New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

[lalaladucks]

Sounds good. Did I just start the 10th page? Darn it.

[Titus]

Dollars to Donuts the way people are not really engaging Ozgin means he's scum.

Huh? Yes we are. Wat? I seriously feel like he's either town hopped up and excited to play or super try hard scum but as scum in the last game he was pretty mellow. I had a neighborhood with him and he wasn't this hyper. I really don't know what to make of him quite yet.

No. You're not engaging him. You're engaging me and talking about Ozgin.

What about 202 or 211? Like I said, I'm having trouble keeping up with him and the game to be quite honest. I'm working on it.

Re-reading, etc.

Those aren't engagement either. Notice how you are just making observations with Ozgin. You're shocked at his claim and stating how you feel. In a vacuum, those are not engagement. Asking questions and giving responses is engagement.

[Egg]

1Hmm. Probably paranoia, but gut scum on Titus and Cheet early. Gut town on Silverwolf. Not sure on TSO. Dragonspawn's TSO vote sucks ass though.

Prolapsed's post 64 feels awkward as fuck.

I like Ozgin's Varsoon vote. Why trust Cheet at this point?

I don't really care for Titus's Silverwolf push. It feels like an attempt to make a scene. Hell, she even said she wants a reaction. Feels like a distraction more than anything to me.

I'll read from Page 5 on later. Gotta go get my pizza. Expect me to fall behind if this pace keeps up.

[SilverWolf]

Dollars to Donuts the way people are not really engaging Ozgin means he's scum.

Huh? Yes we are. Wat? I seriously feel like he's either town hopped up and excited to play or super try hard scum but as scum in the last game he was pretty mellow. I had a neighborhood with him and he wasn't this hyper. I really don't know what to make of him quite yet.

No. You're not engaging him. You're engaging me and talking about Ozgin.

What about 202 or 211? Like I said, I'm having trouble keeping up with him and the game to be quite honest. I'm working on it.

Re-reading, etc.

Those aren't engagement either. Notice how you are just making observations with Ozgin. You're shocked at his claim and stating how you feel. In a vacuum, those are not engagement. Asking questions and giving responses is engagement.

I've engaged Ozgin and will do more. The game is 10 pages in less than 24 hours, I am trying to figure out how to keep up at the same time as get good reads and analysis of the game. Several haven't posted much at all. And yes, I'm engaging you because you said you wanted to. But FFS, give me a minute to catch my breath here.

[Titus]

I'm giving you plenty of time to respond. I'm finding your response over the top here. The very posts you quoted allow you to move, as the Ozgin wagon indicated.

@Egg, you are right. I don't like RVS. I'll usually vote players that I feel semi-confident about in my reads.

[Titus]

*I'll feel semi-confident about in my reads after their reaction.

[Egg]

Except that's not at all what I said.

[Titus]

Well then I'm not getting it all. I essentially said, yeah I was causing conflict to get a read on people and break out of RVS. You thought I was staging a scene. They appear to be similar. *shrug* If I'm misinterpreting, sorry.

[dragonspawn]

This whole ozgin push feels completely wrong. Haven't figured out why exactly. But I will.

[SilverWolf]

Titus is giving me really bad vibes right now. I'll explain tomorrow. She's an FoS for sure though.

[RadiantCowbells]

Holy shit I just remembered why I don't usually play large games.

VOTE: dragonspawn

I abhor posts like 233.

[dragonspawn]

You don't like opinions on wagons?

[RadiantCowbells]

You put down the wagon without giving any sort of concrete opinion on it.

It's an unfalsifiable statement.

[dragonspawn]

I didn't like it. What's a more concrete opinion than that?

[Egg]

Laladucks on Page 5 is engaging in pointless banter and ignoring everything else. Not a fan. Oh shit. Then joins the random pop up House wagon with no apparent reason.

[/unvote] I need to evaluate this House wagon, because a four vote spring-up is strange, now that you mention it.

Can you give me a reason why this would make House town?

Dragonspawn, show me where you've used that tell you're using on TSO in the past.

there are already too many votes to have its original desired effect 

What was the desired effect and why are so many votes a bad thing for it?

Drixx, why RVS Cheet without laying a vote on him?

I don't like laladuck acknowledging votes, but not responding to points.

Dragonspawn, don't expect Cheet to lurk if he's scum here. I was scum with him once and he obvtowned the fuck out of that game. He was like the best scumbuddy ever.

Boon, you said you skimmed. Any thoughts? Are you gonna do a real read or just be cool with what you picked up on the skim?

Titus, do you think Ozgin is scum or are you voting him for the murdering babies thing?

Ummm. Varsoon's citizen point is... actually a good one. I assumed it was an offsite/newbie kind of thing. Didn't realize it was in the OP. Wanting to change his town win % feels genuine though.

Titus, there is a difference between getting out of RVS and trying to ruffle feathers of a known emotional player. One is protown. The other is antitown.

Let's go with:

Unvote, Vote laladuck

[Titus]

VOTE: Ozgin

I'm going to bed, I'll be back tomorrow.

This game is heating up, and I kinda like it. This is the most excited I've been ever to play a normal game as a citizen.

You wanna talk rhetoric, I think it's awkward that you're referring to yourself as a citizen rather than town.
In most games, you're gonna be town. In this game specifically, you'd be a citizen if you were town-aligned.
So this speaks towards specific attention payed towards a claimed alignment flavor.
Which, to me, feels stilted, like you double-checked the OP to make sure you were calling yourself the right thing.

Yeah I rarely naked vote but an umprompted claim like that was really bad. I didn't want to call attention to the claim, but the cat's out of the bag.

@Egg, Ruffling the feathers of emotional players allows everyone to read that player and is protown. It gets us out of RVS. So I don't get why you're saying it's anti-town.

I do think Ozgin is scum. If I was voting him solely for the murdering babies thing, I would have voted him in that post. I voted him for his unprompted citizen claim.

[Egg]

I get the wanting reactions thing. I really do. It's just that using emotions to do it kind of rubs me the wrong way. Emotional responses tend to be less about the game than people seem to think. I don't think you're scum with Silverwolf though, so there's that.

[dragonspawn]

So tso claims to be town off the bad and I vote for it in random voting and my reasoning is bad.

Ozgin claims to be a citizen and he's scum.

Not following the logic here. Though I certainly agree that claiming he was a citizen was unnecessary and odd.

[Titus]

Egg, Emotions are emotions. I'm not manipulating how anyone would feel. That's scummy. I'm merely testing to see how she would react. Town Silverwolf and scum Silverwolf do react differently.

[Titus]

So tso claims to be town off the bad and I vote for it in random voting and my reasoning is bad.

Ozgin claims to be a citizen and he's scum.

Not following the logic here. Though I certainly agree that claiming he was a citizen was unnecessary and odd.

Claiming town is whatever, people do it. Claiming a VT role is NOT something that happens every day is really anti-town. He said this was how he always describes town. No, if that was the case, he'd say he's a townie or town like TSO did.

[dragonspawn]

Not so sure of that Titus. Wolf has gotten better a hiding her tells

[Boonskiies]

Oh, sweet. Game started. I skimmed real fast. Like real fast. Sup, dragon, how you doin'? Eh, house and Bookitty probably scum again.

VOTE: bookitty

Doing good boons. Try to stay alive longer this time.

Have house and kitty been scum buddies before?

Yes, and I called them both out on it when neither of them were under suspicion. I'll be able to tell if they are this game, right Housey?

[Boonskiies]

@egg - I'll do a real read soon. I just wanted to post. I really like the player list for this game.

[Titus]

Not so sure of that Titus. Wolf has gotten better a hiding her tells

Well, we'll see. I usually get in relatively soon. My way of reading people is usually considered "odd" anyway so, we'll see. Right now, I'm leaning scum due to her hedges and overdefensiveness. Mostly the hedges though.

[Egg]

Egg, Emotions are emotions. I'm not manipulating how anyone would feel. That's scummy. I'm merely testing to see how she would react. Town Silverwolf and scum Silverwolf do react differently.

I didn't see it that way, but whatever. You sound like you have more experience with her than I do. I don't even have a completed game with her.

So tso claims to be town off the bad and I vote for it in random voting and my reasoning is bad.

Ozgin claims to be a citizen and he's scum.

Not following the logic here. Though I certainly agree that claiming he was a citizen was unnecessary and odd.

Claiming town is whatever, people do it. Claiming a VT role is NOT something that happens every day is really anti-town. He said this was how he always describes town. No, if that was the case, he'd say he's a townie or town like TSO did.

He straight up said that if he's a power role, he'd say the same thing.