Mini 1651: One Flew Over The Monkey's Nest(Scum Wins!)

[Elyse]

@Aqua
I'm having trouble understanding how you came to the conclusion mykonian is considering Boon as certainly town. Everyone else seems to get it so I think it's just me. Can you run me through that?

I do think you make a good point that the leading wagons being Taly vs Metal and then IL vs Metal suggest Metal scum. What would a metal scumflip do to your mykonian read?

I dislike Boon's vote on tool. You could comb through anyone's ISO, quote a few posts, bullshit a few reasons, and slap a vote on. Plus, tool is one of my strongest townreads.

Also, I disagree with Mykonian being suspicious for saying not to lynch me. If anyone is pushing my lynch it is OBVIscum driven as absolutely no association flips will be told by me dying. It is only Day 2. I am a Day 4+ lynch kind of person; mykonian has some experience with me.

So basically we should reward you for lurking by letting you live to Day 4? If you're scum that's a pretty dangerous strategy. I also don't like how you are subtly pushing your own lynch back but not completely opposing it so others don't question it.

Also, why is your read on metal dependent on tool's flip? What's the connection there?

Thank you for confirming that from your perspective you claim to have Boonskiies as a hard town read, though. That makes this a fair bit easier.

Welp I guess that doesn't matter now lol you were right.

I do think that mykonian calling Boon town is ridiculous and I understand the votes but I still want to lynch metal.

[toolenduso]

Semi-crazy theory that i thought of, could you be scum. Your posts are very well thought out and read like you know a bit more than the rest of us. You wanted to kill both Odd and Taly D1 (but in fairness most of us did) and now your pushing me so 3 town pushes but are saying we need to ignore a boon lynch because it won't tell us anything. But that's just a theory

Why is it crazy (or semi-crazy) to think that Elyse could be scum?

My theory was crazy because I literally pieced the whole case together just to see reactions. Really I liked the responses from Elyse, and that's why I didn't respond to the last post from her. I was hoping more people would say something about it but not sure what I would get from people at this point so my semi-crazy theory was in fact just a crazy reaction test for Elyse.

So...why call it semi-crazy in post #1412?

So it wouldn't be fully ignored.

That makes no sense. Calling something semi-crazy doesn't make people pay attention to it. I just feel like the wording is off with that post and now you're trying to apply retroactive reasoning to it.

Which is also how I feel about Boon's case on me. Some of the points in there really look like he was going through my ISO looking for things to call scummy, as opposed to looking through it to find things indicative of my alignment.

I feel like I need a good old fashioned ISO readthrough to get my head back into this game.

I'll get to Aqua's case on mykonian next.

[toolenduso]

And yet, without really noticing, you totally ruled out Boonskiies from the pool you said you were looking for scum in. I don't think you deliberately tried to defend him, beyond saying he wasn't a good lynch today on policy... it just slipped out that pursuing Boonskiies was totally off the table for you.

Well, going over what what myko said, this does make sense. I still want to look over ISOs before I make a decision on my vote, with an eye toward how eektor fits into all of this.

I also am wary of how quickly the wagon built on mykonian.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Aqua

Tool, bus your scum buddy aqua. Mykonian's the 2nd towniest guy here, and possibly the only with a brain considering no one else can see how he is pretty much confTown; scum is 100% on his wagon.

[Boonskiies]

Aqua's pushing for a mislynch on Myko, and then he's setting it up where he can make it an 'honest' mistake, and then push a mislynch on me.

[TheDudeAbides]

I also am wary of how quickly the wagon built on mykonian.

Quick wagons are awesome.
What you should be looking at is Myk's response to the wagon.

[TheDudeAbides]

I feel like town Myk would have explained his read on me, especially after being prompted.

[TheDudeAbides]

Aqua's pushing for a mislynch on Myko, and then he's setting it up where he can make it an 'honest' mistake, and then push a mislynch on me.

What gave you this impression?

[Aquanim]

@Aqua
I'm having trouble understanding how you came to the conclusion mykonian is considering Boon as certainly town. Everyone else seems to get it so I think it's just me. Can you run me through that? ...

As you say it's a bit irrelevant now but the point was that Mykonian concluded that you, tool (or myself as an afterthought) were probably scum, even though he wasn't really scumreading any of us individually,

because

he'd eliminated everyone else (including Boonskiies).

...
I do think you make a good point that the leading wagons being Taly vs Metal and then IL vs Metal suggest Metal scum. What would a metal scumflip do to your mykonian read?
...

I'm confident Mykonian is scum regardless of the Metal flip. Metal flipping scum would merely make the remainder of the game very easy.

The more interesting question is what does a Mykonian scum flip do to my Metal read. Mykonian's actions towards Metal could be read as white-knighting a townie or defending his scumbuddy. Distinguishing the two is a difficult task I have not yet come to a satisfactory conclusion about.

[Aquanim]

EBWOP: Mykonian concluded that one player in the set of {Elyse, Tool, Aqua} was scum, based on his scumreads on TDA and IL and his townreads on everyone else (a set which includes Boonskiies). The previous wording was unclear.

[mykonian]

I'm not quite sure how you took the last bit on your own, you aren't closely related to tool/elyse.

Also, easter! Won't have any internet in the coming days guys, sorry!

[Bellaphant]

Is anyone else interested/amused/concerned by the Echo effect of Aqua/Elyse/Tool about Boon's case? o.0


@TheDude: his behaviour towards Tally, wanting to lynch eek for reasons that look more like policy (and then backing away from this, his weirdness around metal, the fact he's been back and forth about you. I dunno, I'm not feeling like any of these *stick*?

Also, I can't see town motivation, especially for metal. I'm also struggling to get a coherent picture on your thoughts, maybe because you make a lot of short statements, and ask a lot of questions: it's an easy way for scum to gain information, without giving much. This might be paranoia, though.

[TheDudeAbides]

Bell,

What don't you like about Myk backing away from Eek? It seems like you should be okay with that.

What do you mean by weirdness around metal?

[Aquanim]

Is anyone else interested/amused/concerned by the Echo effect of Aqua/Elyse/Tool about Boon's case? o.0
...

I'm not sure what you mean here.

[pisskop]

V/LA until Monday, April 5th

[Aquanim]

I am getting a little nervous about all the people going V/LA for easter considering deadline is on Monday. In particular

@Elyse, Toolenduso, Bellaphant

: don't go V/LA until deadline without voting Mykonian first.

[TheDudeAbides]

Mod: V/LA until Monday

[Elyse]

Deadline is Monday? I won't be available Monday but I will be able to check in until then. I still prefer a metal lynch but if it doesn't look like it's happening I will move my vote before deadline. The last thing we need is another NL.

I do implore everyone to ISO me for my metal case and see what you think because I really think he's scum and I'm afraid that all of the opposition to his lynch means I'm right. The speed of the Myko wagon is certainly frightening but Aquanim's point regarding his Boon read is very strong. I understand the reasons to lynch him but it still makes me worry a little bit.

[toolenduso]

Just popping in to dodge a prod and let everybody know I'm working on ISO reads and a couple other things. I'm close to halfway done and expect to get back into this tonight or tomorrow morning.

[MonkeyMan576]

Metalcyanide is being prodded

[MonkeyMan576]

@TheDudeAbides: This is your last available V/LA. A one day extention is being given for Easter.

Vote Count 2.05 - up to post #1593.

Mykonian[4]: Aquanim, Metalcyanide, TheDudeAbides, pisskop[L-2]
Metalcyanide[1]: Elyse
TheDudeAbides[1]: mykonian
eektor[1]: toolenduso
Aquanim[1]: Boonskiies

Not Voting[2]: Bellaphant, eektor

Mod Notes: Eektor, Mykonian, TheDudeAbides, and pisskop are V/LA.

With 10 alive, it requires 6 votes to lynch.

Day ends on Tuesday, April 7th at 7:00 PM USA Mountain Time

, or when a lynch occurs

[Metalcyanide]

Hey got the prod. I've been reading but having had much to say about anything.

[Aquanim]

@Mod

: I'm not V/LA.

[MonkeyMan576]

@Mod

: I'm not V/LA.

Fixed.

[Elyse]

Thanks for the extension mod that's helpful.