Paradise Lost - [Game Over]

[lufan131]

So "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" isn't what to look for?

lufan, could you please elaborate a little on your intended meaning here?


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Which wasn't particularly strange, I don't think. Just a second vote for the same person.

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Ahh.. It's a proverb I'd heard of. It's apparently called the "Chainsaw" here. I didn't realize that's not something to look for a way to achieve by voting.

[Katsuki]

you started the whole aa9.confirmed thing = =

also why does this feel like an everyone try their best moi inpersonation game?

I haven't addressed AA9 yet this game.

Also, who is impersonating you? There ain't no one as vague and unpredictable as you.

oh i thought you were addressing aa being town rather than me in your #95. nvm post makes more sense now

By moi I meant MagnaofIncompetence.

[Katsuki]

Can we turbolynch AA already so that I can discuss what the optimal townstrat is this game???

Normally I'd go back and analyze what everyone's said but nowadays im too tired and busy and bleh

[SXTLHGaiden]

i'm not sure if you explained it already, but would you mind explaining why you want to turbo lynch aa?

[Elbirn]

Scum reading elb currently. Comes across as uncertain compared to the last game we played together he pushed what he felt.

Scumreading Elbirn is a towntell.

Also could someone please explain to me what's the deal with Elbirn? i don't see why he's being wagonedm he asked what was the problem was with mollie's replace out and got his question answered so he decided to follow suit, am i missing something super obvious or what.

Defending Elbirn is a scumtell.

[Katsuki]

i'm not sure if you explained it already, but would you mind explaining why you want to turbo lynch aa?

because hes scum

[massive]

I could sheep farside.

VOTE: ArcAngel9

[RedCoyote]

you started the whole aa9.confirmed thing = =

also why does this feel like an everyone try their best moi inpersonation game?

I haven't addressed AA9 yet this game.

Also, who is impersonating you? There ain't no one as vague and unpredictable as you.

oh i thought you were addressing aa being town rather than me in your #95. nvm post makes more sense now

By moi I meant MagnaofIncompetence.

Lol, okay. Muffin is the only one that reminds me of MoI.

People I'd Like To Lynch List

• lufan131
• massive

[RedCoyote]

UNVOTE: Glass
... If this vote causes me to say the same thing 9 times, I'm not gonna keep it.

*beepbeepbeepbeepbeep*

My scumdar is beeping...

[RedCoyote]

What do you think of Grapes and Glass?

Would this be a killer name for a winery or wine bar?

Have a lot out.

[farside22]

I could sheep farside.

VOTE: ArcAngel9

Why?

Sukara: I like glass reaction to those questioning Mollie's replacement. Grapes as far as I recall mentioned only one scum read and not much else, so meh.

As for elb give me a moment to pull quotes, it's more then just meta.
The gist without the quotes is how he followed my reasoning onto glass but when pushed by Equinox just back down and has since just followed others with pretty crap reasoning.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Abr: walk me throw AA read if true.

No, it was a joke.

I like Redcoyote and my vote on luffan is staying.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I could sheep farside.

VOTE: ArcAngel9

weak

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also please dont answer within the same quote next time, it's annoying to follow, thanks.

Yes please.

[lalaladucks]

So "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" isn't what to look for?

lufan, could you please elaborate a little on your intended meaning here?

Ahh.. It's a proverb I'd heard of. It's apparently called the "Chainsaw" here. I didn't realize that's not something to look for a way to achieve by voting.

Yeah, I know the saying; I meant what did you mean by using it here - which players were you referring to?

[The Bulge]

Why are our votes so spread out :/
Our biggest wagon right now is 2? Now I'm not saying we should rush a lynch because the whole sin mechanic makes that riskier than usual. But it worries me that we haven't come close to any sort of consensus yet or even a pressure wagon. Is this because of the mechanic or are we just unable to get our shit together?

VOTE: Elbirn

So what took you so long? You pointed a finger at me in your first post, but it took you until now to place a vote. Can you explain your thought process? What changed between then and now?

1) I got a votecount and saw what your wagon was like and I liked it.
2) Like I said, when replacing in, I don't like going off of old posts. I start playing when the game starts happening around me.
3) Your posts continued in the same kinda awkward tone I was picking up from my initial read.
4)

Spoiler:

Do I have any scumreads? Not really. I've found that I'm pretty terrible at scumhunting, so I'm trying to townhunt instead. So far Equinox, Muffin, and Gaiden are town.

If you were to put a gun to my head and demand scumreads, I'd say that Katsuki isn't looking good so far. ISO him/her, it's all either trying to lynch AA for some indiscernible reason, or fluff. Lufan is likewise pretty much no content yet high posts. And I liked what you had to say about Sakura.

This transition doesn't look good to me. First thing you do is confidently admit that you have no real scum-reads, only town-reads. That would be fine left as is. But then you go and double-back on it and present us with "gun-to-the-head" scumreads without anybody asking for them. This makes any sort of "confidence" you had in the first paragraph invalid and fake-looking. Insecure, cautious scum.

So what took you so long? You pointed a finger at me in your first post, but it took you until now to place a vote. Can you explain your thought process? What changed between then and now?

I can already see his thought process very clearly, however i'll just let him answer the question himself.

Doubting you had 4 reasons in mind. Which one were you thinking out of curiosity?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p6171737 Something around here.

Oh my

but lalala has made very long posts with lots of review and no actual analysis.

So what do you call this?

One post that stood out to me in my read-through and made me say "oh boy" and opened it in another tab.

Do you believe I intentionally conjured up a load of fluff or what?

No, I don't. Not intentionally.

Buldge: why are you holding back a vote and why is elb a scum read?

I feel my head going in circles with buldge post.

See above.

Is this wrt my opening post? What don't you understand?

[Sakura Hana]

Doubting you had 4 reasons in mind. Which one were you thinking out of curiosity?

Eh, i was mostly thinking of Reason 1.

[lalaladucks]

People I'd Like To Lynch List

• lufan131
• massive

Wow, this looks official. So why is it that you'd like to lynch massive? You didn't mention a scumread on him at all.

[lalaladucks]

i'm not sure if you explained it already, but would you mind explaining why you want to turbo lynch aa?

because hes scum

How do you know she's scum...
This is just nonsensical
Has ArcAngel insulted you in the past or something? Do you actually have any sort of legitimate reason for trying to get her lynched?

[lalaladucks]

Scum reading elb currently. Comes across as uncertain compared to the last game we played together he pushed what he felt.

Scumreading Elbirn is a towntell.

Also could someone please explain to me what's the deal with Elbirn? i don't see why he's being wagonedm he asked what was the problem was with mollie's replace out and got his question answered so he decided to follow suit, am i missing something super obvious or what.

Defending Elbirn is a scumtell.

Because you're scummy?
Are you actually for real or is this a joke?

[lalaladucks]

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(just a brief rundown)

Town

Equinox - behaviour at the start allowed us to gain more information. Looks very towny to me.

RedCoyote - he's getting the job done. Scumhunting etc.

Leaning town

zMuffinMan - I did like his posts about strategy and was kinda townreading him due to that, but it's since been pointed out that scum could just as easily formulate the plan; so it's not exactly alignment-indicative. Still, I find him townish and it seems as if he wants town to win.

Gaiden - surprisingly enough, I don't find him to be that suspicious this game (thought I'd find the lurkishness scummier). His initial plan wasn't well thought out, but it did seem his intentions were good.

Glass - haven't seen anything scummy from him, looks to be genuinely interested in scumhunting.

grapes - very slight townread, as I haven't got that much to go on from him. But what he has posted looks pretty good.

farside - meh, seems more townish than nullish imo, just the general feeling I get from her posts.

The Bulge - well, has only really commented on my fluffiness, Gaiden's stupid scum-sided plan and Elbirn's scumminess thus far. But his reasons seem legit.

what

Null

idk

Sakura Hana - may just be her playstyle. I found her quite scummy to begin with, then I thought she was towny, but now I don't have any idea.

Albert - I don't have enough to go on to decide.

massive - same as above.

Elbirn - found him scummier before, but now his posts don't seem that off.

Spoiler: regarding Elbirn...

Tere - I agreed with a lot of her reads, but they don't particularly make her seem towny. I'll have a better idea when she posts more.

Leaning scum

ArcAngel - seemed to become defensive quickly with only two votes on her. I find it slightly suspicious.

Katsuki - the strange things he says are confusing. I was thinking that's just what he's like, but I've made that mistake before and that player actually was scum so I'm not ruling Kat out cause of a strange disposition. Play so far is pro-scum imo.

Spoiler: thought process when I read Kat's posts

Scum

lufan - hasn't really assisted in game progression, it seems he is intentionally being ambiguous. Explanations of actions are weird and his unvote looked like he was trying to appear townish (it didn't succeed).

VOTE: lufan

[lufan131]

So "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" isn't what to look for?

lufan, could you please elaborate a little on your intended meaning here?

Ahh.. It's a proverb I'd heard of. It's apparently called the "Chainsaw" here. I didn't realize that's not something to look for a way to achieve by voting.

Yeah, I know the saying; I meant what did you mean by using it here - which players were you referring to?

Sakura made some comment about that, and I asked if that wasn't what to look for by doing. She replies it reeks of chainsaw, and I put 2 together, and added in the wiki.

[Tere]

Right, caught up.

@Farside, I just love being told I'm not doing anything when I've been V/LA all weekend. Can you not do that please?

I have actually been worrying more about Mollie's replace out over the weekend. She wanted me to play together in this game and encouraged me to sign up (although I didn't need much persuasion as the set up looked cool. I doubt she even read that Wisdom of the One applied, I know from hydraing with her Mollie can miss that kind of stuff - she thought we were a cop in Lost Rooms when we were effectively VT because she hadn't read the sample role PM. I am not getting warm fuzzies from Glass either.

@ Bulge and someone else, it wasn't that I thought lala's wagon wall of analysis was super great analysis. It just seemed to come from a towny place to do that, I couldn't see scum attempting that after her entry to the thread fell so flat. I had a scum read on her before I looked at that post and it seemed to come from towny intent.

@ farside, I think you asked me something about Muffin - I don't see setup spec as inherently towny, I just looked at the chain of his posts with Gaidan and it flowed as though he genuinely thought it was a mistake and anti town to adopt Gaidan's approach.

I am very information overloaded because [redacted] but I think I need to have another look at everyone's ISO again. Will see where my thoughts are then.

[ArcAngel9]

I am here today.. and ahem..wagon on me!!! lol

[massive]

I could sheep farside.

Why?

Because I at least trust you to have been following the game completely.

weak

Big hugs buddy. This game's play was inspired by you.