New York 180 (Endgame)

[Green Crayons]

Is there a thread consensus on fairly town folks that I can ISO?

[Marquis]

try marquis

[dragonspawn]

ABR gamethrew.

I was going to ISO ABR but there are 300 posts in that alone.

What do you mean by this?

day 1 abr claimed tracker

day 2 abr said he was mistaken and was vt.

later that day he counter claimed the cop to get our fop lynched.

day 3 he claimed tracker again. Was lynched and flipped tracker.

[goodmorning]

@GC: TSO is a claimed Vig and thus probably actually Vig, though he could be SK.
I'm a claimed Neighbouriser.

There was a sort-of massclaim, pretty much everyone has claimed VT.

[dragonspawn]

I haven't claimed anything nor will I.

[goodmorning]

Which is why I said 'pretty much everyone' and not 'everyone'.

[goodmorning]

POST I WROTE RIGHT AS THE THREAD GOT LOCKED:

@TSO: I really don't think SilverWolf is Scum.

Like I said, I agree. Meaning it's you or Ozgin.

It really isn't me.

I know, I know, you didn't manage to kill me. You're an obvious block target though.

GM, people ask for others to repeat answers for many reasons. One of them is to see if the answer if phrased differently. It helps if town answers questions and what has irked me about Shinobi is his refusal to answer direct questions.

Which is why I'll repeat anything once. After that it gets a little dull.

Besides which we all know that's not why you asked again.

Won't lynch: Cheetory6, Aeronaut
Could lynch: Marquis, dragonspawn, SilverWolf
Would lynch: Shinobi, Ozgin, Kitz
Should lynch: T S O, elusive

This is kind of where my head is at right now.

Meh, found this so I guess just ISOing is useful after all.

To revise the list based on events since then:
Won't lynch: T S O, SilverWolf
Could lynch: Marquis, dragonspawn, Cheetory6
Would lynch: Shinobi, Ozgin, Kitz
Should lynch: elusive

One of her scum ticks is that she and her buddy post one after the other.

...seriously?

It's not a group. Me and the person I Neighbourise get a thread that's only open the Day after the Night I Neighbourise them in.

Has this not been clear?

The issue is that you have a select amount of players floating about in the neighbourhood.
Potentially, all of these could be scum with you, faking the concept of neighbourhood.

No, it's a new thread every time. Me and the person I Neighbourise get a thread that opens ONE DAY ONLY.

I don't know how I can make this clearer.

GM, why we're you town reading aero so strongly?

Meta mostly. Probably a lot of confbias. A little bit of him having similar thoughts.

the hints do fit in line with a bulletproof sk preparing to potentially claim vig,

That's what I said.

I'm clearly town

lol

i have priorities and i don't much care for the gm distraction at the moment. the elusive wagon

needs

to go through.

you think the Commuter claim is a lie?

You think it's true? You think elusive lied in massclaim instead? Even though there's no difference in her situation between then and now?

Especially after all that ABR nonsense?

@elusive 5760: Trying to pretend that similar situations always can't be applied to each other is quite incorrect. I used the concept to catch emeraldemon in N1451.

We all have personal experiences that affect the way we play whether we discuss them or not. At least SilverWolf's being open about this one.

[Kitz]

No, it's a new thread every time. Me and the person I Neighbourise get a thread that opens ONE DAY ONLY.

I don't know how I can make this clearer.

Are you ignorant on purpose?

If all of you are scum together, then obviously the Neighbour thing can be forged and you can claim it's a thing, but it isn't.

[goodmorning]

Are you saying you think GC is Scum?

[Cheetory6]

Every time I look at this game, I try to go into someone's ISO to get back into it, and see that's it's usually t 300+ posts and just find it impossible to even try q.q
I'm sorry. I'm not trying to lurk, I'm just really struggling with staying present in this game.

As of right now, I'm thinking there's at least two scum in Shinobi, Ozgin and goodmorning.
Dragon and Marquis could be scum.
Kitz, TSO and GC/Silver are probably not scum.

Someone pitch me a case because I'm sure as hell not making one right now q.q

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: oz

Seems a good place to start. He's been pinging me a while.

[Kitz]

Are you saying you think GC is Scum?

Is the reason because "SW is town"?
The reason of that was pure based on meta, it's not something I'll take in consideration.

She's been under the radar pretty much the entire game, did some personality slips before adjusting, but still under the radar.
Being the ultra-obvious-town why are scum not killing her? Note lack of kills for a long time, the scum should find different targets if it ain't working out.

The thing about you seem to have "magically vanished" too. Why ain't you dead? You're supposed to be dead because of T S O.

It's highly suspicious that you didn't target a different player to join the neighbourhood to confirm the facts of neighbour other than the potential scum-circle.
By being ignorant of the issue, it'll make me look more towards your direction as scum for attempting to avoid the whole thing.
I'm actually more suspicious that you don't try to "understand", and instead argue that the others are town. This game is quite different.

Ohhhh by the way Elusive flipped a Commuter, if you forgot.

Aaaand why are we even pushing for SK's? Why is T S O off the radar on that one? We have a Vig or a potential SK under control, so the whole attack on Elusive made no sense.

I'd rather believe T S O on his attempt of killing GM and the reason he's alive is because..? 2 doctors are dead who NOTE are non-consecutive, there's a flipped commuter, a vengeful, tracker, debuty, cop, and all we know of is an opposing mere goon and a roleblocker.
Where does a Neighbour fit in with such a powerful setup? Vigi seems just as unlikely, but Neighbour is far unlikely now.

The lack of kills, and eventual lack of protection, doesn't warrant an excuse of you living.

I should renew my vote. Your flip is the first piece of the puzzle.
VOTE: Goodmorning

[Marquis]

i was going to say i could see gm as scum jailkeeper who blocked tso to live but then neighborizer claim not to mention targeting tso with a kill AND jking him is dumb af

also kitz the neighborizer itself is pretty dumb to doubt exists. whether the role as gm is/is using it is town or scum is the main issue

[T S O]

I am V/LA, and will be for at least a week. I am so sorry, guys, but access is impossible right now.

I'd lynch Ozgin > gm.

[Kitz]

also kitz the neighborizer itself is pretty dumb to doubt exists. whether the role as gm is/is using it is town or scum is the main issue

Wouldn't a flip help in any case? T S O attempted to kill, and failed.

[Kitz]

I'd lynch Ozgin > gm.

Make a TLDR case while you're here, why?

[goodmorning]

Are you saying you think GC is Scum?

Is the reason because "SW is town"?
The reason of that was pure based on meta, it's not something I'll take in consideration.

I Neighbourised SilverWolf. If you think I'm Scum who is only Neighbourising Scum and we are all stupid enough to claim it, then you must therefore truly believe that slot is Scum.

The thing about you seem to have "magically vanished" too. Why ain't you dead? You're supposed to be dead because of T S O.

I'll say again, TSO is an obvious blocking target for Scum.

Ohhhh by the way Elusive flipped a Commuter, if you forgot.

In case you didn't notice the line at the top of that post, I wrote it right as the thread got locked.
That elusive lied in massclaim is shitty, possibly even shittier than what ABR did. I think we'll not be playing together again for quite some time.

Aaaand why are we even pushing for SK's? Why is T S O off the radar on that one? We have a Vig or a potential SK under control, so the whole attack on Elusive made no sense.

Whose attack on elusive? If there were three kill attempts N1 then the logical answer is an SK.

all we know of is an opposing mere goon and a roleblocker.

Exactly. Scum probably has something quite strong that we haven't seen yet based on the massive OP-ness of Town.

Where does a Neighbour fit in with such a powerful setup? Vigi seems just as unlikely, but Neighbour is far unlikely now.

Who the fuck knows? It's ika, don't expect his Normals to conform to what we think is usual.

The lack of kills, and eventual lack of protection, doesn't warrant an excuse of you living.

What part of "TSO WAS A LIKELY TARGET FOR BEING BLOCKED" don't you get?

also kitz the neighborizer itself is pretty dumb to doubt exists. whether the role as gm is/is using it is town or scum is the main issue

Wouldn't a flip help in any case? T S O attempted to kill, and failed.

TSO WAS A LIKELY BLOCK TARGET

ffs

[goodmorning]

Like, if I am claiming that my role has LITERALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH ME BEING ALIVE, my flip will NOT tell you why I am not dead.

[Shinobi]

Do people think Ozgin really hammered his partner after yesterday?

[dragonspawn]

Do people think Ozgin really hammered his partner after yesterday?

why not? Did he hammer your partner?

[Cheetory6]

Damnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

I'm looking back now and not really seeing anything about the hammer that screams town. Like, there's all that stuff after the hammer actually drops, but I could pretttttty easily see that being him playing dumb.
Does anyone have any experience with scumOzgin?

@dragon

, is there something specific that seems scummy about Ozgin?

I'm also kind of eyeing Shinobi again because that last post by him kinda felt like it could be scum trying to get towncred for predicting a mislynch.

[dragonspawn]

I'll try to see if I can't find something specific but I'm not sure I can articulate exactly why he is rubbing me the wrong way.

[goodmorning]

Do people think Ozgin really hammered his partner after yesterday?

Scum hammer Scum all the time for all kinds of reasons. There's no reason the hammer necessarily came from Town.

[Shinobi]

It's like nothing that ever happens in thread is ever a reason to take anyone off the table for a day.

This game is like pulling teeth.

[Shinobi]

"Towncred for predicting a mislynch."

Seriously?