mini 1662: Paint the village red

[Garmr]

confirming I'm sexy here. Oh also confirm in.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Slandaar

Policy

VOTE: Lynchable

No one votes slandy in a rvs no one.

[Garmr]

I do

VOTE: Slandaar

Policy, not RVS.

Why in the hell would you want to policy slandaar?

[Garmr]

I have had good experiences with slandaar sure I might not of been the best player at times but slandaars been consistently good. I also feel that when I'm town he understand the cases I am making as some other players sometimes miss the point. So no we won't have a policy of Slandaar.

[Garmr]

SKOT is in this game aswell? Town has no chance

That one I can laugh at because I have had my run ins with skot in the past.

On a another subject I do have a town read on radiantcowbells through. If she does turn out town I can start investigating a possible town tell in future games.

@radiant
What gender pronoun should I use for you he/she/it/they

[Garmr]

There's a fairly decent chance that my vote doesn't change at all today.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells
Serious vote.

Can I ask why you think radiant is scum since it's serious?

[Garmr]

Vote parking.

I don't really agree with that assessment.

[Garmr]

There's a fairly decent chance that my vote doesn't change at all today.

I'm just going to quote this again for you so you can read it.

My vote doesn't change today = vote parking.

I have said the same things as town before sometimes I carry through sometimes I don't. Also if Radiant is showing awareness of his/her/it surroundings and commenting on them and showing that radiant is trying to work out things I'm fine with keeping them around.

[Garmr]

That makes it sound like as long as someone is putting in *effort* they earn a town read from you.

That's pretty weak if that's the case.

Just like vote parking is a weak sauce excuse vote to begin with when It hasn't even been a whole day yet. But then again it's rvs.

Also scum slip up there's a difference between working things out and trying to look town. Also with lynchs and night kills information is provided player who have provided information are easier to read.

[Garmr]

then again it's coming out of rvs*

[Garmr]

Just like vote parking is a weak sauce excuse vote to begin with when It hasn't even been a whole day yet. But then again it's rvs.

This is weird because you both attacked and defended my action in the same sentence.

Not really weird since I just disagree with your reasoning. I'm not really to sure your motives behind it at the moment I'm trying to figure out if your thinking on a simple level or being opportunistic.

[Garmr]

Yeah, I wouldn't look too deep into the reasoning for voting somebody on p2.

It's still a legitimate vote though. It's easy for scum to vote park early in a game, watch the game from the sidelines to see what direction it starts to flow in and then make their decision for how they want to proceed from there.

Why would scum announce it through they wouldn't want the heat on them. You voting them is a perfect example as why it's also negative for scum. Radiant cowbells optimal as scum would not to announce it and just vote park till latter on in the game. that way you can avoid a lot of this suspicion.

The 'opportunistic' comment also seems like a buzzword you have just thrown out.

Can you explain how it's opportunistic?

It's a easy thoughtless vote that normally people wouldn't question you on.

[Garmr]

Why would scum announce it through they wouldn't want the heat on them. You voting them is a perfect example as why it's also negative for scum. Radiant cowbells optimal as scum would not to announce it and just vote park till latter on in the game. that way you can avoid a lot of this suspicion.

To preemptively counter any attack for their vote parking?

I think it looks much more suspicious to vote park quietly.

This is just entering wifom zone but anyway you put it they are drawing negative attention to themselves.

It's a easy thoughtless vote that normally people wouldn't question you on.

And the opportunity I have created for myself is...

Would of been a excuse to lay a easy vote for a while.

[Garmr]

This is just entering wifom zone but anyway you put it they are drawing negative attention to themselves.

No, they're not. It's not WIFOM, we simply have different opinions. WIFOM is an easy way to stop this discussion though.

Would of been a excuse to lay a easy vote for a while.

Oh, you mean like RadiantCowbells did...

It's wifom because we could keep going on forever about as it's basicly scum wouldn't do that because A,scum would do that because you wouldn't expect A, But scum knows that your thinking that way so scum would do this, but scum knows that scum knows. See my point about how you were going to draw that into wifom territory. I'm starting to feel like you have the simple thought process and are trying to sound smarter than you are.

Radiant seemed genuine with radiant's vote. You can easily read that and it flows well.

[Garmr]

wander what do you think of the convo between me and blu toffee?

[Garmr]

Why would scum announce it through they wouldn't want the heat on them. You voting them is a perfect example as why it's also negative for scum. Radiant cowbells optimal as scum would not to announce it and just vote park till latter on in the game. that way you can avoid a lot of this suspicion.

Do you have experience with RC that would suggest optimal scum play?

Also, VOTE: Garmr, Lynch All Liars and I'm pretty sure his first post contains a lie.

Well they do say being sexy is a crime and no experience with rc just concluding what I think is logical.

[Garmr]

Also my girlfriend thinks I'm sexy so it's not a lie

[Garmr]

peacebringers alt never seen him in his alt but I know he has it.

[Garmr]

My opinion about radiant hasn't changed.
Wanderers approach to the conversation makes me a bit suspicious. He took to the sidelines and there seems to be hesitance for the radiant vote.

Thanks for taking away a legitimate vote on RC for me.
I'm not the kind of person to add a vote to every push.

I think this post is extremely scummy. This is like why did you ruin my moment to vote thing.


I would explain it in more but I'm extremely frustrated and being rushed to make dinner. So that's just the basic sum of it.

[Garmr]

Oh almost forget since I'm rushed VOTE: wanderer

[Garmr]

@Garmr: what is making you townread RC?

But I find Rc pretty town as Rc town telled before even arguing with bluey. Also I don't really see her/his actions as scummy I already have argued this with blue.

My opinion about radiant hasn't changed.
Wanderers approach to the conversation makes me a bit suspicious. He took to the sidelines and there seems to be hesitance for the radiant vote.

Thanks for taking away a legitimate vote on RC for me.
I'm not the kind of person to add a vote to every push.

I think this post is extremely scummy. This is like why did you ruin my moment to vote thing.


I would explain it in more but I'm extremely frustrated and being rushed to make dinner. So that's just the basic sum of it.

I understand you feel this way. I shouldn't have said this because it's referring to an ongoing game to be perfectly honest.

Now, if I had voted RC when BBT asked me to

, would you not have questions about that?
I don't think I really could have made the right response here, other than to just do nothing. I can already read why BBT is voting so no need to ask that, and really, I'm still considering the possibility of scum establishing themselves as town early in the game. And I also don't follow unconfirmed players.

Your vote on me feels like a OMGUS-by-proxy. I look forward to your explanation.

And it feels really weird to read about myself as a male. But if you feel better calling me 'he', I'll get used to it.

I'm sorry wanderer about the gender thing.

Yeh but I don't understand why you wouldn't vote earlier as you didn't really show much indication of wanting to vote RC. Also why would you be worried about pressure on you if the belief is sincere?

I did semi explain it that it feels like you were waiting on the sidelines waiting for the right time to vote. In fact If I go through your iso the only time you actually show intention to vote Rc is when you think rc accuses you of being her number 1 vote if she wasn't here.

I read this as her saying blue is having you as the number 1 read. You haven't actually seemed to picked up on this and provided a omgus vote. Through misunderstanding I think you just slipped badly.

Also that was a bad attempt at prematurely trying to discredit my vote by calling it omgus by proxy pff.



PS dinner was delicious and so was the wine that followed :p.

[Garmr]

I think you*

[Garmr]

But I find Rc pretty town as Rc town telled before even arguing with bluey. Also I don't really see her/his actions as scummy I already have argued this with blue.

What is the town tell?

Not saying this is a tell I keep close and it works like 80% of the time. Plus if I said it I would have change my scum game in future games.

[Garmr]

Not saying this is a tell I keep close and it works like 80% of the time. Plus if I said it I would have change my scum game in future games.

I don't like this.

I have listed other reason why i think the slots town you can have those but I'm not giving up that town tell.

[Garmr]

Your other reasons being RC put *effort* into game?

Is that it?

Radiant showing awareness of her surroundings and not being deterred in what others think. None of your points on radiant are actually good.That stuck up attitude that sneaks through and a strong will radiates town

You say her ego is through the roof when your ego is just as high and even more laughable.

None of what Radiant has said actually indicates scum at all yet radiant gets a lot of flak.

You can see how she would reach her conclusion as town.


Oh and happy birthday pisskop.

[Garmr]

Also you wonderer town read seems forced. Are you one of those, type of people who town reads as you? If you are you have to fix that.

[Garmr]

My ego is high. I'm not going to deny that.

Most people who play this game have a high ego.

RC is not getting a lot of flak. Only I'm attacking her, and Wanderer has voted. That's not a lot of flak.

PEdit - Not at all. It's an early read but I feel good about it.

I'd that more than half the thread so far has been about the subject. So I consider that a lot of flak.

So you say I haven't provided much reasoning why radiant is a town read yet I provided way more reasoning than your really bad wander town read and pretty much debunked most of your points on radiant while you haven't even acknowledged my points on wanderer.

[Garmr]

What you consider reasoning for your town read, I consider null. RC could show awareness of her surroundings and not care what other people think as scum. How do you differentiate between town and scum here?

Wanderer seems cautious to me. The comment you found scummy (about me taking his vote away) I read as genuine frustration, most likely to come from town.

Town can be cautious but why would she of been cautious if she was town. You can tell wanderer only really reacted when she thought Radiant was accusing her of being scum.

[Garmr]

Part of me wants to vote for BBT. He and I have never been the same alignment, so that alone probably makes him scum, and I don't hate the idea of sheeping RC.

But then part of me just wants to stick it out on Garmr. Given the interaction between BBT and RC, given the opportunity to dig in and maybe figure out alignment on either of them, why go for the easy third-party vote on Wanderer? Do you think BBT and RC are both town? Or are you protecting one of them?

Just because I clash with Bbt with my ego and my read on a player doesn't mean I necessarily think his scum his nullish to me. Also I swear you haven't read a thing at all massive I am town reading RC are you saying that i should vote my town reads?

So the question to you massive is why should I vote a town read/null read over a scum read???????

[Garmr]

I rented out a holiday home with friends no access to the net will be gone 4-5 days

[Garmr]

That's right. It's strange for you to come out the gate at me though, given you know how I feel about you. This feels different and I'm not sure what to make of it atm. I wish you posted more, it takes me so long to work you out.

I blanket-trusted you based on flavor in our neighborhood in GOTG2 and it didn't pay off. I'm not interested in how you feel about me, not right now anyways. And I think someone has already pointed out that there are plenty of egos / vocal players. I don't think the town needs me to lead them.

Not yet anyways.

So the question to you massive is why should I vote a town read/null read over a scum read???????

You haven't said how you read BBT so why would I assume this is even true?

Just like vote parking is a weak sauce excuse vote to begin with when It hasn't even been a whole day yet. But then again it's rvs.

This is weird because you both attacked and defended my action in the same sentence.

Not really weird since I just disagree with your reasoning.

I'm not really to sure your motives behind it at the moment I'm trying to figure out if your thinking on a simple level or being opportunistic.

This implies a null read.

Unsure if you can't read or just reaching for a reason. I kinda expected more out of you massive.

[Garmr]

I think we've had a lot of personalities on display so far this game and lots of stuff that will help in later days but little to reveal alignments today. This stood out for me though:

Unlynchable is a useless sack insofar but I don't like any of the people who followed me onto it, and given Slandaar's posting so far it's possible his meta has changed over two years.

It seems premature to have such strong opinions about players as to use the "don't like any of the people who followed me onto it" line. It just feels off to me to use that line so early. It's usually a line reserved for reasoning about why you wouldn't join a wagon, not a way to spread uncertainty about players who apparently agree with your lynch choice. Just weird.

Second, the people who "followed' you onto the wagon were me (not sure why you don't like me?) and more interestingly, Garmr. Garmr has agreed with you on almost everything: he questioned Unlynchable's reasoning for wanting to policy lynch Slandaar like you did, he did some soft defence of you in post 36 and 40, and he's been at odds with BBT just as much as you have.

I see zero reason for you to have made that statement about the wagon you "started" (in as much as an RVS vote can be considered to start anything).

Finally, at this point Slandaar had made a single post, with a smiley face and nothing else. The choice of words "Slandarr's posting so far" is strange, it would seem more accurate to say "Slandaar's lack of posting so far". Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but this sort of thing tends to be a red flag to me that RadiantCowBells may have had communication with Slandaar outside of the game thread, or alternately, knows

Also, post 34, Garmr asks you how to address you with a gender appropriate pronoun, when later he is so unaware of Wanderer's gender that he calls her a him repeatedly. That's incongruous. Why so interested in your gender when apparently gender awareness is not otherwise an issue that he pays attention to?

Not sure when Garmr is going to be starting V/LA so not sure if he's going to be able to respond to any of this, unfortunately.

Also, for what it's worth, RadiantCowBell changed her "decent chance that my vote doesn't change today" vote already, as expected. Still don't understand what the point of that statement was.

Because I couldn't see radiant cowbells gender and the people on this site who don't use he or she get really snarky if you use the wrong gender pronoun. Kinda surprised wanderer didn't cut off my for a honest mistake (her avi reminds me of privates skype avatar.)

[Garmr]

Because I couldn't see radiant cowbells gender and the people on this site who don't use he or she get really snarky if you use the wrong gender pronoun. Kinda surprised wanderer didn't cut off my for a honest mistake (her avi reminds me of privates skype avatar.)

A reasonable explanation. Do you agree with the rest of the post where I point out how strange it is for RC to be disliking you for being on her wagon?

People say it all the time so not that strange. I would like some reasoning through.

[Garmr]

(quote in quote removed)
Because I couldn't see radiant cowbells gender and the people on this site who don't use he or she get really snarky if you use the wrong gender pronoun. Kinda surprised wanderer didn't cut off my for a honest mistake (her avi reminds me of privates skype avatar.)

I don't follow 'cut off my' so I don't understand what you meant there.

(You have your privates on skype?)

Cut off my balls.


(Maybe i do but it cost 40 bucks a hour jokes jokes. Private is a scummer that's male and has a cat pic that looks like your profile pic)

[Garmr]

Phone posting don't like scriptian this game

[Garmr]

So rainy here holiday consists of alcohol and cards against humanity having fun

[Garmr]

Phone posting be him e tonight wanderers last vote was scummy as fuck no matter what piskop flips

[Garmr]

Home

[Garmr]

Wanderer,scriptian, massive all seem pretty scummy to me

[Garmr]

Low hanging fruit.
Bji: ok. About Scripten's congruency, it was weird that he had a high level of certainty on BBT when his content at the time was on something Scripten viewed as "completely irrelevant." If anything, Scripten should have read BBT as scum for wasting time forcing an RC vote on something irrelevant.

Are you saying bji is low hanging fruit?

[Garmr]

I'm a officer of the law and one of you is under arrest.

(cop guilty)

Take a couple of guesses who's guilty

[Garmr]

Bji your looking a bit sweaty there and I don't see the point in holding it in as I could be killed any night.

Another problem with this guessing idea is that unless you refuse to reveal until every single player makes their guesses, then scum could easily just not participate. If you really want guesses, then I suggest you don't reveal until everyone has guessed.

Then it is easy to see who is hesitant problem solved. Besides I wasn't going to reveal till everyone guessed captain obvious

[Garmr]

lol, seriously? 1 guilty and a claim... :rollseyes:

You know me peacebringer. I always crave more information and I find this the most effective way.

[Garmr]

Other townies will

[Garmr]

Also going to say traditionally mods tend to put the mafia kill first then the others. So the slaandar being shoot by sk looks pretty suss to me especially when there's mafia motive to shoot him.

[Garmr]

I'm not sure what Garmr is expecting to achieve with his guessing game.

Can you tell us who we should be voting please?

If you can't see what I'm trying to achieve with who they think I caught then maybe mafia isn't the game for you?

[Garmr]

For a start, if it's a fake claim you can set it up pretty well with seeing where everyone else stands first.

Secondly, you're relying on what exactly? Because pretty much everything that anyone says in your guessing game will boil down to WIFOM.

You know you can fuck yourself

Here people is someone who was unwilling to provide any information and should be lynched because he was scared to answer something in case he outs a scumbuddy.

(no it's not blue toffee I inspected)

[Garmr]

Nice.

Please tell me how it would be even remotely possible for someone to out a scum buddy.

Please. I'm dying to hear it.

Oh fuck sake your new names blue waffle for just how much of a annoying fuck you are. Just humor me who do you think is scum I caught even through your not smart enough to get the general gist of it.

[Garmr]

[quote="In post 841, Bluewaffle]I'm scum or a Village Idiot lynching me in the future is fine.[/quote]

Ok that's some good advice

[Garmr]

I'm freaking sick of people not listing so fuck you all here's what you fucking wanted

VOTE: Wanderer-nl

she's scum

fucking shoot me tonight to put me out my misery.

[Garmr]

Wanderer your going to flip scum.

[Garmr]

you're* town*
ftfy

I know I'm town and that's why when you flip scum I'm getting shot tonight.

[Garmr]

There's some weird reactions I didn't expect to my guilty on wanderer I'm actually getting worried now I only have 2 shots and blew one.

[Garmr]

I knew it I knew massive was actually a freaking mafia.

Also may as well defend myself.

What would be the point of faking day cop as scum when I was under the radar due to my vla and was being town read by quite a few people the day before. If i was mafia I would of had the means to kill wanderer in the night phase.

My town motivation for faking day cop was because I believed in my heart that she was scum as you could tell from day 1 that she was my strongest scum read.

If you ask do I regret my action? Nope not all I believe some positive came out of it. I believe some of the reactions people had slipped knowing wanderer was town before I did my fake scum read.

[Garmr]

Don't put it on your wiki then and please don't cry like a little baby I'm going to hunt scum.

[Garmr]

You know what? If you're actually fucking town Garmr, I'm not going to put this game on my wiki, because I've never seen a game with more anti-town bullshit as this.

How about you spend the day telling us who your scumbuddies are, instead, since I really really doubt that post.

Also if you haven't seen a game with more anti town bs you haven't played much mafia. I seen fake cop reads the day before mylo and those ended up losing the game. If you want to argue I will have fun with that I like arguing when it isn't about personal stuff. But if you actually think I'm scum because of my behavior that's fine but if you think I'm scum because I have done a gambit (just not as big as this one) then you got another thing coming.


I don't feel comfortable doing a gambit like this as scum unless I had some insurance I wouldn't get lynched. (I don't)

peedit
Also scriptian if my game is absolute shit Tell me who hanged the TOWN DOCTOR also where was your right scum read (I had massive as scum)

[Garmr]

I'm going to chuck two scum reads out there and I feel I'm right about these two

I'm a officer of the law and one of you is under arrest.

(cop guilty)

Take a couple of guesses who's guilty

I'm guessing massive? He'd be the first out of your list of scumspects I'd check out.

All:

From my experience, claiming immediately with a cop guilty is good play. I held off on claiming a guilty one game (my first) and lost it for the town. Granted, I got my guilty right before LyLo, but still...

Funny how massive flipped scum last night. A normal person would jump straight to wanderer as I had been pushing her all day and no one else would of voted her. This makes me think massive was your scum buddy as

Hm. BBT is like 80-90% likely town this game. Garmr miiiight be town, but I don't have enough experience with him to read him clearly. Haven't seen anything else particularly notable. Radiant's "vote parking" thing is at best irrelevant to me right now.

Massive:

Why do you seem to be trying to bring us back into RVS with 60?

Massive:

Why do you seem to be trying to bring us back into RVS with 60?

Look, I'm allowed my RVS vote, and I sincerely doubt I'm going to drag anyone back into RVS with me. Or are you feeling kinda random again now? Considering that's your second post in the game, do you consider

yourself

out of RVS?

I'm certainly not going to tell you how to play the game, but I was surprised to see you doing RVS and also commenting on the game state. It seemed incongruous.

These two post together feel like your trying to coach massive here. what do you mean these two post aren't enough to prove coaching oh ok have another

This game is really hard to get into. It's like this smelly porridge of vendettas and policy lynches.

Massive:

Since Garmr is on V/LA, do you think you'll be using that time to hunt scum elsewhere? After all, you can't really get any more information out of him until he comes back.

Also if you were really angry at me I feel you would of said more choice words in your posts towards me I even tried to stir you up more. Seems fake as fuck

VOTE: Scriptian

[Garmr]

I do love how you're pushing scumhunting as "coaching." That one's interesting. Still pretty shit, but interesting.

Don't get how it's shit if you can't deny it I caught you lol.

[Garmr]

Also scriptian if my game is absolute shit Tell me who hanged the TOWN DOCTOR also where was your right scum read (I had massive as scum)

Wow, it's almost as if you know the alignments of other players or something! Also, pretty sure that I was talking about Pisskop's self-lynch being anti-town.

P-Edit: I really don't see how I should need to interact with you, but thanks for helping show I'm town. Am I next on the list of NKs?

The only thing that needs pointing out is I don't know the alignments of players otherwise I would of known wanderer was town. Also Massive is pretty easy to read as scum as he was completely different from his town self in frog mafia.

[Garmr]

question is, is scripten putting out fake rage?

What do you think of my point showing where scriptian was trying to coach massive.

[Garmr]

So blue other than the gambit which I wouldn't of done as scum anyway can you point out a reason as to why I would be scum?

[Garmr]

I don't need to.

You're so obviously scum. Like, I'm not even debating it.

That's pretty pathetic reasoning why are you even on this site.

[Garmr]

Have to ask you a question based on this serious of posts.

Could you please? With Slandaar flipping town, I'm pretty happy to sheep his logic from yesterday. Not only that, but the Slandaar NK makes a decent amount of sense for a scum trying to play toward a fake post restriction or just weird playstyle mode.

What makes you think scum killed Slandaar?

Could you please? With Slandaar flipping town, I'm pretty happy to sheep his logic from yesterday. Not only that, but the Slandaar NK makes a decent amount of sense for a scum trying to play toward a fake post restriction or just weird playstyle mode.

What makes you think scum killed Slandaar?

Either scum or a SK makes the most sense to me. Why would a town vig shoot Slandaar?

Why would a SK kill Slandaar?

Why on day 2 did you think that Slandaar wasn't killed by scum aka mafia I was complementing not bringing this up in case you were a town vig but then I thought to myself. "If he was a town vig and his fiercely scum reading me he would of shot me and not massive and wouldn't of shoot slandaar since you said he could be town."

Basically that whole Convo Hints that you have knowledge about the kills since standard mafia usually has the mafia kill first. Why did you jump at the mention at why a sk would kill slaandar and ignore why would scum kill slandaar?


I am pretty curious?

[Garmr]

^That's the worst vote count I have ever seen and Proves pretty much nothing as it has no point.

[Garmr]

worst vote count anaylsis

[Garmr]

Your point were scum like to rvs other scum members? which isn't always true and isn't a solid point at all.

Also that he pretended to believe my gambit just so he can mislynch a player and that makes me scum because????

Not only that but you miss out on some interactions between me and massive.

That's right. It's strange for you to come out the gate at me though, given you know how I feel about you. This feels different and I'm not sure what to make of it atm. I wish you posted more, it takes me so long to work you out.

I blanket-trusted you based on flavor in our neighborhood in GOTG2 and it didn't pay off. I'm not interested in how you feel about me, not right now anyways. And I think someone has already pointed out that there are plenty of egos / vocal players. I don't think the town needs me to lead them.

Not yet anyways.

So the question to you massive is why should I vote a town read/null read over a scum read???????

You haven't said how you read BBT so why would I assume this is even true?

Just like vote parking is a weak sauce excuse vote to begin with when It hasn't even been a whole day yet. But then again it's rvs.

This is weird because you both attacked and defended my action in the same sentence.

Not really weird since I just disagree with your reasoning.

I'm not really to sure your motives behind it at the moment I'm trying to figure out if your thinking on a simple level or being opportunistic.

This implies a null read.

Unsure if you can't read or just reaching for a reason. I kinda expected more out of you massive.

This is him trying to find a reason to cling onto a vote on someone and park it. His answer shows he hasn't been reading my posts carefully which put him in my watch pile and during

VLA VERY LIMITED ACCESS

I put him in my scum list.

[Garmr]

Hm. Maybe I'm being hardheaded with PB, but I seriously cannot see town holding the viewpoint that Garmr isn't confscum.

If it wasn't obvious, I wasn't going for VCA. I was pointing out associatives. Wanted to try a wholly logical approach.

As peace bringer said I just showed your associative tells suck donkey balls.

[Garmr]

as bringer said and I just showed

[Garmr]

Also, Garmr is dead on with that call about BBT. That could easily have been a slip.

He also didn't address it when he came back I think his hopping it goes unnoticed.

[Garmr]

wait that was hammer?

[Garmr]

@rc

I kinda agree with that I also forgot about Mofonugen existence till I saw the vote count.

[Garmr]

You are a tracker and you assume that town has vig after a doctor has already flipped riiiiiigghhhhttt.

[Garmr]

I think that counts as playing against wincon. Same with Pisskop. Both deserves some mod action.

If I nailed massive instead of Wanderer you would of called it a great play and I would of been night killed there's a reason it's called gambit. A gambit doesn't deserve mod action.

[Garmr]

When they lynch scum through the pay off is good. But that aside I'm kinda getting worried about monofugan being silent and all.

[Garmr]

I actually cannot believe Scripten just got lynched.

Garmr survived.

Town should be fucking embarrassed right now.

You are probably sk or you could be scum since you did acknowledge that mafia had a motive to kill slandaar but then quickly denied sk didn't.

Use your kill how ever you want.

[Garmr]

Actually scripts going to flip scum.

Because when I claimed cop he openly accepted it there was no hesitation at first and quickly named massive lol. If he was a tracker he would of at least shown some resistance.

Also he only gave last nights results and not the night before probably to his scum buddies to role hunt.

[Garmr]

I'm pretty confident that script is trying to bs us before he flips.

[Garmr]

is tomorrow mylo/lylo?

[Garmr]

I think it's obvious that blue blooded toffee is scum of some kind .

[Garmr]

I believe Peace bringer and even if he is the sk if it's a 2:2:1 scenario and town are pretty much fucked anyway so I'm willing to vote blue blooded.

[Garmr]

Also the role blocker would probs be mafia after all we had a tracker,doctor flip and if you are really vig then that means mafia has a roleblocker.

[Garmr]

Also this is a note at

scriptian

You really annoyed me yesterday but I thought you were just scum flailing when you flipped town it agitated me even more. So this is my message to you.

I can see you raging in the dead thread knowing I'm town if you have spoilers. Calling me a awful player and such but what you don't realize you are just as bad if not worse. You were a tracker and quite happily accepted that I was a cop straight off the bat after we had a dr flip. Dude it's not that hard to realize it was a fake claim if you actually have that sort of information.

Then the next day you went all stupid and focused on me being scum when it would of been the worst move ever and I consider myself a competent scum player winning a majority of my games and sometimes being praised for my scum play by the mod. I don't win those games by lynching town with fake cop claims and drawing the heat when I was in comfortable position that's to much risk even for me. I don't think anyone actually will do that.


I think why you got lynched also shows you had bad play as you got too emotional and when you were emotional you didn't provide any real cases. The case you finally did provide was pretty bad and looked like a bad attempt to copy my case against you.

Also if you were better than me like you were implying you would realized I was town and still shout abuse at me or provided a incorrect case that was actually logical and didn't have all the emotional bullshit. Which would got me mislynched or just got yourself ignored but at least then you would shown a logical path as to why you thinking what you were thinking.

[Garmr]

After a bit of thinking and a pint of bourban I have finally decided that voting is the best course of action as lynching scum is the only way town has a chance of winning waiting a day if the scum numbers more than two could lead us to a loss if peace is a sk which I doubt and if he is he deserves a win.

VOTE: blue waffle

[Garmr]

A vig would have shot me

At the moment I don't understand why mafia would kill mono

[Garmr]

No you won't have the hammer vote on blue blood that is my privilege. I'm going to let Blue blood waffle run me up to L-1 and all he loses because of his stupidity. Also I think it's pretty obvious your not a bullet proof townie but a bs artist which Is fine. If you are town it will be a glorious lynch were I can smile as I wrap the rope around his neck.

Why wanderer is kinda stupid question through she was my number 1 scum read, she started off passive taking the sideline view and got omgussy, Her vote on pisskop was the pushing point because I thought she be smarter as town but I could see a scum member saying whoops a mistake.

Also I'm glad we culled her and scriptian have no regrets now.


@Blue blood

Explain now why you have knowledge of the order of the night kills. You were correcting scriptian day 2. You interest was also peaked in why a sk would slaandar which makes me believe you were trying to sk hunt while not releasing that you had any extra information.

[Garmr]

See why I'm still a little skeptical I just know that rushing mylo's in the past have bad results for me even when I'm right. Plus I want to be the one to hang blue waffle and watch him squeal from a rope for personal reasons.

Now -places a finger on radiantcowbells lip- Be quiet for a moment and have a little think then tell me How you feel about the game. Even if you lynch me I don't really care to much as it would be a learning experience. But I want at least a little clarity and blue waffle to answer some things since his been dodging my question all game and now he can fucking finally answer it since his forced to try and look better in lylo unless you allow him to get away with it then I be pissed.

[Garmr]

I will vote after blue waffle answers my questions want to know things and at least gain some understanding.


Mylo =mislynch and lose

But i guess the correct term is LyLo Lynch-or-Lose.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Garmr

Easy game.

Well now you can answer my question since I'm hated townie and you just got me lynched

1.What in the world made you slip up have knowledge of the night kills day 2?
2.Why would you refuse answering my questions you could of easily made up some excuse
3.Why kill monfo?

[Garmr]

The fact that you haven't voted me makes it pretty obvious you're scum.

You were waiting to see how the game would develop first. You didn't want to vote me in case I entered the game and attacked RC. You wanted to make sure you left both windows of opportunity open.

Well the hated townie thing didn't work.


The fact I didn't vote instantly makes me cautious of the situation I have been burned before by instantly voting even when I was correct.

I am annoyed rc was trying to take control of the situation Even through I do comply with getting asked question if you tell me do something I will ignore people and do my own way. Also if you can't see the offer I made

No you won't have the hammer vote on blue blood that is my privilege. I'm going to let Blue blood waffle run me up to L-1 and all he loses because of his stupidity. Also I think it's pretty obvious your not a bullet proof townie but a bs artist which Is fine. If you are town it will be a glorious lynch were I can smile as I wrap the rope around his neck.

The offer was made to test rc a bit also to clear away the remaining doubt. The set up to the test is she will end up in the same situation as she was in the first place but the time it takes is diffrent. It makes no difference who the actual hammer is because in the she still makes the decision on who get's lynched.
But It requires patience scum wouldn't have in that position. When in the end she said she will sleep it off I just concluded she got emotional from being challenged If she was scum she could of easily made a excuse to lay down a vote on me during that engagement.


I still feel a bullet proof townie is a lie but I Lied about being cop and hateful townie just now so lying isn't always a scum thing. I feel The town motive of the would to be make sure that mafia shot peacebringer who could of been sk.

UNLIKE YOU I don't have knowledge of who town is or not so I did have some doubt.

VOTE: Bluebloodedtoffee

[Garmr]

Of course she is BP.

Do you really think the Mod would place a full town-vig in the game and not provide at least one townie with a BP ability?

I had no doubt about you once you faked a cop guilty. It looks like a good play, but that's only because town insisted on playing badly.

So you select fully respond to my posts and don't answer questions lol.

[Garmr]

I don't need to answer your questions.

I'm just highlighting your faulty thought process.

It's not faulty with a vig,dr and tracker why would we need a bullet proof town that's a really role heavy town list which I don't think would would pass a mod inspection.

Even I am wrong it still doesn't change my opinion of her.


Also faulty thought process's tend to be a town thing. Kissing someone's ass isn't. Why are you trying to push it as a scum point?

[Garmr]

I don't need to push anything as a scum point.

You faked a cop guilty on town. Nobody thought you could be scum because 'what would he gain from it?' Well now they know.

It got you to LyLo.

I don't need to say anything about why you're scum because it's blatantly obvious.

I have proven multiple times that I can get to mylo with out doing something like that. Your entire case is my cop guilty was scum motivated, You haven't made any points as why I would be scum other than that.

I pointed out multiple things that seem scum motivated from you

You're slip of knowledge day 2, The way you jumped when scriptian mentioned sk motive for killing slandaar but then suddenly went low key. The way you refuse giving cases since I did my fake cop claim not once did you try to gain information you were just hiding behind garmr is scum and accusing pb of being the sk you didn't even try to access the others or question there moves and since the start of yesterday It quite easy to see you starting to try and buddy rcfan.

[Garmr]

Also unless your actually going to make a case against me blue blooded what is even the point of you posting going look his scum look his scum?

Kissing ass and point a finger while jumping up and down is amateurish stuff.

[Garmr]

and pointing fingers

[Garmr]

I was scum btw.

Nah not really.

Both of you, answer the questions I asked yesterday.

I already did.

Why wanderer is kinda stupid question through she was my number 1 scum read, she started off passive taking the sideline view and got omgussy, Her vote on pisskop was the pushing point because I thought she be smarter as town but I could see a scum member saying whoops a mistake.

[Garmr]

@RC

can I use you for a tool for a sec.

Make blue blooded answer my question of how he knew the kill order which was mafia kills and which was vigs.

[Garmr]

BBT, how do you feel about day 1 vs where we are now?

I'm not sure what you're asking?

I feel it would be fairly bad (read: stupid) play from me, as scum, to leave you alive in LyLo after you've been gunning for me all game. Like, of all the people I could keep alive for LyLo, why would I bring you?

Is there anything else referring to D1? I've assumed you're referring to the whole me vs you thing, if not, direct me.

You were hunting for power roles and concluded that rc was vanilla or figured out that she was bulletproof. You were killing for your team mates and not for yourself, You didn't want the night kills to connect to you. When you did kill for yourself you killed peace bringer who's smart enough to realize you are scum for now. There's plenty of reasons.

[Garmr]

Well, I did nestle a BP into an earlier claim because I was concerned that a vig would claim with a shot on me.

Link the posts where you think BBT revealed knowledge of who shot who.

This has been said a thousand time you can even find this information in my iso grr but fine.

Have to ask you a question based on this serious of posts.

Could you please? With Slandaar flipping town, I'm pretty happy to sheep his logic from yesterday. Not only that, but the Slandaar NK makes a decent amount of sense for a scum trying to play toward a fake post restriction or just weird playstyle mode.

What makes you think scum killed Slandaar?

Could you please? With Slandaar flipping town, I'm pretty happy to sheep his logic from yesterday. Not only that, but the Slandaar NK makes a decent amount of sense for a scum trying to play toward a fake post restriction or just weird playstyle mode.

What makes you think scum killed Slandaar?

Either scum or a SK makes the most sense to me. Why would a town vig shoot Slandaar?

Why would a SK kill Slandaar?

Why on day 2 did you think that Slandaar wasn't killed by scum aka mafia I was complementing not bringing this up in case you were a town vig but then I thought to myself. "If he was a town vig and his fiercely scum reading me he would of shot me and not massive and wouldn't of shoot slandaar since you said he could be town."

Basically that whole Convo Hints that you have knowledge about the kills since standard mafia usually has the mafia kill first. Why did you jump at the mention at why a sk would kill slaandar and ignore why would scum kill slandaar?


I am pretty curious?

Since we know the shots came from a vig this shows

his interest to sk hunt/ He also slipped that mafia had actual no motive to kill slandaar how could you miss this when I been talking about it aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll game.

[Garmr]

He's even got some association tell with massive

Part of me wants to vote for BBT. He and I have never been the same alignment, so that alone probably makes him scum, and I don't hate the idea of sheeping RC.

But then part of me just wants to stick it out on Garmr. Given the interaction between BBT and RC, given the opportunity to dig in and maybe figure out alignment on either of them, why go for the easy third-party vote on Wanderer? Do you think BBT and RC are both town? Or are you protecting one of them?

He shows that BBt might be a scum read but never does he actually pursue it. Makes the classic we never been the same alignment before but is now tell.

That's right. It's strange for you to come out the gate at me though, given you know how I feel about you. This feels different and I'm not sure what to make of it atm. I wish you posted more, it takes me so long to work you out.

I blanket-trusted you based on flavor in our neighborhood in GOTG2 and it didn't pay off. I'm not interested in how you feel about me, not right now anyways. And I think someone has already pointed out that there are plenty of egos / vocal players. I don't think the town needs me to lead them.

Not yet anyways.

So the question to you massive is why should I vote a town read/null read over a scum read???????

You haven't said how you read BBT s

o why would I assume this is even true?

Look how Worked up his getting over me having suspicion on BBT Yet BBT is one of his scum reads.

Explain to me why this isn't caught scum backpedalling from an indefensible position.

Well, you seem convinced.

If I were as smart as you and I was convinced about something, I'd immediately reconsider it.

This right here is the real reason that removing the quote information is bad. Personal attack with no context / no reference. I think there must be a tactical reason you do this, since people have already pointed out how easy it is to NOT do this. I also know it's not alignment-indicative. Is it to make it difficult to ISO you? Is it to force people to read you in-context?

Massive:

Since Garmr is on V/LA, do you think you'll be using that time to hunt scum elsewhere? After all, you can't really get any more information out of him until he comes back.

You know, I just might! Stay tuned!

I want to go back and look at RC / BBT ("caught for the wrong reasons" I remember standing out to me) and bji / Slandaar, but it will probably require me to wake up a little more.

Still goes for BBT even through his chainsawing for him by voting me for having some suspicion on BBT

unvote

That was pretty thoughtful and pretty town. Not exactly sure why you pick one of the lurkers over BBT to vote on, maybe you could expound on that?

Calsl people out for not voting BBT yet doesn't vote BBT himself.

[Garmr]

298

Need to see more from quite a few people actually;

Unlynchable, massive,

Mofo, Slandaar, and PB. Too many people not doing anything.

I need to read this again thoroughly but I'm really disliking Pisskop this game.

This is the second time (first time with me and RC) that he has sat on the sidelines poking someone with a stick. He is seriously hard defending/buddying RC and it feels all kinds of wrong.

I want to see more from pacman. Pet peeve is when people promise content and it never comes. Also need more from Slandaar, Mofo, Unlynchable and massive. I would bet on there being at least one scum in the lurky people.

Scripten is town. Wanderer is town. BJI is town. Garmr is probably town. As much as I hate to say it RC is also probably town as well.

Scum pool is narrowing.

Pisskop if you're town I'm probably going to avoid playing with you in the future.

That's exquisite timing you have there Unlynchable.

Massive is there a reason you're not contributing anything?

Slandaar I don't get the Wanderer scum read at all.

Part of me wants to vote for BBT. He and I have never been the same alignment, so that alone probably makes him scum, and I don't hate the idea of sheeping RC.

But then part of me just wants to stick it out on Garmr. Given the interaction between BBT and RC, given the opportunity to dig in and maybe figure out alignment on either of them, why go for the easy third-party vote on Wanderer? Do you think BBT and RC are both town? Or are you protecting one of them?

That's right. It's strange for you to come out the gate at me though, given you know how I feel about you. This feels different and I'm not sure what to make of it atm. I wish you posted more, it takes me so long to work you out.

What if Wanderer-nl is an alt who is keeping the idea of a no lynch in our subconscious minds and selectively plays games only as scum? I think this is worth exploration

Slandaar still needs to be lynched

Wow, you do actually post words? This is a significant progression in your gameplay. Well done.

As for the actual post, it makes no sense.

Just notice how he addresses these two at the same time every time one is mentioned he talks to another one. He defend unlynchable saying his a easy lynch. Yet latter he says it will be ok if unlynchable is lynched yet never pressures one of them.

Just Iso massive when ever massive is mentioned unlynchable is not far behind. (when both alive)


Scum this game have been so fucking sloppy it's obvious now after a couple of flips.

[Garmr]

Should be obvious by now who's town and who's scum.

If your still doubting make BlueWaffle give you a case on me that isn't him crying about my fake cop. He isn't competent enough as scum to make a fake logical case on me or even disprove any one of my points. The best he can do is ignore everything I say and try to win you over by being a submissive little kitten to you kinda laughable really.

So want to put Bluewaffle in a bag with a heavy stone and drop him into the river.

[Garmr]

Garmr honestly regardless of the result and your important part in it, it was a dick move to fake that claim and you need to not do that again as town.

Don't plan to only wanted to try it once.

[Garmr]

Also surviving is my forte. I didn't feel like I would get lynched after the fake cop claim.

[Garmr]

Garmr honestly regardless of the result and your important part in it, it was a dick move to fake that claim and you need to not do that again as town.

It did some good results and made bbt slip his game from day 2 onwards it also gave me tons of town cred with the more experienced players which if the scum was from this era or couldn't think critically which I was banking on. Would not see what was coming. I guess it's the benefit of being on site during a meta shift aka new players in old players out.


It also got rid of two of the people bbt had under his control wanderer/(scriptian to a lesser extent) . I think if any of those two players reached lylo with BBT. From the start of day 2 a lot of my moves were calculated. Through wanderer had massive/unlychable pegged and I could of worked with her on it but I also saw her being the death of me as well.

Morally it was a bad move and I won't do that again for that reason.


The reason I wanted bbt gone before unlynchable was because I saw unlynchable as obvious day 4 mafia and was most likely a goon by his actions. BBT was more likely to flip a power role.

It also gives the newer players experience to think in a whole new way other than black and white.

[Garmr]

Is it bad that I was extremely happy that bji was the night kill and it probably helped town out that he was at that point.

[Garmr]

Is it bad that I was extremely happy that bji was the night kill and it probably helped town out that he was at that point.

I think it would have helped more if you had been NK'd, but in the end, the game was won, mostly because PB hit massive and then made a good call against Unlynchable. Really, PB was the MVP of this game.

Nah I don't think it would of helped I think it would of put the game in a unwinnable state since scum wouldn't of killed me and that would force peacebringer to meaning massive wouldn't of been shot and you seemed to have a town read boner for massive at the end of day 2. Then I see bbt using you as a tool to lynch monofgun and winning.

Will agree that peacebringer was mvp he was easy to town read but then again if it was me killed and you alive I can easily see you going to lynch peace bringer judging from your talks in the dead thread. Only after information was revealed that town didn't have did you actually start making correct assumptions.

Stupid af that he fakeclaimed twice to gambit though.

I was looking down on Blue blood tbh because he underestimated me

[Garmr]

I'm going to be totally honest

there was literally a 0% chance of me not lynching bbt today.

But you still toyed with my heart

[Garmr]

It was pretty obvious you were VT to me but bbt was easily fooled lol. Also that was a good play your fake claim. You were easy to town read and I had a strong town read on you day 1 so I guess that helped.

I was a bit cautious in the at least bit through because I been burned before in mylo. So I decided not to rush.

[Garmr]

@peacebringer

Surprised you weren't suspicious of me through after nero did the fake cop claim thing and got town read for it last game and called mvp. I remembered that and how scum fucked up a bit after reviewing it so I did it not caring if it wanderer was town or not because I assumed scum would react.

It was a dick move but it had merit.


Look at how bloody resilient bbt was to giving information it made him look worse. Then tried to turn it round on me only to find it was a gambit and go along with me was really bad play.

[Garmr]

@rc

I guess because we lost scriptian that was a Minor set back to town. But then again I think the play evened out because even through it sort of keeped you alive it defiantly keeped me alive and even through I shouldn't I have a habit of prioritizing my own survival compared to others as town because unless you have a role that confirms someone else or they are confirmed town a player should always take top priority in surviving because you know that you are town.
But like I said I don't regret the fake cop thing because I never have done it before and it was a learning experience But I won't do it again.

Through I am aware that doing this again will not guarantee the same positive result and they could be extremely negative.


Tbh through I was about 80% sure wanderer was scum after the pisskop thing because I thought it be obvious pisskop was town. Only after the lynch was achieved I fell into doubt.



Also rc I am the type of player that can turn around a game for a town win even I do something stupid early game
like claiming my real role hider day 1 and pretending to lynch myself

[Garmr]

In short I know the fake cop was a bad thing to do I knew that before I started but because I never done it before I have to try it once just once to see what it's like. It's the type of person I am in game and real life to.

@rc

[Garmr]

[Garmr]

Wrong picture oh but it is cute.

I noticed something recently player are coming from other sites now and bringing their meta and the meta has shifted and experienced players have left.

I feel like knowledge has been lost and these newer people are slowly learning things which were common knowledge a year or two ago.

@Bji
I'm only treating you this way because of what you said in the dead thread.

[Garmr]

@bji

Also you are calling me a bad player while you have no experience (I checked) or even researched my play style. The way you attacked pisskop and me in the dead thread acting like you are pro or something.

I have some pretty consistent games now and have been winning a majority of them lately. I have also had plenty of skype mafia experience and experience before this site.

Now imagine a player who has very Little experience has much to learn and acting arrogant mouthing off to people who had years experience and doesn't actually understand the situation or some of the ideas put out there to the full extent. Now imagine Your one of them experienced players how would you feel about that.

[Garmr]

@bji

Also you are calling me a bad player while you have no experience (I checked) or even researched my play style. The way you attacked pisskop and me in the dead thread acting like you are pro or something.

I have some pretty consistent games now and have been winning a majority of them lately. I have also had plenty of skype mafia experience and experience before this site.

Now imagine a player who has very Little experience has much to learn and acting arrogant mouthing off to people who had years experience and doesn't actually understand the situation or some of the ideas put out there to the full extent. Now imagine Your one of them experienced players how would you feel about that.

Everyone thought your fake claim sucked, not just me. Are you going to vent at everyone?

Was pointing out you were a cunt to piskop to but even through the fake cop was the wrong thing to do I was still town enough able to scum hunt effectively and even through they thought it sucked they weren't a whiny little brat about it and the good players moved on.

[Garmr]

Probably should calm down a bit sorry

[Garmr]

You did all right wanderer but I just have a habit of eliminating people who go against my ideal and were a scum read. If you look at your reads other than your scum read on me and piskop they were really accurate and logical I didn't realize you were scum reading blue I was also somewhat suspicious of him then and didn't voice it

[Garmr]

Was pointing out you were a cunt to piskop to but even through the fake cop was the wrong thing to do I was still town enough able to scum hunt effectively and even through they thought it sucked they weren't a whiny little brat about it and the good players moved on.

Pisskop deserved it. I reported him, I don't know if that's going to go anywhere.

Also I didn't see you being right about

anything

until the very last day, and BBT was kind of obvscum at that point. But whatever.

And, the degree to which you feel it is necessary to insult people using the filthiest terms possible really puts your insecurity about your play on display.

This game was so putrid to play due to the personalities involved.

your personality was putrid as well yet you don't acknowledge that. BTW I was right with my town reads and massive early games and I don't think I had a scum member on my town list unlike you.

[Garmr]

Garmr, I'm so surprised you made it to LyLo. We assumed you were an auto-lynch after your fake guilty. You played pretty well during LyLo, and as evidenced in scum PT, I knew the game was already over. There was no way either of you or RC were voting each other. Garmr, I genuinely didn't understand the slip you thought I made either.

Cheers I thought you were looking down on me I am pretty hard to lynch. The slip was you knew which kill was which and the only people supporting that idea were you and peacebringer. Peacebringer was the vig/sk and I had a town read on him before I figured that out.

Day 3 I kinda realized that scriptian wasn't scum if you were but I wanted you both lynched so I had to push you from a sk angle even through I kinda thought peace might be vig/sk from the massive kill. But tbh I really didn't care if scriptian was gone as he was the least likely to be considered town In a mylo if he made it there (I would likely of been lynched if he was alive).

[Garmr]

No, not at all Garmr, I was just doing what I had to do as scum to try and win.

Yeah, I really wanted to bring Scripten to LyLo, that would have been the ideal situation.

I'm still not sure I understand the slip. I asked why scum would kill Slandaar and I asked why SK would kill Slandaar. Meh, it doesn't really matter now.

WP town.

Oh the slip was because of the kill orders most mods I seen put the mafia kill first everyone would assume that the mafia kill would be slaandar plus slandaar was pretty town so it was surprising a vig would kill him. You only asked why a vig and sk would have the intention to kill slandaar you forgot to add the mafia.into the equastion when discussing it. The way you worded it felt like you had knowledge of the circumstances to even through you were pretending not to.