking for this and you dont explain (or restate) your vote/case that you dont really believe your case/vote and that is scummy.

MM? PIss? Zeb?

Will do after school. I want a tip lynch and am ok with a ploben (scummy), randomidget (gives us tons of insight on tip's alignment), or MonkeyMan (scummy) lynch in that order.

This post makes me think that Randomidget is town and Zebulin would like to either get tip lynched today or use Randomidget's flip to sell his lynch later.

VOTE: Zebulin

Of course I want to get tip lynched! I think he's scum! You want to lynch the people you think are scum, don't you?

[House]

if you are voting someone, tell me why. I will assume that if you post after me asking for this and you dont explain (or restate) your vote/case that you dont really believe your case/vote and that is scummy.

MM? PIss? Zeb?

Will do after school. I want a tip lynch and am ok with a ploben (scummy), randomidget (gives us tons of insight on tip's alignment), or MonkeyMan (scummy) lynch in that order.

This post makes me think that Randomidget is town and Zebulin would like to either get tip lynched today or use Randomidget's flip to sell his lynch later.

VOTE: Zebulin

Of course I want to get tip lynched! I think he's scum! You want to lynch the people you think are scum, don't you?

Nah. This doesn't read like town selling a wagon at all. You look like scum trying to dispose of a threat.

[Zebulin]

if you are voting someone, tell me why. I will assume that if you post after me asking for this and you dont explain (or restate) your vote/case that you dont really believe your case/vote and that is scummy.

MM? PIss? Zeb?

Alright.

To summarize, the reason I think tip is scum is the amazingly small contributions in every post he has posted. He let's the town stall, and he doesn't have post full of content for anything except defending himself or lashing out at the in-game attackers (mainly me and Ponystar). While the low content could just be a player not that intrested in the game, the huge jump in effort when he's the most pressured player in the game strikes me as really suspicious. He also has used strawman defenses on numerous occasions, mainly toward Ponystar ("This player's stupid, so all her points are invalid!") and tunnels the players on his wagon.

Very Town:
Town:

Ponystar17, Kaboose

Leaning Town:

Slandaar, Boonskiies, curiouskarmadog

Null:

randomidget, House, pisskop, BlueBloodedToffee

Leaning Scum:

MonkeyMan576

Scum:

ploben, tip

Very Scum:

[Slandaar]

Guys, please, lynch midget.

[pisskop]

no I meant if the day were to end right then...with two people at 4 votes, which would have had the rope?

I don't think tip is scum. Don't townread him, but not willing to throw away a lynch on a hussled wagon.

I want Rando, Zeb, and then Plob. Plob is more for his flip info. He's neutral, like tip.

[Ponystar17]

I mildly dislike the ploben wagon because MonkeyMan is on it. I'm still willing to vote to prevent NL or on a future day, though, since I'm more confident that ploben is scum than that MonkeyMan is.

Explain this logic to me:
You dislike the wagon on me because MonkeyMan is on it (I'm assuming you think he's scum), but you're willing to vote on me just to lynch someone today, but you're "more confident that ploben is scum than that MonkeyMan is.", yet your vote sits on tip.

There is nothing wrong with this. I'm most confident of all that tip is scum, but you're my second best guess on scum. MonkeyMan is a reasonably close third.

Can someone please explain to me what tip has done which warrants two people voting him over people who have actually acted scummily?

Can YOU please explain to me why your vote is on him then?

ISO me. I've explained plenty of reasons why I voted tip,

after

I said this. This is misrep, and cements my opinion of you as scum.

I feel okay with a lynch on any of tip, Monkey, or ploben in light of ploben's ridiculous opportunism. My vote will thus go to whichever wagon is largest when I log off before the deadline, unless we lynch before then or more points of interest are raised.

You want to talk about opportunistic? I think your quote is a shining example of it right there.

More misrep. You keep saying "oh, no, my previous opinion was completely wrong, let's lynch this person who everyone thinks is scum at the moment instead." I'm saying that I'm happy with a lynch on any of these, because I think they're all scum. In fact, I will endeavor to push all of these wagons, I simply don't believe it matters much which of you dies on Day 1.

[curiouskarmadog]

no I meant if the day were to end right then...with two people at 4 votes, which would have had the rope?

I don't think tip is scum. Don't townread him, but not willing to throw away a lynch on a hussled wagon.

I want Rando, Zeb, and then Plob. Plob is more for his flip info. He's neutral, like tip.

interesting, so you know where I was going with this question?

[Kaboose]

I refuse to put up with tip.

VOTE: tip

See you folks d2.

So you're admitting no chance that you're NKd?

What a scummy way to twist my post.

There's obviously a chance, if scum is stupid. I've been nk'ed as town, like, once... and that was because scum was dumb.

I'm more a target for mislynches than nk's by far.

I think I'd rather my townies be NK targets than mislynch targets...

[curiouskarmadog]

Guys, please, lynch midget.

why? what is that case? Consider I am new, so spell it out for me, read him in ISO and dont see a case.


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In other news, I am reading tip as new, not necessarily scum. What is that scum action that MAKES him scum again?

[curiouskarmadog]

vote ploben

he looks awful opportunistic...and antsy?

if you take out his votes on VIs/wagons in this game...what has he done?

[curiouskarmadog]

curiouskarmadog, I would like you to look over tip's post history and consider whether or not you're willing to vote him. I will warn you that voting him would put him at L-1, but I don't feel that that's a problem at this point in the game.

thanks for the warning...if you think he is scum, why bother to warning me? I mean if he is scum, why give a shit?

"I think Bob murdered a coven of nuns, but careful if you agree with me that he is guilty, he might be punished"

[House]

I refuse to put up with tip.

VOTE: tip

See you folks d2.

So you're admitting no chance that you're NKd?

What a scummy way to twist my post.

There's obviously a chance, if scum is stupid. I've been nk'ed as town, like, once... and that was because scum was dumb.

I'm more a target for mislynches than nk's by far.

I think I'd rather my townies be NK targets than mislynch targets...

Unfortunately, we can't pick who draws town role PM's.

If we could, I never would.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Votes on Ploben please.

[Ponystar17]

curiouskarmadog, I would like you to look over tip's post history and consider whether or not you're willing to vote him. I will warn you that voting him would put him at L-1, but I don't feel that that's a problem at this point in the game.

thanks for the warning...if you think he is scum, why bother to warning me? I mean if he is scum, why give a shit?

"I think Bob murdered a coven of nuns, but careful if you agree with me that he is guilty, he might be punished"

Mostly to see how you reacted. I think I feel okay with reading you as leaning town now. I'd still prefer if you voted tip since we're closer to getting a lynch on him, but ploben is definitely an okay lynch too.

PS: the case against randomidget is mostly composed of two things.
a) He lurks a lot. This is objectively true, and he probably deserves a policy lynch for it, but there are more important people to kill.
b) In #136, tip suggests that we vote randomidget. In #141, randomidget votes tip. This could easily be interpreted as OMGUS, considering the utter lack of explanation as to why.

However, considering how their interactions have gone, my personal opinion is that one of them and exactly one of them is scum, and I'm confident that tip is scum. Therefore randomidget is

probably

town by association.

[Boonskiies]

no I meant if the day were to end right then...with two people at 4 votes, which would have had the rope?

I don't think tip is scum. Don't townread him, but not willing to throw away a lynch on a hussled wagon.

I want Rando, Zeb, and then Plob. Plob is more for his flip info. He's neutral, like tip.

You'd rather Rando, but your votes on Zeb? See, I like the Zeb over Rando, but that's why I've never voted Rando and have been pushing for Zeb all day.

[pisskop]

Zeb has responded to most of the pushing on his slot; Rando has not.
. Why the rush for a dominant wagon? There are 2 strong wagons already. Well, tips is kind of weaksauce, but its popular.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Pisskop and curious your votes are wasted.

Do something with them.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

& House as well.

[House]

& House as well.

Pretty happy with where my vote is.

If you really want me to move it, I can put it on you instead?