NY 184: a help (done)

[pisskop]

Like if I had a dollar for every game they were in with me and somebody went apecrap on her D1 and she was town Id have 5 or 6 of them.

Im not getting a town vibe from her. Im not lynching you because of her. You, as a townie should be okay sacrificing yourself only if it comes to that, not eager to just cuz.

[Jake from State Farm]

Like if I had a dollar for every game they were in with me and somebody went apecrap on her D1 and she was town Id have 5 or 6 of them.

links?

[Jake from State Farm]

you admit to not having a town vibe, yet you aren't voting anyone. At this point you aren't being productive nor are you trying to pressure anyone. rather you are just posting useless stuff

[Oversoul]

I wouldn't say it is useless stuff. It helped me get a read on him.

[pisskop]

@ JSF

And you are pressuring people jumping up and down and trying to 1v1 everything?

[Jake from State Farm]

no because I am on step 2 already, Trying to get people to lynch scum

[Jake from State Farm]

I wouldn't say it is useless stuff. It helped me get a read on him.

how can you have a read on him? he's not even playing the game yet. No scum hunting, no trying to move the game along, nothing pro-town from him at all

[Flubbernugget]

We arent lynching you because RC makes you uncomfortable.

I understand where you're coming from here but I'm quoting it and vote parking you when rc flips scum

[Bicephalous Bob]

How to Take Action to Stop War

Official Vote Count

The Bulge

(5): MattP, Oversoul, Kinetic, Elyse, BROseidon

RadiantCowbells

(2): Jake from State Farm, Flubbernugget

Jake from State Farm

(1): RadiantCowbells

BROseidon

(1): VysePresident

Grimmjow

(1): The Bulge

Not Voting

(4): pisskop, Grimmjow, Lostaway, evilpacman18

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-05-25 16:19:05)

[VysePresident]

UNVOTE:

This is more of a prod dodge than anything. Will catch up when I feel more like wading through that tunnelfight.

[evilpacman18]

Prod dodge. I'll be in this afternoon. A thought: I don't think Jake vs RC is town v town

[RadiantCowbells]

Spoiler: WRT Kinetic

First you accuse me of being Jake's scum partner, for doing exactly what you asked me to do.

Actually, no you didn't.

Here's a summary of everything that you said that addresses the wagon.

Not a fan of RC's hyper aggressive play. Not a fan of Jake's reactions to it.

Okay, but then you go on to say

Not being a fan of how you're playing does not mean you're scum. It just means you're being hyper aggressive and I'm not a fan of the style.

Which extrapolating your comment on me, which uses the same words as how you refer to Jake, means that you don't LIKE Jake.

You made no commentary on his alignment. You did not address my case, you did not answer with a read on Jake.

Why do you so much attention?

So now you're rhetorically asking why I want attention which infantilizes me and my reads when I've actually gotten fuck all from most of this town or you in terms of addressing my actual case and expect me to react positively?

Why don't you look up my history. Get a sense of me as a player. Or if you'd prefer, just ask some of the players around the site. I'm sure plenty of them will attest to my skill. You don't have to worry about me in the endgame feeling like I didn't do enough.

Spoiler: WRT Bulge Wagon

So at first I thought the existence of a 5-stack on Bulge was evidence that people were just vote parking to avoid addressing Jake but now I'm not so sure.

I hope Kinetic picks up his prod. I wanted to play with him. I've heard good things about his play

<3 I think I remember you. Not sure if we played in a game together, or if you were in one I modded back in the day.

Hey MattP and Grimmjow.

Don't think I recognize anyone else...

Not a fan of RC's hyper aggressive play. Not a fan of Jake's reactions to it.

MattP's Bulge comments are interesting, and certainly a point against Bulge. Not much else to go on right now, so its certainly VOTE: Bulge worthy. Curious to see how this develops.

Already addressed this, but he was the second person on.

VOTE: The Bulge

Elyse goes from Jake to Bulge with no comment. But at least she involved herself in the wagon and gave reads.

Jesus Christ slow the fuck down.

If RC reaches any further he's gonna pull a muscle, but this exchange looks like Town vs Town. Both of you pull your heads out of your asses and play the game. You didn't "catch scum" on page 1.

VOTE: Grimmjow

VOTE: bulge

This is the one vote I actually like.

I think Broseidon's coming to the same conclusion and calling Matt town for it is genuine.

I don't like his crappy "let's shoot them both" mentality towards me and Jake but I'll get into that later.

Why do you expect a vote to automatically make Bro and Grimm appear? That's not how this works.

I was actually planning on moving my vote to the Bulge wagon. I think Jake is a good wagon too, so I was happy to leave my vote there.
But Matt has his mojo back and he's got this swagger so I'm gonna follow him
VOTE: Bulge

So I don't like Oversoul's jump over but he did at least at some point react to my case on Jake.


Anyway, I was wrong about the Bulge wagon and most of the people there have actually addressed my case in some form.
Real issue is the lurkers right now.

Spoiler: WRT Broseidon

VOTE: rc

50% scum read 50% policy

THAT is in this game too.

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In all fairness I would push a pl on you if I believed in them so...

To clarify for those who're curious, Broseidon and I have played only two games as far as I remember.

One of them, I was scum, Broseidon was town. Town won, whatever.

The one that's important to understand this is that Broseidon was part of a scum hydra, and I and another had him pegged as scum from D1.

I counterclaimed cop D2, his partner counterclaimed as GS, I stuck to my guns and got him lynched then the whole scumteam conceded.

So basically, Broseidon is saying that he would want me policy lynched because me and likeabauss wrecked his scumteam in NY167.

Especially funny because one of the big scumtells Bauss used in that game I adopted as one of my primary early game tells and used it against BBT in my last game and am using it against Jake now.

Spoiler: WRT Jake

My meta dive into Broseidon netted me a reread of Likeabauss's god tier play in NY167.

My wording was shit for my page 1 and I've seen some better ways to explain the psychobabble so I'm going to reboot this.

vote: evil pacman

Cause evil = scum ldo

Ugh, now I need a shower

So, 2 things here.

1) RVS opener is nonstandard and gives an atypical reason for the player's RVS vote. People give more reasons than normal (overexplain) when they're lying.
Jake is lying.

2) "Ugh, now I need a shower"

I can try to go into this again but it's mostly above the paygrade of the people in this lobby.

Suffice it to say the change of subject is scummy, and sharing his guilt over not showering shows that his esteem is low (common in scum and especially in Jake's scum game- see the Jake V Slandaar game before).

Oh shit forgot to say

Sup

We've established that Jake has a striking tendency to open in the same way.

Also, in what situation is his opening more likely to deviate; when he's under pressure because he's scum, or when he's not under pressure because he's town?

Especially if, as I suspect, the scum chat had some sort of warning about me,
Further, why does he feel the need to "correct" his opener if he isn't worried about the towngrab this deviation could provide?

Town!Jake wouldn't give a fuck about it. Scum!Jake is worried about how it looks so tries to latch onto his standard opener and look more town.


Also, remember this?

I'm sure your buddies hate you now

This is no coincidence. This is pure projection.

I'm betting there was some altercation in the pregame where someone gave Jake shit for something or other and now he's freaked because I caught him so early and thinks that HIS buddies hate him.

It explains a lot in his rxn.

If everyone is going to read one post of mine, read this one.

I'll respond to newer posts from Jake later.

[RadiantCowbells]

A game isn't all about you (and this is coming from me, one of the most self-centered players ever) it's about knowing the strength of everyone else around you, working together to get scum/town eliminated.

Mine is figuring out who the scum is.

Not convincing other people to vote them.

[Jake from State Farm]

Interesting, the scumtell bauss used in that game is nothing like the stuff you have made up about me. Not surprised you would intentionally mislead people though.

[Jake from State Farm]

Also the game vs BBT isnt really similar here either...

"People give more reasons than normal (overexplain) when they're lying."

1. I didn't give "more reason than normal" I simply gave a reason
2. If what I gave was "more reason than normal" and that means I'm supposedly lying, then what about you in this game?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6540303

You were town, yet "gave more reason than normal" based on the same criteria you are using here...

[RadiantCowbells]

I have no marked tendency not to RVS.

[BROseidon]

The reason I would pl you is for fakeclaiming cop as town. Regardless of the result, you never do that

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you think that if you had said something that had given me any reason to doubt your scumminess that I wouldn't have retracted my cop claim?

[BROseidon]

Doesn't matter.

You don't do it.

[BROseidon]

1) there are certain things that resonate with me that other players tend to miss for whatever reason. The reason I'm getting town vibes from pisskop is one of those.

What are is the "one thing" that is resonating with you?

It's the way in which he's doing nothing. Not going to post my full intentionality theory, but the tl;dr is that true lack of intentionality comes from town, and I think pisskop has demonstrated true lack of intentionality.

[Jake from State Farm]

I have no marked tendency not to RVS.

Irrelevant

[BROseidon]

long as I am alive nobody will listen to me (nobody ever does)

see?

You and RC are basically white noise at this point. I'm more interested in getting other shit done.

[Jake from State Farm]

long as I am alive nobody will listen to me (nobody ever does)

see?

You and RC are basically white noise at this point. I'm more interested in getting other shit done.

Well only 2 ways to shut me up, and those 2 ways will probably be the only 2 to shut RC up.

Lynch him or me.

@ RC why did you ask about me in that game?

[RadiantCowbells]

@ RC why did you ask about me in that game?

???

[Jake from State Farm]

The part that is frustrating me is I've made really good points about why RC is scum,and nobody comments on those. I get ignore our fighting but don't ignore the case against him.

P.edit - in that game with bbt, you asked if I was still playing or something