Mini 1651: One Flew Over The Monkey's Nest(Scum Wins!)

[Aquanim]

Stuff on eektor:

-Wishy washy stance on Taly in #278.
-Drops it later in favor of myko, IL and aqua. But in that post (#537) he says "even though I have my doubts," which lets him come back later if it looks like nobody else will get lynched today.
-#630 looks like eektor setting up a wagon on two players pushing Taly after Taly flips town. He even puts the onus for this on Taly ("according to Taly...") This also makes sense with his somewhat-dropping of his read on Taly.
-More setting up pushes on players following a Taly townflip in #828, this time Taly asked for it (though I will point out that I had already talked in the thread about how this doesn't help town).

@Elyse

I think tool wanted your thoughts on these.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright, let's do it.

VOTE: Mykonian

[Metalcyanide]

Lets hope I'm drastically wrong about RC and my weak read is right VOTE: Mykonian

[Aquanim]

I kind of want to but I don't think there'd be six votes for Mykonian and trying to switch at this stage feels like it'd be inviting a no-lynch. I'll be sorrier if Metal's town than I would be if we lynched Mykonian and he flipped town but...

[Aquanim]

That being said, the latest I think I can be here is a bit under 14 hours from now, which I believe is about 2 hours before deadline; if Mykonian were at L-1 at some time between now and then I would hammer.

[Aquanim]

EBWOP: Obviously, if he's put at L-1 and then it goes back while I'm asleep, I won't be hammering him then.

[RadiantCowbells]

My interpretation of the game state is one in which I'm not too unhappy with a no lynch.

[TheDudeAbides]

I kind of want to lynch TheDudeAbides just for that.

I'm sorry you want to lynch someone I think is town, but I guess that's life.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm sick of Taly's self-centered/woe is me/entitled approach to the game.

Let's lynch him.

Why do you think this is a scum approach to the game?

I don't.

As far as not voting metal for not knowing a potential role list - he's shown again and again he is unfamiliar with normal mechanics and I don't see it as more likely to come from either alignment.

That is absolutely something that is talked about in the scum qt.

[TheDudeAbides]

No biters on Boon?
I will be on again before the dead line and I'll move my vote if necessary with a preference of IL over Eektor

[Aquanim]

@TDA

would you vote Mykonian?

[Aquanim]

I'm sick of Taly's self-centered/woe is me/entitled approach to the game.

Let's lynch him.

Why do you think this is a scum approach to the game?

I don't.

As far as not voting metal for not knowing a potential role list - he's shown again and again he is unfamiliar with normal mechanics and I don't see it as more likely to come from either alignment.

That is absolutely something that is talked about in the scum qt.

It's also absolutely something which a scumbuddy would tell him "ask this in the thread for free town points".

[Aquanim]

Well, I'm out for the night. Hopefully I wake up for deadline in the event it's necessary.

[mykonian]

I'll also note that Mykonian seems to

know

I'm town. I'm probably not the best judge of this - does anyone think that is an unreasonable position for him to hold if he's town?

I assume you to be one.

I kind of want to but I don't think there'd be six votes for Mykonian and trying to switch at this stage feels like it'd be inviting a no-lynch. I'll be sorrier if Metal's town than I would be if we lynched Mykonian and he flipped town but...

But this post gets hilarious in that context. I love hypocrites.

[pisskop]

counterclaim

one shot pre-game cop. TheDudeisscum.

vote thedude

on a more serious note

, I don't like eektor.

Is this the one you're referring to? Because this is not a serious counterclaim. Like, intrinsically.

We all kind of glossed over TDA/RC cop bit.

[pisskop]

vote: IL

Following my heart. His early play is full of potholes

[pisskop]

vote: IL

[Metalcyanide]

@MOD

can we get an updated vote count to see how far off we are from a lynch

[mykonian]

2 and 3, I think.

[TheDudeAbides]

I won't be able to get back tonight.

Vote: IL

[toolenduso]

Wait, maybe RC has a point. Worst case scenario:

-We lynch town today.
-Pisskop shoots a townie tonight.
-Scum kills a townie tonight.
-We wake up tomorrow with 8 players left, 3 of which are presumably scum -- MyLo.

Worst case scenario if we no lynch today:

-Pisskop shoots a townie at night.
-Scum kills a townie at night.
-We wake up tomorrow with 9 players left, 3 of which are presumably scum.
-We can afford one mislynch, after which we go to LyLo.

Obviously this turns out better if we lynch scum, if pisskop shoots scum, if a scum kill gets blocked, etc.

But by no lynching now, what we're basically doing is making the worst case scenario just a little bit better for town, right? Because we shift today's lynch to tomorrow, after which we would have two townies removed from the pool of possible mislynches.

This is making sense to me right now. Does anybody have a good reason why we should lynch today instead?

[pisskop]

We should lynch today. We are not nolynching. I will hold my shot.

[toolenduso]

Well that changes things.

UNVOTE: eektor

VOTE: Metalcyanide

Eektor's lynch doesn't appear possible, and while I would rather see him lynched I do see the case for Metal too based on interactions with Taly.

[Metalcyanide]

Well that changes things.

UNVOTE: eektor

VOTE: Metalcyanide

Eektor's lynch doesn't appear possible, and while I would rather see him lynched I do see the case for Metal too based on interactions with Taly.

What interactions? I had a weak scum read on him and asked a few questions.

[Metalcyanide]

We should lynch today. We are not nolynching. I will hold my shot.

Say we no lynch, will you use your shot?