New York 182 - Game Over

[Seohyun]

Ok, on page 30, and my reads on everyone are:
Albert/Notscience- Not enough posts at this point, leaning slightly town from Notscience's first couple posts though
Antihero- I can't read him. I'm thinking town tho
Boonskiis- No posts.
Choof/TheFuzzy- No read.
Copper- He reads town, his analysis and playstyle this game feels town to me
Elusive- SCUM. Nearly all of his posts up to that point feel scummy to me.
Flubber- No read, feels like lurking via fluff, although a couple content posts
Gorkington- A strong town read for this one
House- His playstyle confuses me, but I'm leaning scum
Kitten/Droog- Got a noob town read from Kitten's posts
Marquis- Not enough posts for me to be conclusive here
OkaPoka- Slight scum read
Pisskop- Slightly scummy, but not sure
Seohyun- So much lurk.
Thor665- I get a helpful town read on him
Varsoon- Ugh. I feel scum, but then his play after "Not actually hated, just wanted to survive. plz dont hurt me" reads town
ZZZX- Slight town read, from his few posts so far.

for now, VOTE: Elusive

why does zzzx get slight town read
doesn't even make any sense

[Seohyun]

i am good with this vote
VOTE: mnemonicdevice

[Gorkington]

I'm not good with your vote though.
VOTE: Seohyun

Why did you take so long to get on this wagon given that you were on it on D1?
Why is slightly townreading ZZZX being off the only thing you have to say about him?
Are you going to be a bish like pisskop and ignore questions because you think you're better than everyone else in the game?

Let me know .

[Gorkington]

[Also, don't get mad pisskop, I'm just kidding. You're still not making it to D3 though.]

[Thor665]

I don't understand the case on Otolia.
And Sakura forgot to buddy Anti in favor of buddying me, remember?

wow much strong case 10/10.

Why is the case weak?

Thor, much of your conversation particularly with me revolves around choof.
[snip]
So maybe instead of calling me a liar, get your facts straight cupcake.

I agree, you asked me why I asked Choof some questions and we had a *lengthy* conversation about Choof.
That said - you claimed I made a bad case on Choof.

Quote the case?
Liar.

Hell, quote me offering my opinion on the alignment of the slot, even without a case?
Liar, liar, pants on fire and knows it and is desperate dodging.

Also why is Thor not a bad lynch choice?

Because flipped scum hard buddied me?
Duh.

[Thor665]

I would have joined you on choof until he actually replaced out.
Now the slot is just reading newb to me, and not scum.

@Elusive - this is the most I have on the "case" on Choof.
I don't think any other "Case" exists.
Want to explain how bad and terrible this "case" is?
So bad that you called it out?

Liar.

[elusive]

Why aren't you voting me, then?

By case I meant that most of your discussion revolved around choof or copper because of his comments on choof. So it seemed like you were using choof as some sort of way to figure out scum or something whether in me or copper.

Therefore, where is your vote and what did all that questioning about choof lead you to?

[elusive]

I assume that people who are asking questions to the degree that you did come to some sort of case or thoughts on the fruit of their labors? Where is it?

Oh and cupcake, Loki's still the hot one.

[Thor665]

Why aren't you voting me, then?

Because I'm voting Anti - who I am also calling scum.
What sort of question is this? It would make sense if I wasn't voting anyone, or if I'd naked sheeped, or if I hadn't indicated belief in my current vote - but none of those things are happening.
Making this an empty noise response.
What is your point?
Why do you think I should scumread you over Anti?

By case I meant that most of your discussion revolved around choof

or copper because of his comments on choof. So it seemed like you were using choof as some sort of way to figure out scum or something whether in me or copper.

Show any evidence that supports this belief?
Any at all?
Also;

@Bold -

Therefore, where is your vote and what did all that questioning about choof lead you to?

Again, an empty question.
Followed by a question that you asked me before...or don't you recall the point of our long conversation about Choof? You literally have asked me this multiple times and my stated answer has never changed.
I asked him about Choof because I thought his meta was bullhooey.
Later, Copper flat out admitted that I was correct in this thought.
I then indicated to him that I found that sketchy and moved on from the conversation.
It never had anything to do with Choof, it had everything to do with Copper.
I got a scum lean read on Copper from it, but have found no additional scum looking actions at this point.

[Thor665]

Also, I am pretty sure that last post is admission of lying on your part.

Unless you meant "by talking to Copper and Elusive about Choof you are terrible"
Which makes even less sense than the lie of "your Choof case is terrible".

[Thor665]

I assume that people who are asking questions to the degree that you did come to some sort of case or thoughts on the fruit of their labors? Where is it?

There.

@Thor
In that sense any tell is gut, you have to interpret what you read so your thought process influences it, I claimed I made that townread with the help of reading his meta, which is what I did, if you want to claim there is another way to use meta that relies less on gut and more on direct comparison of scum vs town meta I agree but that is not what I said, that's you projecting what you think meta cases should be on how I used meta.

Actually it's projecting what most people think meta cases are.
Functionally what you said was "I read Choof...I think he's town" except that you then added a lot of bells and whistles to make the read look more concrete.
Except you can't even explain how you got the read.
Meaning it is the opposite of concrete.
Making me suspect of you for adding the bells and whistles.

[pisskop]

[Also, don't get mad pisskop, I'm just kidding. You're still not making it to D3 though.]

Gorky's being mean to me

[elusive]

Lying is such an uncouth word, Thord. So uncouth.

I'm not sure what you're asking me?

I think we have a difference in interpretation?

[elusive]

Or I think copper made a genuine case about choof and I don't get your case on him?

[Gorkington]

Because flipped scum hard buddied me?
Duh.

You're not supposed to reveal Sakura's strategy you jerk. Now people know that I'm scum too.

Gorky's being mean to me

You started it! Hnnnnnn.

If I could get a second pair of eyes on Seo's ISO that'd be amazeballs.
I find a lot of what he's said so far this game pretty empty and his hesitance to jump on Otolia D2 when he was on that vote all of D1 feels too cautious/might be a reaction to the nightkills.

[pisskop]

Seo is playing pretty bad, but maybe its relative. Im playing better than him and Im playing bad for me. Maybe he's playing good for him.

[Gorkington]

Do you find it odd at all that he waited/acknowledged the Otolia wagon before getting on it if he was voting him for basically all of the latter half of D1 iirc?

[pisskop]

439 his vote, serious for a brief playstyle
685 his pushing
988 moar push
moar otalia.

2 Theories
Otalia placed out. Was waiting.
Scumbag.

Interesting he didnt talk about it.

vote: Seo

[Thor665]

Lying is such an uncouth word, Thord. So uncouth.

I'm not sure what you're asking me?

I think we have a difference in interpretation?

Depends - do we agree that this is another dodge?

Or I think copper made a genuine case about choof and I don't get your case on him?

I get that you believe that.
Do you get that Copper agreed with me that he sort of just...created his read?
I mean, sure, like him, you can debate whether it is actually scummy or not - but the issue I had with his case he agrees that he did (agrees, albeit, after extensive questioning to get him to admit it, natch).

And, yeah, you are a filthy, scummy, liar.

[ika]

@thor, elusive is town dont even try

[Thor665]

Try what?
I flat out caught Elusive lying to the point where "case on Choof" means "way you talked about Choof a lot when I asked you about Choof and when Copper was dodging answering your question so you had to ask it a few times"

Is that normal town Elusive lying? I could buy that if you can back it up.

[ika]

Try what?
I flat out caught Elusive lying to the point where "case on Choof" means "way you talked about Choof a lot when I asked you about Choof and when Copper was dodging answering your question so you had to ask it a few times"

Is that normal town Elusive lying? I could buy that if you can back it up.

shes not lying though? she gave you direct quotes iirc but you just seem to not be accepting it.

your agruing smatics with her and its stupid and pointless.

as for backign it up i have played games with her offsite long enough to where if she was scum it would be shown by a mile

[Thor665]

shes not lying though? she gave you direct quotes iirc but you just seem to not be accepting it.

No - that's not what happened.
She gave quotes where I used the name "Choof" in the post.
She *failed* to show my case on Choof.
She also *failed* to show that it was "Terrible" (which she had earlier claimed)
She then said that when she had said "case" she meant "talking about Choof - even though it had nothing to do with my opinion on Choof's alignment"
Meaning that, either, she was lying, or that she honestly thinks that's what qualifies as a "case" and *also* that me talking about Choof with anyone (including her, when she *asked* me to talk about Choof) qualifies as "terrible".

Do you think that's all legit?

[Thor665]

as for backign it up i have played games with her offsite long enough to where if she was scum it would be shown by a mile

And this does beg for clarity and links.
I'd be happy to clear her and ignore her terribad pushes and weird definitions for the rest of the game if she's indeed town.

I'd also be happy if you actually read things and didn't gloss over where she, basically, flat out admitted that she was lying and/or that she has werid definitions - instead of acting like I'm the one missing something when you leap in to defend her - I will admit that makes me leery of your ability to read her...because you're apparently not reading her.

Still - case? (and I mean "case" as in 'reason to think someone is town or scum' - not some other variation of that word)

[mnemonicdevice]

@Seo: Reasons why ZZZX feels town to me-
Gut feel from one content containing post