NY 184: a help (done)

[Jake from State Farm]

@ oversoul this is what I see when I look through PK's iso

0. rvs
1-4 - nothing of value
5. responds to your queston and does a half-assed job at it.
6 & 7 nothing of value
8. Asks a question that was already answered in post 62 by RC, so pointless question
9 - another half assed post which doesn't really add value to the game
10 - unvote and complaining
11 - 13 - more ueless posts. nothing so far has involved any scum hunting or progressing the game along
14. This is the first game related post, unfortunately it involves asking you to explain your view on him. This does nothing to help determine his alignment imo
15. responding to you about your posts about him. He also says matt was over-analytic which I disagree with
16 - 18 - this is basically where he claims he started the bulge wagon which imo isn't true because a RVS vote doesn't count. Matt started the pressure on bulge.
19 - 21 more useless posts
22 - this post makes no sense from a town pov.
23 - another very weird post, one I don't see coming from town. I'm still waiting for at least 1 game that confims his statement about RC
24. asks me a pointless question
25-27 - more useless posts.

No scum hunting at all in any of his post.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think Broseidon was dead on about Pisskop.

He's town this game.

[pisskop]

Jake's just jelly at all my towncreds.
You have to let the jelly out Jake. Squeeze it all out; so you can start anew.
I'm heartbroken that you guys think I'm not actually doing things over here.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm heartbroken that you guys think I'm not actually doing things over here.

well if you started doing something then maybe the opinion would change, but as it stands now you have done jack squat

[RadiantCowbells]

No, you're just a safe place to throw a scumread down on for being "anti-town".

[Elyse]

I will catch up later

[Flubbernugget]

This thread has a bad case of 4-chan logic

[RadiantCowbells]

This thread has a bad case of you being in it.

I intend to rectify that, posthaste.

[Flubbernugget]

I rest my case

[evilpacman18]

Alright I'm FINALLY getting here.

Let us begin at the top:
I was actually gonna come in and say that RC was being way too abrasive and try-hard-ish at the beginning but I looked into his other games and he starts off a lot of them with a sorta stupid early "serious" vote and an exaggeration of certainty. So this beginning at least fits his meta, however, I'm still leaning more scum on him in that exchange because of how persistent he is. In other games I looked at, RC doesn't tend to argue or force an early case, just says it's a serious vote and leaves at that pretty often. 11 is a stretch on every level whereas Jake handles it all pretty town. 12 and 17 are just good observations and I don't think Jake as caught scum would go look into whether RC's page 1 approach matches his previous RVS meta.

With that said (and I could say more about the back and forth but I'll pass), it bothers me that Oversoul and Elyse voted Jake out of all of that, even with Oversoul saying it was weird to be included in RC's weird name drop (I also don't know why I was asked if he had my vote in 30) and that it could be elaborate scum theater (a good way of putting it. A lot better than "try-hard-ish"). It just seems like a lot of awareness with the problems in RC's play to go along with it anyway.

The Bulge as voice of reason looks super town although I disagree with him, I like that he's trying to be a voice of reason where we have two players being rather unreasonable way too soon. MattP's 47 is also a stretch, if not a total misrep (actually it's definitely a total misrep) so that's not a good start for him.

Bulge complained about two pages of activity, patronized two players for having a single scum read, then claimed two town reads (on the two players he patronized) based on the two pages of content that happened that he complained of. Why is he unhappy about content that gave him TWO townreads, why is he complaining about two pages of content, why can a player not have a scumread pg 2 but he can have TWO townreads

Lel

First of all I think this takes The Bulge's "slow the fuck down" out of context. If you look at the rest of the post (41), it sounds more like he's saying slow down on being so certain of your reads than slow down on posting. And even if he is saying slow down on posting, that's still pretty understandable considering posts 7-33 were basically ALL RC and Jake, whom this post is directed to. So MattP is ignoring all context to accuse Bulge of complaining about activity and also his town reads were not absolutes, not to mention a town read is a lot easier to come by than a scum read. So MattP is ignoring the qualitative difference of a town read vs a scum read as well as the fact Bulge said "looks like town v town" whereas Jake and RC were saying things more along the lines of being absolutely certain they caught each other as scum in a bid to paint Bulge as scum.

First guess: RC / MattP / Elyse scum team.

I know that's not even up to the end of page 2 but it's actually pretty dense on content and it's 3:30 and I'm gonna fall asleep. More tomorrow, I'm not gonna have a surprise thing I need to be at sneak up on me like I did today.

[Jake from State Farm]

You bring up a good point about Matt, he is ignoring content.

[Kinetic]

UNVOTE: BulgeVOTE: Jake

[Jake from State Farm]

Reason?

[Lostaway]

You could give an opinion on something for one. Instead of lurking the thread.

youre passive aggressive. Thats a scummy quality.
RC is being agressive. its not a towny feel here.
JFSF is null; like the rest of the game.

Suprise, I dont lik making small talk.

I dunno, PK, you

do

seem to like making small talk:

eww Flubber has 8 points of symmetry.

pentapost

he ruined my pentaposting

This pentapost is dedicated to the mafia gods, so they might let medraw more scum roles.

I mean, governments make contingency plans with less than that.

Jake's just jelly at all my towncreds.
You have to let the jelly out Jake. Squeeze it all out; so you can start anew.
I'm heartbroken that you guys think I'm not actually doing things over here.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Official Vote Count

The Bulge

(4): MattP, Oversoul, Elyse, BROseidon

RadiantCowbells

(2): Jake from State Farm, Flubbernugget

Jake from State Farm

(1): Kinetic

Grimmjow

(1): The Bulge

Flubbernugget

(1): RadiantCowbells

Not Voting

(5): Lostaway, evilpacman18, Grimmjow, VysePresident, pisskop

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-05-25 16:19:05)

[Flubbernugget]

Lost that's the best you've got

From memory at least two of those are out of context

[Jake from State Farm]

I will say that I don't like that the bulge has posted on site in the past 2 days, even today yet hasn't posted in here in almost 2 and a half days.

i also didn't even realize lost was playing this game, I had to check the player list

[Lostaway]

So here's why I'm equivocating on the whole Jake/RC feud -- aside from the fact that at this point it all comes across as spam to me, being something I really don't want to wrap my head around at all. Seriously, it's been deeply unpleasant from both parties. But it has to be addressed.

Going back to the beginning, and looking specifically how it unfolded:

vote: evil pacman

Cause evil = scum ldo

Ugh, now I need a shower

Oh shit forgot to say

Sup

VOTE: Jake from State Farm

Apologetic about two things already on the first page.

It actually started innocuously enough -- a couple of RVS votes with spurious reasons given. And, I mean, these reasons are both spurious. Voting for someone on the basic of their name, and voting because someone is "apologetic" during the RVS stage.

Apologetic? Where did I apologize for anything?

And this is quite interesting, because it's so defensive! I, for one, found the statements of "Ugh, I need a shower" and "Oh shit forgot to say" to be clearly apologetic. Not in a scummy way -- Jake apologizes for his spurious logic of voting Evilpacman on the basis of his name, and apparently forgetting his "Sup" tagline. The apologies were truly innocuous. I'm not so sure, however, about the defensiveness.

Neither was RC, it seems:

Cause evil = scum ldo

Unnecessarily giving reasons for an RVS vote.

Oh shit forgot to say

Sup

Why bring up that you forgot to say it already?

Ugh, now I need a shower

Essentially apologizing for not having showered. Showcases feelings of inadequacy.

Apology wasn't the right word though.

I don't mind RC going on the attack for Jake being defensive, though the language here isn't exactly clear in explaining how Jake was actually being apologetic. It's that lack of precision that Jake latches onto:

1. Rvs vote usually comes with some random reason so you fail here
2. I brought it up cause sup is my calling card and I realized I forgot.

3. I didn't apologize for not having taken a shower, it was a reference to feeling dirty and now I need one.

You fail

vote: RC

Serious vote

RC doubles down in 14 with some frankly dubious psychological "logic", and then it all quickly spirals out of control, hinging largely on issues of "meta." Frankly, I don't care about all the "meta" stuff that they both brought up and ground into the dirt. I'm not going to go digging into oodles of past games to verify, especially when game play can and does change over and over again. So that line of argumentation isn't going to pass muster with me. It just makes my eyes glaze over.

So I don't have a clear read on either of them. I lean against Jake for the initial defensiveness. I lean against RC for the quick escalation and what seems like seriously-taken dubious logic. The ferocity which RC and Jake end up employing reminds me of my Jack Russell terrier when she's pounced on a new squeaky duck toy, and won't let go -- it's so over-the-top it passes straight through comical and into the territory of the deeply uncomfortable. So I can see how either one could be town, and with egos unchecked are going to play it out to the bitter end.

At this point, if anything is going to sway me one way or the other, it's the personal attacking language of RC, which is admittedly more of a policy-lynch reaction on my part. But I play the game to have fun, and this so far has not been very much fun.

[Lostaway]

Side note: this adds to the not-fun-ness of the game. Without context, it just comes across as homophobic.

[Jake from State Farm]

because it's so defensive! I, for one, found the statements of "Ugh, I need a shower" and "Oh shit forgot to say" to be clearly apologetic. Not in a scummy way -- Jake apologizes for his spurious logic of voting Evilpacman on the basis of his name, and apparently forgetting his "Sup" tagline. The apologies were truly innocuous. I'm not so sure, however, about the defensiveness.

1. It wasn't defensive at all
2. no I wasn't apologizing for my logic of voting epm based on his name
3. I don't consider me saying "oops i forgot to do something" being apologetic either

let's look at the definition of apologetic shall we?

a·pol·o·get·ic
əˌpäləˈjedik/
adjective
adjective: apologetic
regretfully acknowledging or excusing an offense or failure.

I didn't regretfully acknowledge anything and I didn't excuse an offense or a failure.

[pisskop]

groan. These pictures are fne, your interpretation sucks ass

[Jake from State Farm]

The "shower" comment was actually disgust, not apologetic

The forgetting to say sup and subsequently posting it was me so excited the game started that I forgot to do what is my calling card, I wasn't apologizing for it.

[Jake from State Farm]

your interpretation sucks ass

so has your play this game

[pisskop]

Also RC was serious. your assumption is that these posts exist in a vacuum; that this game is in a vacuunm.

^@Lost


Jake's still under the spell of the jellymancer. Its clear my play hasnt garnered any votes, and has content. thats towards my wincon. Why are you so eager to make enemies?

[pisskop]

if youre just going to harang me instead of either pushing a read or move on Ill start flat out ignoring you.