Open 589: Duck Duck Goose (Game Over: Somebody Won)

[GreyICE]

Unvote

Will make a real choice. Can't believe we've had an empty slot for over a week. It's bullshit.

[GreyICE]

Ugh, this moderation. Pisskop and nether spite are scum. I stand on that one, and people shouldat attention to it.

[GreyICE]

Maybe not puss.

Nether is so awkward though. So awkward.

[GreyICE]

Kabooose is town, the wagon is horrible

Fuck it, lazy ass mod is hoping our lynch will save him from doing work.

vote: ChriVi

If you're not on a wagon that matters right now you're scum. Make your choices townies.

Mod, do some actual work.

[davesaz]

That's just great. Your unvote changed it back to Kaboose.

[Netherspite]

It's just... Why would you scum read someone for one thing, then town read them for the same thing?

Whether or not it is playstyle, if you found it scummy or not conducive to the town to begin with - how could them telling you it is in their meta sway you to think much different?

This question doesn't revolve around your read on ChriVi, it is more generalized.

Plus - What is your read on ChriVi currently? They are interacting with you more.

I often get my opinion slightly pushed the other side when I stop considering someone town or scum.
Not sure why. Just being honest here.

[Netherspite]

Kabooose is town, the wagon is horrible

Fuck it, lazy ass mod is hoping our lynch will save him from doing work.

vote: ChriVi

If you're not on a wagon that matters right now you're scum. Make your choices townies.

Mod, do some actual work.

Kaboose

is definitely a terrible wagon.
But you made it winning again.

[talah]

I fail to see how that's even relevant considering ChriVi aren't even voting one of their counterwagons.

In any case, with 9 hours left I probably won't be awake when deadline hits. Will be around-ish for a few hours probably but it's Friday night here now so don't expect diligence or coherence.

Dave I saw you responded to me. Guess I'll address that Tomorrow if I'm still around.

[davesaz]

The post you're responding to says Kaboose is a terrible wagon.
I'm saying Kaboose is a terrible wagon.
GreyICE said Kaboose is a terrible wagon.

You're voting Kaboose. Where did the relevance of ChriVi's vote come into play?

[talah]

Plurality has no effect if ChriVi can just change their vote to a counterwagon.

Is that a real question?

[Honey bee]

the relevance is that chrivi is pretty town because of it so maybe you're on the wrong wagon :)

[Netherspite]

@talah

Well at least we would have the information of who would they choose to lynch to save their hide.

[talah]

I don't know why scum would sit around waiting for themself to become the first 4-vote wagon.

[Netherspite]

To appear town?
I hardly see anyone who would jump on their wagon.

[Honey bee]

I'm sure they foresaw grey's unvote and worked it into their devious scum plan.

[talah]

They would behave like town to appear like town. Your logic is irrefutable.

They had every opportunity to vote a counterwagon in Kaboose and appear to have misread a post from HB earlier and sheeped, and voted you instead. Which indicates to me they don't give a shit about the votecount, actually.

edit: lol

[Netherspite]

@Honey Bee

You forgot the [sarcasm] tag

Well, I'm not saying "guys! it's obvious they're scum! vote them!".
I just don't think current behavior makes them confirmed town.

The only wagon I'm sure is on scum is

Taly

wagon. I hope other townies will make the right choice.

[davesaz]

I will definitely be here at deadline. That's tomorrow morning my time, and I really need to go to sleep now.

[talah]

Well, I'm not saying "guys! it's obvious they're scum! vote them!".
I just don't think current behavior makes them confirmed town.

So... You're still null on ChriVi then. Because you're contrasting that they're not confirmed town, and therefore a better lynch than Kaboose.

@talah

Well at least we would have the information of who would they choose to lynch to save their hide.

So why does this post^ sound like you think they will definitely flip scum?

And why is Kaboose confirmed town? Or even strong town?

And incidentally I just looked back in your ISO in an attempt to find out how you were actually reading pisskop, since that wagon's evaporated. And it seem's you're town reading him based on reading the second half of his ISO.

That's great, I'm actually scumreading you based on reading the last 1/5 of your ISO. I suppose both our assertions here are legitimate since we've both provided no further reasoning.

By the way I think your arguments against Taly are basically retorts without reasoning which don't help you determine alignment at all. You've tended to dismiss every response and ask questions which seem to come out of the air with no real point. There's no focussed drive on why you think he's scum, just question after question which you don't come to a point on. From your entrance being measured and noticing things which I also thought were worthy of attention you seem to now be taking Kaboose-null and turning him into town and Taly-null and tunnelling him as scum.

Oh shit, did I just provide reasoning? My bad.

I'd like it if you could simmer the fuck down and explain to the rest of town *succinctly* why you think he's scum if you actually believe that. Maybe in the form of the conclusions you've come to from your questioning, and how he's Vettrock's buddy. TIA.

[pisskop]

plurality lynch really adds flavor to lost games

[Netherspite]

@talah

1.

ChriVi

is a better lynch than

Kaboose

because they are at least here and can say something regarding their wagon. I don't think lynching someone who is not even here a good idea.
I never said I townread

Kaboose

.

2. I've explained why I'm slightly leaning town on

pisskop

in #1272.

3. I've pointed a large number of inconsistencies in

Taly

's posts. I formed it as questions to let him explain. He didn't provide satisfactory explanation to most of them and decided instead to dismiss them by saying that he's not going to continue answering.

Taly

is not null. He's a scumread. And I bet he'll flip scum. Vote him and you'll soon see that I'm right.

4. If you scumread me (as I suggest from your post) you better be voting me then. Join

ChriVi

and may be someone else will join you as well. But please promise me to get

Taly

tomorrow after you see my flip.

[talah]

Yeah I'm not numbering each of your points but will answer them all.

Nice to know you now have me as a townread after you were speculating I was scum with x and y flips.
If you're not town reading Kaboose why is he a terrible lynch (and didn't you actually saying you were townleaning him anyway)?
Ah okay, no you said you didn't like him but we're waiting for a replacement, and then said the wagon was terrible.
Why is the wagon terrible then? Just because he's replacing?
But you're voting a wagon which Kaboose is currently voting, having replaced... So is that purely something null for you? Free extra vote?

2. Latest

pisskop

's posts looked townish for me. Initially I had a weak suspicion on him while going through his D1 part of the ISO. The beginning of D2 felt null to me and later I got to the latest posts and they gave me townish vibes. I ended up slightly leaning town on him. That's why I consider him a bad lynch option for today.

How is this extra reasoning compared to "I went through the last half of his ISO and found him town"?
I have literally no extra insight into your read on pisskop for this post and you've just provided it as your explanation?
Why could scum not say exactly what you did there? It really takes no position.

3. I've pointed a large number of inconsistencies in

Taly

's posts. I formed it as questions to let him explain. He didn't provide satisfactory explanation to most of them and decided instead to dismiss them by saying that he's not going to continue answering.

Taly

is not null. He's a scumread. And I bet he'll flip scum. Vote him and you'll soon see that I'm right.

You've let him explain and now you're not saying why the explanations were unsatisfactory. He didn't dismiss them, he answered all of them while you ignore his answers and asked other questions which weren't related to the point of what you were asking.

I have ??? over Taly but in your interactions I see you as the person spiralling the conversation into obscurity. I just don't see why you see him as scum and if you don't have a summary yourself I'm not even close to buying your argument.

[talah]

Wait Nether are you saying you'll lynch an active null player over an inactive null player?

[talah]

plurality lynch really adds flavor to lost games

How do you figure it's a lost game sportsfan?

[pisskop]

'lost' as in no clear direction