Open 589: Duck Duck Goose (Game Over: Somebody Won)

[talah]

Nether I don't understand what the point you're pushing here is. Why am I scummy?

[talah]

I *actually* don't fucking know

[talah]

See you tomorrow, it's late, you have dave and Kaboose keeping you company on this wagon and no reads on either, have fun.

[Netherspite]

You claim that willing to lynch your "null but dubious" read in the third priority is okay.
I don't believe it's normal or sane.

[talah]

Oh I didn't log out yet and you didn't answer this:

Your Day 1 third preference for a lynch is a strong scumread?

What was your third preference Day 1?

[Netherspite]

At which point exactly? Because my reads changed through the day.

[talah]

The strong third scumread who you insist must exist to be acceptable for lynch.

[talah]

You're keeping me up nether and your arguments arent making any more fucking sense

[Netherspite]

If I remember correctly I never had more than 2 preferences for the lynch during the D1.
I never had "top third lynch". Because I never had more than 2 strong enough scumreads at the same time.
I expect any sane person to do the same: to never will to lynch someone you're not scumreading strong enough.

PEdit:

I'm not keeping you up. I'm just answering to you.
I stated that I wait for the others' opinion. If I'm over-reacting to the thing that can be normal I won't insist on this point.
Right now I didn't see anyone saying that willing to lynch someone (in the third place) you have as null-scum read is okay.

[talah]

At the time Vettrock was scum enough with the thought that HB was either scum or town. I wasnt fond of Vettrock's answer to me regarding him "saying nothing" and I thought you'd been bland in responses too.

I thought odd was scum and pushed that way. I also wasn't blithely discounting the possibility that Vettrock might be scum but I thought odd was more likely scum and that Vett was the counterwagon.

Earlier in the day I gave my preferences for lynch and they included Vettrock. However this was not a strong read and was in fact a mention I made to oddmusic who I was pushing, who was also seeing Vettrock as possible-scum.

You're now saying that I should have been pushing Vettrock harder to be able to call him third-tier scum?

I pushed him exactly as hard as I thought him scum. Which wasn't altogether scummy but was more scummy than I was reading anyone else. AKA nullscum.

What exactly are you pushing here Nether? That I should have been pushing him more to not push him?

[pisskop]

you guys spent all night talking

[pisskop]

And talking I mean dancing around.

[pisskop]

Gonna haveta work on moar ISOs.

[talah]

You do that, in the meantime I worked out the game: dave / Nether GG Enjoy your isos

[Netherspite]

@pisskop

For me it was rather the first half of the day than the night since it's 15:55 here at the moment

@talah

Ah, old good OMGUS, how predictable.
One more thing that makes you looking like scum.

And no, I didn't expect you to push

vettrock

for being nullscum read.
I don't see why you keep misrepresenting what I say.

I said that:
1. If you consider someone nullscum you should not want to lynch him. Yet you say that you considered him scummy enough to be your third preferred lynch. Why lynching a nullscum?
2. Despite him being your top third lynch you insist that you wasn't going to lynch him really.
3. You claim you didn't mind lynching him (not above

oddmusic

, though) yet you attempted to protect him. It may have looked like you're curious about

Honey bee

and

GreyICE

reasons to vote him yet it looked exactly like a defense.

These three points still stand.

[talah]

1) if you're voting me I know you either have an incorrect read on me or are scum
2) OMGUS is not a scumtell, it's what scum pushes on town as a scumtell
3) you're not even saying why you're voting me considering your initial point that my read hadn't evolved naturally, that's not a misrepresentation, that's fact - you've spent the last three or four hours avoiding saying what your actual reason for scumreading me is

Answering:

Why lynching nullscum? Because nullscum greater than other reads, and not lynching, prepared to lynch if needed.

Beside being my top third lynch not really lynching him? Well that's just what I said, not really lynching him, just prepared to lynch him.

Hm protecting him? Why protect him instead of bus him? Is he my saviour?

[Netherspite]

Town has no incentive to OMGUS. A townie wants to find scum, not to punish anyone who attacks him.

I've stated

three

reasons for scumreading you + the new one now (you OMGUSing).

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I'll summarize the inconsistences in your reads on

vettrock

because you keep misrepresenting what I say. I'll try to be as clear as possible.

I find those three options contradicting to each other:
1. To have a "null but dubious" read on someone.
2. To place someone as top three lynchee.
3. To protect someone from the lynch.
I've heard your explanations on why you consider it normal to follow all these three options simultaneously on the same person however I'm not convinced it's normal.
I still believe these options are contradictory to each other and I'd like to hear

others'

opinions on that.
If everyone will say it's normal and I'm making something out of nothing I'll admit I'm wrong.
However, if others will agree that this is not normal then I'm right.

[pisskop]

Im willing to bet Taly/Dave at this juncture.

[talah]

Town has every right to OMGUS as they know they are town.

And what you're presenting as simple OMGUS is me actually presenting that you're saying the same several things over and over without ever putting a fine point on what you're *actually* saying.

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Your only new point is 3) "protecting someone from the lynch", and that's an absolute crock of shit and I want you to explain how I was "protecting Vettrock from the lynch".

Your 1) and 2) again, are asking why I'd read someone as nullscum and still put them as a possible lynch, which makes perfect sense. Although from your own perspective you say that only tier one ad two reads may be considered lynchable.

[Netherspite]

Again misrepresenting my posts.

I'm saying the same things over and over again only because you keep misrepresenting this or that in attempt to make it looking wrong.

My point is your reads on

vettrock

were inconsistent and contradicting to each other.
Also I never said that only tier one and two reads may be considered lynchable... If you don't want to really read what I'm saying then at least stop representing it as you wish. I never said what you claim I did.

[talah]

Sir, you're the one pushing a case on me - if I don't know what the case is I can't actually respond.

[talah]

When you say inconsistent and contradicting I actually need to know how nullscum does not equal scum, how saying I'd be okay with a lynch on someone I'd previously said I'd be okay with a lynch on is not okay by you, and how exactly me wanting to know what others were doing not knowing Vettrock's flip makes me scum.

Have fun with that too, because I'm just about to flake and probably won't defend myself further.
And I haven't even looked back into your own posts.

I'm sure that will be an awesome easy spin for you considering you think OMGUS is scummy.

[Netherspite]

It should be pretty obvious by now what my case is.
If you still don't get it you're either doing it intentionally or the language barrier is that terrible... Idk.

PEdit:

I've posted three things that I consider scummy. Stop calling them with different names trying to make they look not contradicting to each other.
These three things are not sit together well. I could understand two of them together (everyone can have their own opinion, in their eyes it can be non-contradicting) but not three.

[davesaz]

@Nether: Having a 3rd lynch candidate be a null-scum is not an issue. As town I'd consider a null-town for a lynch to avoid a no-lynch. It wouldn't be a first choice...

[davesaz]

Davesaz - Do you find Talah scummy at all?

Heyyyy Dave. hi.

Gonna need to analyze more than 100 posts to be able to answer. Earlier, as in literally the last time I looked at the thread, it might have been easy. But Talah changed completely.