New York 180 (Endgame)

[T S O]

This is one of the most completely illogical things I've ever done, but... if this flips scum I don't really want to go after Marquis anymore.

[T S O]

Marquis has literally no reason to bus Aeronaut in this scenario whatsoever.

[T S O]

UNVOTE:

I'm just going to go ahead and assume no vig claim! Yay!

:/

VOTE: Aeronaut

I actually read this as voting Shinobi because I was so utterly convinced Marquis was about to do that.

:/

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: aero

No point keeping it on marques at this point. I suspect aero. Seems like a good plan.

[Marquis]

I WANT DRAGON DEAD SO MUCH RIGHT NOW BUT IF I VOTE HIM TSO'S GOING TO DUMBTUNNEL ME AGAIN

[T S O]

aaaargh

[T S O]

No, dragon's town; trust yourself, TSO.

Vote remains. Marquis, your statement is 100% true. I don't think you'd bus Aero, and I think he's scum. That's what's stopping me from voting you.

[Aeronaut]

Marquis has literally no reason to bus Aeronaut in this scenario whatsoever.

Hmmmmm......

[Aeronaut]

TSO, why would you rule out the possibility of him being an SK, and me being scum, or vice versa?

[dragonspawn]

Of course I'm town. Should I have remained on marquis with little chance of that lynch when the wagon for one of my suspects takes off shortly before a lynch

I'm not as sold on marques not bussing aero though.

[Kitz]

This is perplexing and confusing.
My vote stays.

Shímöby needs to stop going all "Ermagud I told you gaiz already ahmaaagahwd I told you, just fewking read oooooohgod".

[T S O]

TSO, why would you rule out the possibility of him being an SK, and me being scum, or vice versa?

Well, that would still make you a fantastic lynch.

[Aeronaut]

But in what world does that suddenly make Marquis town?

[SilverWolf]

I really don't believe Aero is scum. What in the world happened to make people suddenly believe that? Please give me a case here people so I can look at it. I'm only around in this game due to deadline coming up so please spell it out in words I can understand.

Marquis-Not that it matters now because we need to concentrate on a lynch, but I did read your scum neighborizer neighbourhood and I did see the manipulation you used there as scum. GM has not been manipulative in the slightest. I was very paranoid when she first neighborized me because I had been suspecting her before that but she has not tried to manipulate me and has not said anything in there I would associate with scum. Her reason for picking me made sense because she wanted to show herself to her townreads. She never once tried to get me to vote a certain way or try to sell herself as town to me-both of which I would expect from a scum neighborizer.

I really like Shinobi's answer to my question here 5335. It can across in a way that makes sense to me and combing through his ISO, I see a ton of frustration that looks genuine.

Still V/LA and going to have a hard time posting but I am concerned about the deadline looming.

Aero case from someone now please.

[SilverWolf]

VOTE: aero

No point keeping it on marques at this point. I suspect aero. Seems like a good plan.

Tell me why you suspect Aero. I will look for it in your ISO but a updated/current reason would be great.

[Marquis]

No, dragon's town; trust yourself, TSO.

Vote remains. Marquis, your statement is 100% true. I don't think you'd bus Aero, and I think he's scum. That's what's stopping me from voting you.

and i know you're probably going to kill me if i don't get lynched. whatever. as long as me leaving this game is a result of something totally out of my hands that's fine.

the only reason i am taking you as town right now is that non-consec vig with no counterclaim is the simplest solution to a huge nk result problem. i don't see maf/ww/sk or maf/sk/sk as likely given we'd probably have some crosskills or lynches by now if it wasn't singleball or maf/sk/vig.

if you really are scum your position this whole day has committed you to killing me which is the suboptimal choice for you anyway so that's good. if you're town vig and shooting me i'm okay with that too; i have no control over that so it's not as bad as getting mislynched.

all it is is that i just think you're being really dumb with your ego if town. i already know you're as wrong as can be about me. and i think dragon is scum more than aero as of this page, but aero is by far a better lynch imo than shinobi or myself.

[Marquis]

with deadline coming up soon and no extension, we need to consolidate votes, get them off the vanity wagons. not sure of actual timing but sometime this page or the next.

[goodmorning]

at least my reads aren't fucking diabolically bad.

Except that they are.

No. Read the thread.

This will be the end of me explaining my arguments to you.

I DID

YOU HAVE NOT ACTUALLY SAID ANYTHING COHERENT AGAINST ME

Not how it looks fmpov. I see a crazy person trying to lynch me because of "revisionist history" and "tracker claims lol," both of which I thought that I had adequately explained, relevancy aside.

It's kind of like a merry-go-round. I scumread you, I explained why, and then you thought it was wrong and scumread me. And then I tried to explain and it seemed like you just kept going with it, so I thought that was scummy...Etcetera.

Bizarrely, I still cannot find any instances of you saying anything coherent against me. The only explanation you have ever given for scumreading me is the following:
'Well, gm medium-scumread two people who were fighting last time we played and she was Scum. Now she medium-scumreads three people who haven't really done anything that could be described as fighting despite my claim that they have, so I think she's Scum again (even though 1 experience doesn't make a trend).'

that does not make sense

[Shinobi]

I'd say "haven't really done anything that could be described as fighting" is a stretch.

I explained why I thought it, so you losing your mind and voting me over not understanding it when you think "fighting" means something else other than "fighting" is not my problem.

[goodmorning]

Fighting is, by definition, a back-and-forth. Nothing of that nature has occurred between you and Kitz, and only one small skirmish between you and Ozgin. I really didn't want to have to waste my time proving it, but apparently I have to.

Sniping at someone does not equal fighting.

[dragonspawn]

Largely process of elimination

add to that protests of innocence early in the game. Lack of real attempt to scum hunt post day 1. And a whole lot of gut at this point.

[Shinobi]

Fighting is, by definition, a back-and-forth. Nothing of that nature has occurred between you and Kitz, and only one small skirmish between you and Ozgin. I really didn't want to have to waste my time proving it, but apparently I have to.

Sniping at someone does not equal fighting.

Even if you don't agree with Kitz (despite the fact that she's still voting me for whatever reason) there's no reason for you not to realize that the spat that happened between Ozgin and me was similar to the one between uctriton and me, even if you think it's not exactly the same.

[T S O]

I really don't believe Aero is scum. What in the world happened to make people suddenly believe that? Please give me a case here people so I can look at it. I'm only around in this game due to deadline coming up so please spell it out in words I can understand.

Inconsistent arguments regarding me is an important one: "I think you're SK for no reason but I'd like you to shoot here" like he somehow thinks that SK-TSO would be leashed, when I know that he knows that would never happen.

[T S O]

all it is is that i just think you're being really dumb with your ego if town. i already know you're as wrong as can be about me. and i think dragon is scum more than aero as of this page, but aero is by far a better lynch imo than shinobi or myself.

I can't trust you because not only am I scumreading you, everyone else I'm scumreading is backing you to the hilt. Meanwhile, dragonspawn is talking sense while someone like Ozgin is spouting nonsense. People like Aeronaut have been backing you all day today. What do you expect me to think?

[T S O]

I have yet to hear why goodmorning is town from her 'hood stuff. I want to know.