8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[Zar]

did MOLLIE just say that she is not going to do anything like WTF

I did.

I think that this action by mollie is really deplorable!


It is not a good way to play!


I think you deserve a thorella face! Shame!

Am I too hopeful for expecting mollie to respond to my question?

[Metal Sonic]

wat question even i forgot LOL

u shld requote for visibility

[Zar]

wat question even i forgot LOL

u shld requote for visibility

mollie: have your reads changed at all since the discussion from the last couple of pages?

[Nachomamma8]

I have no idea why she would want to jump in this game if not to make ABR look bad.

you don't think me reading eddie as scum because of her interactions with me through him and me getting him lynched had to do with anything?
blaming the current shitshow on mollie seems absolutely ridiculous

[ZZZX]

I have no idea why she would want to jump in this game if not to make ABR look bad.

you don't think me reading eddie as scum because of her interactions with me through him and me getting him lynched had to do with anything?
blaming the current shitshow on mollie seems absolutely ridiculous

Answer my list question

[Metal Sonic]

shld blame it on you for not reading the slot right in the first place right!!

Nacho why are you so good at scum?

Why are you so good at Mafia?

Why are you not obvious fucking town in the nightless where you were initially expected to be town block material



WHERE ARE YOUR TEAMMATES CAN YOU GET THEM TO HAUL ASS

[Nachomamma8]

Mollie, you're an asshole. A complete and absolute asshole, and I agree with everything ABR says about you. You are a person I could come to truly despise.

I don't understand where exactly this high high degree of animosity comes from.
Is it because she's egotistical? Because that's a really really shitty reason to hate someone in mafia: everyone I knows who plays and is even halfway decent is egotistical as shit and that's why the game is fun.
If it's because she's abrasive, well, you're one of the most abrasive players on site, ABR is massively abrasive, Fate was massively abrasive... why does that matter?
Is it really just because of the typing style? Because kanye types funny and you don't seem to irrationally hate his guts, so, still confused.

[Nachomamma8]

This entire situation happening is mostly my fault, yeah.
And it's great! Because now the game is oh so fun!

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: nacho

Have i done this yet? I should have done this.

I think that nacho was never intending for himself to be lynched!!!

[Metal Sonic]

Nacho were you aware that wgeurts and Abr have Mollie blacklists? I hope u didn't. Though you could have. That is a higher level play than that magic Mollie reads summoning thing you did earlier

[Nachomamma8]

don't really know if i responded to this yet, responding anyway

Can you explain why you're leveling out with Kagami in 1284?

i believe kagami-town would mean my picture of the gamestate would be fundamentally wrong, and i find her capable enough of turning the game around if momentum can be built in trusting her final reads list on a green flip. i don't think she'd be listened to after she died with what she's put in thread so far, and i wanted to emphasize that. i still don't find the chance of Kagami-town to be particularly high. i still think it's important to do things just in case i'm wrong, especially in a game like this.

Additionaly, relaying a question from singer regarding your Eddie via Mollie scumread in #1291 - #1293. Did you consider if Mollie's lack of engagement with you may be influenced by her being a replacement into TM?

i did.

Thanks? Except to me it felt that wasn't the case, most of the comments you left seemed to be tailored like "EMPIRE can look town early on that doesn't mean anything"! Which instead of trying to give me space felt more like a side snipe.

there was a general sentiment that empire couldn't fake the posts he made as scum
i remember when i thought empire was absolutely shit as scum and then we only lynched him in lylo (after letting him lurk for something like four game days) because we were so demoralized we let benmage lead town

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho were you aware that wgeurts and Abr have Mollie blacklists? I hope u didn't. Though you could have. That is a higher level play than that magic Mollie reads summoning thing you did earlier

i wouldn't put abr or mollie in a position like that, even if it furthered my win condition

[quadz08]

Votecount 2.16

Kagami (4) - Zar, ZZZX, Nachomamma8, GreyICE
Pirate Mollie (2) - Sotty7, wgeurts
Nachomamma8 (2) - Albert B. Rampage, Metal Sonic
GreyICE (1) - Pirate Mollie

Not Voting (2) - Kagami, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

[pirate mollie]

Nacho were you aware that wgeurts and Abr have Mollie blacklists? I hope u didn't. Though you could have. That is a higher level play than that magic Mollie reads summoning thing you did earlier

are you saying that wguerts and abr have me on their blacklists?

or that I am supposedly to have them on mine?

cos I can't tell.

[pirate mollie]

zarella

yes my reads are changing drastically. except for 2.

also

abr I accept your apology.

[ZZZX]

I have no idea why she would want to jump in this game if not to make ABR look bad.

you don't think me reading eddie as scum because of her interactions with me through him and me getting him lynched had to do with anything?
blaming the current shitshow on mollie seems absolutely ridiculous

Answer my list question

nacho if your next post doesnt do this im voting you and not doing anything but hard lynching you

[pirate mollie]

I have no idea why she would want to jump in this game if not to make ABR look bad.

you don't think me reading eddie as scum because of her interactions with me through him and me getting him lynched had to do with anything?
blaming the current shitshow on mollie seems absolutely ridiculous

Answer my list question

nacho if your next post doesnt do this im voting you and not doing anything but hard lynching you

cld plz back off back off a bit.

I came into this game thinking he was scum and I am still kinda leaning that way but you know what never happened was me getting the chance to sort him. <---- don't you find that interesting? look at who kept that from happening.

my team thinks grey is scum period, end of story. my argument for town!him fell flat when I read some of the josh whedon game and realized his personal attacks can come from either alignment. I am still trying to work that out.

what do you think of metal? cos he is not conf!town like grey is trying to purport he actually looks a lot like he did in organic chemistry on a scumteam we both were on! do YOU see the similarities?

I don't think abr is scum I think he is town. <----- you 2 are my strongest scumreads.

sotty's vote is opportunistic as hell can we all just agree on that.

[Nachomamma8]

I have no idea why she would want to jump in this game if not to make ABR look bad.

you don't think me reading eddie as scum because of her interactions with me through him and me getting him lynched had to do with anything?
blaming the current shitshow on mollie seems absolutely ridiculous

Answer my list question

nacho if your next post doesnt do this im voting you and not doing anything but hard lynching you

i personally will not vote outside of {kagami, sotty, ooba}.
i will do everything in my power not to let {abr, mollie, zzzx, metal sonic, wgeurts} get lynched.
i'm not sure who's scum in {Grey, Zar}. whoever it is, they've played well.

[Nachomamma8]

i don't think that "I'm going to vote you if you don't do X" is a very healthy way to approach this game in particular.

[Nachomamma8]

i agree re: Sotty.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, can you answer my question about the Metal meta you provided? I admit I only looked though his ISO in that game so far but I'm not seeing too much difference and he won that game as a kinda scum role.

He won the game as a town mason.
He was a hydra, yes, but distinguishing him from Om shouldn't be too difficult.

I'm sorry for missing your questions: it wasn't my intention to.

[pirate mollie]

I have no idea why she would want to jump in this game if not to make ABR look bad.

you don't think me reading eddie as scum because of her interactions with me through him and me getting him lynched had to do with anything?
blaming the current shitshow on mollie seems absolutely ridiculous

Answer my list question

nacho if your next post doesnt do this im voting you and not doing anything but hard lynching you

i personally will not vote outside of {kagami, sotty, ooba}.
i will do everything in my power not to let {abr, mollie, zzzx, metal sonic, wgeurts} get lynched.
i'm not sure who's scum in {Grey, Zar}. whoever it is, they've played well.

I get why my team thinks grey is scum and zar is town within a particular dichotomy but I wld love to hear your own reasoning?

abr, zzzika I get, metal not so much. I find myself talking to wguerts as if he was town. cld you plz elaborate on metal?

sotty yeah, ooba mebbe, it is taking him forever to post but cld you plz in a tl;dr fashion explain the kagami case? I never understood it when I was trying to keep up with the game. I feel like grey in this particular instance wld be a bigger point for you to draw from but somehow you are missing it.

[pirate mollie]

"you 2 are my strongest scumreads"

shld read as TOWNREADS

silly asshole, whatever abr posted, me!

[Nachomamma8]

Zar is pretty low-content overall, but I find the pushes he's made make a lot of sense, and I feel his reads and votes in general mean that he doesn't make sense as scum unless he's scum with GreyICE. Grey makes sense as town because he's been pursuing a lot of different angles, his play makes sense overall, reasoning has been consistently fairly solid. I didn't like Grey playing the terrorist game with me recently, although I'm not sure that's particularly alignment indicative.

I don't really understand your scumread on metal, even a little bit. The best people have been able to come up with against him is "inconsistent", which is pretty crap. I feel Metal's pushes and posts this game have consistently been very genuine: I don't think he says shit like "I'm the most influential player in the game" if scum, I don't think is as patient in selling the paranoia of me as scum, his push on GreyICE even follows his tendency to irrationally scumread aggressive players when town, which is something I don't think he's aware of. His trust and relationship with ABR also makes him look pretty town, as does him being uncomfortable with ZZZX and wgeurts.

sotty yeah, ooba mebbe, it is taking him forever to post but cld you plz in a tl;dr fashion explain the kagami case? I never understood it when I was trying to keep up with the game. I feel like grey in this particular instance wld be a bigger point for you to draw from but somehow you are missing it.

I am missing the point of how Grey is so scummy in particular. I don't like that Kagami's hinged her entire game on Grey being scum because it seems like a dumb risk to make if Kagami is town. I don't think her case on Grey is very strong or convincing at the end of the day.

[Nachomamma8]

I feel very strongly we should be following the vengeful play this game.
I feel following any other paths will not go well.