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Post Post #975 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 6:46 pm

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In post 973, massive wrote:
In post 972, FA_Q2 wrote:The longer the day goes on the more I am convinced that my vote is in the right place.

That's funny, because the more often you post, the more I see you defending Randomidget and having no case whatsoever on Fitz.

Then vote me for it. You will be disappointed by the result if you manage to lynch me though.
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Post Post #976 (ISO) » Sun May 10, 2015 6:47 pm

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In post 974, Wickedestjr wrote:FA_Q2, what do you think of vikingfan?

I don't like the viking wagon because of something that I think I seen earlier with his posts. Not something that I will get into right now though.
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Post Post #977 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:12 am

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Is it correct to say your entire case on havingfitz is because he's pushing to lynch Randomidget?
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Post Post #978 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2015 5:05 am

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Please prod vikingfan and Kop.

We might have lost Kop... :(
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Post Post #979 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2015 7:07 am

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im about, I have been super busy, work has been throwing work at me like there is no tomorrow. I will have a look tomorrow, as right now I am totally shattered and my body is in desperate need for sleep.
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Post Post #980 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2015 8:34 am

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In post 977, massive wrote:
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Is it correct to say your entire case on havingfitz is because he's pushing to lynch Randomidget?

Yes and no.

My problem is not that he is pushing rando – that is what a townie needs to do, push who they think are scum. My issue with fits is that he pushes rando not because he thinks he is scum but because ‘we don’t want him in lylo.’ And he pushes very hard for what I would normally consider a PL.

I don’t see the townie motivation in his posts.
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Post Post #981 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2015 9:51 am

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I've had this thought niggling around my head for a few days now and I can't figure out how to verbalize it fully.

I kinda agree with Fitz because the whole idea of Rando being town is predicated upon the idea that scum have a role blocker or some sort of protective role saved Viking. I am discounting the protect on Viking because why would anyone save him? So that leaves a rb or a lying Rando. If Rando was playing the game and helping us find scum in anyway shape or form then this would probably be a different discussion. However he's not. Barring scum slipping in some catastrophic way and outing themselves I think that Rando would be a good lynch for information and to save us from ourselves later in the game.

Think about it. Rando comes to lylo with us and we are stuck in the same situation with him. If there is a rb do you think he's going to allow Rando to get a shot off, and that is taking into account that Rando has any shots left. If Rando is lying then we are right back where we started.

You keep calling this a policy lynch when its really not. Would you consider lynching one of two people who've claimed the same role as a policy lynch? No, you would not.
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Post Post #982 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2015 10:36 am

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So you're saying either:

(a) Randomidget is lying about his shot and is scum, or
(b) scum have a roleblocker that blocked Randomidget

Doesn't (b) point to scum-Kop?
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Post Post #983 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2015 11:18 am

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prod dodge, been busy the last couple days, will post later tonight or tomorrow.
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Post Post #984 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2015 12:50 pm

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FA....why are you ignoring my post 959? And what are your thoughts on 961?

If I thought random idgit was town I wouldn't be trying to lynch him. Stop pushing the PL BS.

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Post Post #985 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:56 pm

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Massive, theoretically. I think that the smart scum play would be to block him unless you knew he was shooting town, which now that I just thought of that makes me want to go back to see who was advocating for handcuffing. If Rando is town, and if scum thought the shot might go some place else they'd block regardless.
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Post Post #986 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2015 4:33 pm

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In post 982, massive wrote:So you're saying either:

(a) Randomidget is lying about his shot and is scum, or
(b) scum have a roleblocker that blocked Randomidget

Doesn't (b) point to scum-Kop?


Is that what your going to push for? So I'm assuming at this point you don't speak in scenarios or possibilities? We use night actjons , lynches to gain information and the information at hand was what I was gathering, and by playing these games for a while, gaining knowledge of roles and mechanics, me stating what could have possibly happened doesn't mean I am scum.

And whilst I am thinking about it, there is a distinct possibility behind that statement of yours , this could be a method to pin something onto me and to try pin some sort of wagon onto me, once I am mislynched then POI can go back to lynching random and you gain two lynches nearer end game. Does that scenario make you scum? Possibly.
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Post Post #987 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2015 8:09 pm

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Why does scenario b point to kop scum?
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Post Post #988 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2015 8:35 pm

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Because you, Kop, and Oka were the scum reads yesterday when you claimed Vig. Oka was lynched, which left you to vig Kop as per the discussion you chose not to participate in decided was the best course of action. If scum has a rb then the idea that you would kill scumKop would have scared them into blocking you. Therefore scumKop lives. However, this again is based off you actually being town.
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Post Post #989 (ISO) » Mon May 11, 2015 11:20 pm

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But I said I wasn't shooting kop,
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Post Post #990 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 1:10 am

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I like Fish's post 981.

random idgit...why didn't you use your kill N1? And why do you think you still have a shot?
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Post Post #991 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 2:14 am

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In post 989, Randomnamechange wrote:But I said I wasn't shooting kop,

You did absolutely no such thing. You completely avoided the conversation that occurred regarding who we expected you to shoot. Your last post before the discussion is 808-and you do not comment on the discussion at all in 832 or 835 which are about Oka, and those are your only posts before the next day.
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Post Post #992 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 2:15 am

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Ah damn it I knew I should have previewed.
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Post Post #993 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:16 am

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In post 989, Randomnamechange wrote:But I said I wasn't shooting kop,


Guess you forgot to post that as well...
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Post Post #994 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 4:37 am

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In post 981, Formerfish wrote:I kinda agree with Fitz because the whole idea of Rando being town is predicated upon the idea that scum have a role blocker or some sort of protective role saved Viking. I am discounting the protect on Viking because why would anyone save him? So that leaves a rb or a lying Rando. If Rando was playing the game and helping us find scum in anyway shape or form then this would probably be a different discussion. However he's not. Barring scum slipping in some catastrophic way and outing themselves I think that Rando would be a good lynch for information and to save us from ourselves later in the game.

Think about it. Rando comes to lylo with us and we are stuck in the same situation with him. If there is a rb do you think he's going to allow Rando to get a shot off, and that is taking into account that Rando has any shots left. If Rando is lying then we are right back where we started.

You keep calling this a policy lynch when its really not.
Would you consider lynching one of two people who've claimed the same role as a policy lynch? No, you would not.

I agree that, if random is town, he was role blocked last night. However, I disagree that we should lynch random for information. It is day 3, one day before LyLo, we should NOT be information lynching right now. We need to be lynching the player that is most likely to flip scum.

Correct, if there is a role blocker, then random will not get a shot through tonight and he never would. That's not a reason to lynch him though. A role blocked shot is not a liability, it's just a lost benefit.

I have read this post several times and, I'm trying to understand, but I can't - what is the relevance of the bolded? Nobody cc'd vigilante.
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Post Post #995 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 8:33 am

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Wicked...Is a fake/unproven claim a liability?
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Post Post #996 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 8:34 am

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vote vikingfan
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Post Post #997 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 8:49 am

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In post 982, massive wrote:So you're saying either:

(a) Randomidget is lying about his shot and is scum, or
(b) scum have a roleblocker that blocked Randomidget

Doesn't (b) point to scum-Kop?

If the scum thought he was going to shoot kop then yes it does.
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Post Post #998 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 9:03 am

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In post 995, havingfitz wrote:Wicked...Is a fake/unproven claim a liability?

I don't think so. It's unhelpful, but unhelpful =/= harmful.

Even if Kop/random are town and mafia believed that random would shoot Kop, there is still incentive to role-block him. 1. There's always a chance that random won't shoot as expected and scum don't necessarily want to risk losing one of their members. 2. Kop is mis-lynchable the next day.

I think it's most likely that scum have a role-blocker AND Kop is town.

vikingfan is at L-1, he should claim.
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Post Post #999 (ISO) » Tue May 12, 2015 9:06 am

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Speaking of claiming, it's the day before LyLo - usually the best time to mass claim imo. Is anyone else interested?
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