Open 595: Elemental Mafia (Town Wins!)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I was already voting him Mod..

Sorry!

[lane0168]

You know what? I'm pretty sure you said you were bad at finding sk long ago so you would have an excuse for being so bad at finding sk. You knew everyone you went for would flip town and you could be like, well I already said I'm bad at finding sk.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mentioned what?

That Flubber was killed because SK thought he was scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You know what? I'm pretty sure you said you were bad at finding sk long ago so you would have an excuse for being so bad at finding sk. You knew everyone you went for would flip town and you could be like, well I already said I'm bad at finding sk.

Valid point.

[lane0168]

Well I think the general thought would be he was killed cause they thought he was scum. or that's what I assume

[Alchemist21]

I was already voting him Mod..

Sorry!

Noted. Carry on with the game, folks!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well I think the general thought would be he was killed cause they thought he was scum. or that's what I assume

I presented other scenarios that should also be considered.

[davesaz]

That's a lot of posts for a little under 5 hours.
What's the VC now?

BBT matches scum meta in one specific way, which is being really pushy trying to get a lynch going. But that's a town trait for him too. I don't remember any games where he was SK.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I believe Senator is at L-2.

[Wanderer-nl]

So I went to look at this for a little bit:

Spoiler:

I've checked ISO's (I skimmed them while having 'flub' as search-term so if anyone talked about flubber without using his name, you were missed sorry)
The players that thought Flubber was scum:
Conman (since RVS even, parks his vote on fllubber until he finally jumps to RMM, between VC 1.11 and 1.12)

pr

FAQ2

vt

farside (but she isn't pushing or questioning flubber)

vt

Senator

vt

(Ricastle died, but he also thought Flubber was scum)

Players that thought Flubber was town:
Bella

pr

BBT (but he starts of with a scumread on Flubber)

vt

Plotinus (mentiond Flubber in her reads-list but nowhere else)

vt

Reverend (gets nervous later about Flubber but no definite scumread)

flipped mafia

Wrongsong

pr

The rest:
dave doesn't even mention Flubber at all during day 1.

pr

RMM has no content whatsoever.

pr

Papi didn't really take a chance, he thought Flubber looked scummy but later posts looked like scumhunting. Doesn't matter much but adding him for completeness.

flipped mafia

Now that I have this list I will have to examine it. I hate putting this out without a conclusion, but responses to this while I'm evaluating this list might help me out so I'm sharing already anyway. I have a lot of information in my head right now and fragmenting it takes me a long time (my mind isn't the average human-mind, I need more time to process things) so I'm going to clear my head first before digging in.

One bold thought I'd like to share because this will keep floating around until I post it.. In my opinion BBT could still be SK. He was dead set on a Papi lynch yesterday, and SK would probably not like to shoot the person they were pushing a lynch on all day long, even if they were scum. Also SK sort of hiding his other scumread to kill him at night so there is no association comes to mind when I think about this. I don't like I'm thinking this. I'd rather have BBT be town because he got us scum lynched, so I'm mostly posting this hoping I can get rid of the paranoia.

It's a little spread out and I'm thinking maybe the SK expressed a townread (throughout the day or near the end) on flubber so the kill wouldn't link to him. I'm going to sleep on it, it's late. I'm still willing to vote Senator but I don't really like doing that close to going to bed. Maybe in the meantime someone else spots something I missed.

[Wanderer-nl]

Oh I didn't include myself in that list but I'll remind you that I replaced in right after night 1 started, I read up during night and had reads before the flips and I also thought flubber was scummy (892)

[Alchemist21]

VC 3.03

(5)Senator:

Bellaphant, Plotinus, Senator, ConmanMick, farside

(2)BlueBloodedToffee:

lane, FA_Q2

(1)lane:

BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting: Wanderer, Davesaz, RationalMadMan, Wrong Song

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-05-25 12:00:00)

[Wrong Song]

.....

interesting.

Docs same plan as last night, kay?

I'll be fire.
CMM will be water.
unclaimed will be water.

Protect Bella ^

Right now

I'd vote Senator, but I want to wait a day to check something.

Either way this setup is way to fucking townsided and needs to be tweaked asap.

[Bellaphant]

Unclaimed earth, surely? Will post thoughts later.

[ConManMick]

Unclaimed is earth, yes. Don't know if the set up is too town sided, could just be luck of the draw considering we managed to get the entire scum team in two nights

[Bellaphant]

Yeah- if a)we hadn't hit scum day 1 (which is unlikely, normally) and b) I didn't have a result, things would be different. For one, I wouldn't have supported mass claim, we'd have lynched a doc and had a lot less options.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Senator

Don't want apathy setting in.

Lane next if we're wrong.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anyone can hammer, and should hammer, when ready.

[pisskop]

Good. Lynch BBT and FA tomorrow and the next

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Stop being bad Senator.

[Bellaphant]

Hamma time!!

[Senator]

What do you mean?

Good. Lynch BBT and FA tomorrow and the next

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm not SK.

FA prob isn't either due to him providing theory that SK should probably give up.

[pisskop]

Well somebody is.

[Plotinus]

FA's theory is right -- I was wrong last night. It was too late for me to be thinking clearly. I did the same numbers that FA did and came to the opposite conclusion because I was tired and wasn't thinking what conftown meant. What I was thinking doesn't work, we will win regardless what the SK does.