8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[quadz08]

VOTECOUNT 5.8

GreyICE (3) - ZZZX, wgeurts, Pirate Mollie
wgeurts (2) - Metal Sonic, Alchemist
Metal Sonic (1) - Ooba
ZZZX (1) - GreyICE

Not Voting (1) - Zar

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Once more - chill out. It's a game. Calm the hell down.

Deadline is 4/28 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-28 18:00:00).

[ZZZX]

I'm still catching up can you actually give me a minute to read?

Why didnt you say that Take your time...

I wana sleep

p-edit: Sorry, :/ I am just doing what I must

[pirate mollie]

I'm still catching up can you actually give me a minute to read?

will you actually follow through?

[Zar]

me and grey were the first people to get sotty scum. nacho later endorsed it. you came into the picture only much later and somehow you want to claim credit for what we have been working on. look i give credit where credit is due, even if I was scumreading grey the entire time and I wanted every1 to lynch him but nacho said NO and I listened.

I don't remember you being very vocal about Sotty Scum? In fact, weren't you scumreading GreyICE for the Sotty scumread?

p.Edit: I pretty much have followed through whenever someone has asked me a question?

[ZZZX]

After everyone in the game gives their opinion I don't mind self voting and getting lynched. if you will promise me you will lynch grey/zar (aka promise to continue nacho's)

and not voting metal/ooba/mollie.

Can you fucking do that?

again that is nothing differant than what nacho told. welp nacho. They dont honor your posts enough I have to die to make sure i set things back

also gif wanted to replace into this game since day 1 but hell it's my game. I came here to win this and I will.

[ZZZX]

ZZZX's Plan V2. Leave nothing behind

To be left alive:
Ooba
Mollie

-Discussions with my team deem those 2 nearly confirmed town

To wait just a little:
Alchemist
Metal

-They might be scum but they also have a decent chance of being town

SLAY SLAY SLAY (lol ms):
Zar
Wge
GreyIce

NOTE: IF YOU ARE TOWN PLEASE FOLLOW THIS PLAN. EVEN IF YOU ARE LYNCHED THIS IS NEARLY CONFIRMED VICTORY

REFUSAL TO FOLLOW THIS PLAN WILL NOT BE ALLOWED

I have assumed command of htis lazy town . We have not done anything for 3 days but a back and forth with 0 shit.

OOBA. If you follow this metal will be lynched for sure. So your fears will be answered

METAL your vote will only come if i was wrong on most of our reads which shouldnt, and even then it will allow us to net the last scum for sure. So trust in me if you were town , I promise you to do everything i can to win this for us. If ooba is scum then ooba can be lynched at 3p lylo

GreyIce I know you are pissed at being lynched but this will get rid of your scum reads which will help us all

Wge Look at what i wrote for Ooba

Zar... do you even have a scum read bro atm? o.O

Alchem I find your slot town, also wge will be lynched.

MOLLIE You and Ika convinced me you are town but i need you to follow here if you care about our win

THERE IS NO REASON TO REFUSE. REFUSAL WILL BE A SCUM CLAIM.
I HAVE READ ALL YOUR "HOLES" AT EVERY PLAN AND BUILT THIS.

GAME BROKEN--


-ZZZX the grand gambiteer (I always wanted to write that p.p)

just a beatiful bump for the plan.

[Metal Sonic]

overnights are fucking dangerous


I have extremely conflicting opinions and I'm calling in Vezok and Shos

[Metal Sonic]

...to help me in the team thread, duh

[ZZZX]

I will be back in an hour I will do some counter strike

p-edit : Omg metal.!

[ZZZX]

Metal remember when you said grey ignored all your cases at that time?

thats right because he did that to mine just now... sigh >> (+endless misrep)

[Zar]

Honestly the whole DIE GREYICE FOLLOW THE PLAN I BELIEVE IN NACHO 4EVER just doesn't feel to me like ZZZX's conviction to follow the plan is scum motivated if wgeurts is scum? The GI scumread makes close to Zero sense in my mind, and him wanting to lynch GI here would basically be a deathwish if he were scum with him. (currently up to page 142)

Titus answer me smthing. How did he build his vca? Does someone who never voted for or got voted by scum while being on every town lynch be towniest by CCA?

Metal is prob town but if you want to talk VFA the only person a little worse was prob mollie

P-edit I said you are scummy IF you want to take it in a CCA.

In other words I am bashing the VFA analysis done as being pointlesa

Can you explain why you think the VCA is pointless here? Lacking nightkills and assuming a scum voting bloc, I think VCA is possibly the most useful tool to help rule possible partnerships out.

[ZZZX]

Can you explain why you think the VCA is pointless here? Lacking nightkills and assuming a scum voting bloc, I think VCA is possibly the most useful tool to help rule possible partnerships out.

did i say its pointless?

[Zar]

Actually, this is what I feel this scream match looks like right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN-ut_5i_Bw

Spoiler: Dynasty

GreyICE is totally the blond one.

p.Edit: 3504 you said the analysis done was pointless?

[Zar]

I think VOTE: wgeurts is the most likely partner.

[ZZZX]

p.Edit: 3504 you said the analysis done was pointless?

i meant how that analysis is pointless unless it explains how it got the result it did.
also why not vote the person before voting his "partner" i find it fishy man.?

[ZZZX]

@zar i believe your vote here makes you the most prob scum partner of grey if he flips scum.

[pirate mollie]

me and grey were the first people to get sotty scum. nacho later endorsed it. you came into the picture only much later and somehow you want to claim credit for what we have been working on. look i give credit where credit is due, even if I was scumreading grey the entire time and I wanted every1 to lynch him but nacho said NO and I listened.

I don't remember you being very vocal about Sotty Scum? In fact, weren't you scumreading GreyICE for the Sotty scumread?

p.Edit: I pretty much have followed through whenever someone has asked me a question?

I wld like you to follow through with more developed reads which if you are town is something you shld have by now.

[pirate mollie]

I think VOTE: wgeurts is the most likely partner.

I also need a walk thro as to why if you think wguerts is his partner you are not voting grey.

[Zar]

p.Edit: 3504 you said the analysis done was pointless?

i meant how that analysis is pointless unless it explains how it got the result it did.
also why not vote the person before voting his "partner" i find it fishy man.?

I think VOTE: wgeurts is the most likely partner.

I also need a walk thro as to why if you think wguerts is his partner you are not voting grey.

I was referring to Sotty? Why would I think wgeurts is scum with my strongest townread?

[Zar]

I wld like you to follow through with more developed reads which if you are town is something you shld have by now.

I don't think you are partnered to Sotty because of 1451 and 1753, and I recognize that you make a valid point it would be pretty suicidal to enter a game where you could have been pinned as scum by someone who can easily read you. I am more confident on my GreyICE read based on the associatives I have mentioned earlier.

Thinking what ABR mentioned about Seraphim in 2553 made me think that slot could have worked as a partner here, but I just feel that because Sotty spent the whole game pointing into that direction since post 346 (which is very similar to what Kagami did to GI) it's very unlikely. Wgeurts had at some point a strong townread on Sotty, yet never responded to my response read to him in 1130 and the early interactions between him and Sotty 208 and 346 seem like the type a partner would have. ABR's comments on Sotty in 1952 and 2026 and the reasons to not vote her in 1965, 2030 and the call out in 2183 make them possible partners as well, except why would scum ABR replace out if he could have continued antagonizing you as a distraction? ZZZX was the weaker of my townreads because a lot of his suspicions seemed rather pedestrian and push arguments that are more related to "bad play" than actual suspicion; which is something I often see scum do when they can't justify a reason to vote a player and Sotty but I don't really think his conviction to push the Nacho Plan is scum driven? (see Dynasty ft. GreyICE vs. ZZZX);

I haven't had the time to look into Kagami's posts; unfortunately I cannot be physically in a game that is as explosive as this one, let alone discern through Metal Sonic's 821 posts! Sotty's mention of him is kinda similar to the one on wgeurts but off the top of my head MS play overall feels very carefree and uncalculated, which is what I would expect from a town player. Also Sotty placing MS in her list of willing to lynch is weird, except If she's spread her partners in the not willing/willing/want to I would expect her to have them in her willing/won't tiers (I mean she had Kagami as a won't).

[ooba]

Wow! That's a lot of posts.

Here's what I see:
-

ZZZX

comes out (and always has been) a bit town in D4 play. His 'Let's make a plan' for town multiple times is a bit scummy, but the sheer aggression\emotionality is not something I see coming from scum.

I'm at the point where I can see a few potential two scum remaining:
a)

MS + Alchemist

: This remains a possibility. While MS is relatively absent except to defend himself, Alchemist seems to be thinking about the game.

b)

Wgeurts + mollie:

I hated that wgeurts had what can only be called as a 'survival fit' when being run up today.

Townies should not be afraid of dying in this setup if they are firm in their convictions - you can read the same thing in ZZZX during the Grey Argument

. MS has also shown survival tendencies.

The good thing about Wgeurts being scum is that there's only one possible partner: mollie - so his plan should be easy to analyse.

Wgeurts Plan

- First off, he puts himself in a town bloc with ZZZX so that itself is an auto win
a) Lynch Metal

D5: MS

b) "If Metal flips town we lynch greyICE. If metal's town we need to go back to the nacho plan, we've abandoned it too easily.
We shouldn't yet lynch ooba, he may still be town. So we'll leave him to a lylo with me and ZZZX, then we'll win knowing he's scum."
Aka an easy mislynch for LyLo - since I would look terribad if Metal flipped town

D6: Ice

c) "If ICE flips town we kill her vengeful: ABR. If ABR is scum he's way too powerful and persuasive to live in a LYLO, we need this slot sorted ASAP. Also following the vengeful is staying true to nacho."

D7: ABR\Alch

Leading to a D8 LyLo of Wgeurts\Mollie\Zar\Me\ZZZX.
I think that's an auto lynch on me right there.

c)

GreyIce + Zar

: I have strong town reads on both - but Zar didn't vote GI now so it could be a thing. Call this the 'Ghost of Nacho' team - because you can't help think 'What if I'm wrong and he was right?'.

---

I think all things considered wgeurts is the way to go.

Unvote. Vote: Wgeurts

There's first instincts to consider I guess.

What makes you so

sure

?

Posting. And his suspicions.

This is where I am right now: Sotty\Kagami and 2 from {Zar, Wgeu, Mollie}

Nacho-scum would have never pushed Sotty\Kagami\Zar.

---

^Pedit: Agreed that the Nacho wagon {ABR, MS} is town. But it's also wrong.

And reading back - both wgeurts and MS reaction to this are pretty bad. Also wgeurts didn't accept the "Vote Sotty - if he flips town, I'll vote Nacho tomorrow with you" without a rider that it needs an OK from ABR.

[ooba]

Grey, that's L-1. You've got your wgeurts lynch.

/inb4 ooba scum with ZZZX

[ooba]

I hated that wgeurts had what can only be called as a 'survival fit' when being run up today.

Townies should not be afraid of dying in this setup if they are firm in their convictions - you can read the same thing in ZZZX during the Grey Argument. MS has also shown survival tendencies.

Umm - just to clarify since this is unclear.

Scum definitely do not want to die today since it's game over if they do so.

Town on the other hand, don't really care if they can get scum reads lynched.

ZZZX, "I'll self vote if I can get Grey" is town

Wgeurts offering deals is not

DEAR GOD SOMEONE HAMMER METAL
Ice
My deal applies to Zar/Ice/ZZZX
Not having Alch with the votes

[wgeurts]

GreyICE is scum, I support ZZZX's plan and the bloc he's suggested. Ooba and Mollie, trust him and work with him. Yes mollie, even if he's not been playing with you up till now:
Also, I'm not up for venging alch. That was a mistake. Zar/ICE are probably the two final scum.
Ignore the opposition to your plan ZZZX, try to rally MS onto it. Ooba, ZZZX isn't lying when he says MS will be lynched if nobody else flips scum and fits the bill.

I see so much opposition, I think mafia know they're screwed if this works.
Choo choo

[wgeurts]

GreyICE's vote on you is also terrible.
"If wgeurts is town you're definetely scum!"
Never flips me
"You're scum!"
Does this make me town?
Also convenient that it happens when ZZZX comes with the plan.
Ooba and Metal. Please help us out.