NY 184: a help (done)

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #475 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:13 pm

In post 474, Oversoul wrote:Stubbornness is when someone is super persistent in a specific way.

but if scum KNOWS a player is town and continues to be persistant, that doesn't mean they are stubborn because they already KNOW he is town. Scum could just be stupid or like I said earlier, calculated. Stubborn implies the person doesn't know the truth and is just wrong. Scum knows the truth and isn't really wrong either.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #476 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:16 pm

In post 474, Oversoul wrote:Yes... yes he can... progressing/scumhunting is not black and white like you seem to think it is. Even weak players can still scumhunt, they can just be super bad at it.

I don't agree with you here so we can agree to disagree.

so please tell me why the hell are you hard defending a weak player? you have gone from pushing the weak player to defending the weak player and this has baiscally prevented you from doing much of anything else. The 180 makes no sense from a town pov and I don't even think you answered some of pisskop's earlier questions that he was asking you. I need to double check that tomorrow, but if you ignored his questions and then did a 180 on him, that will bring u up a few more notches on the scum side.

Oversoul · Post Post #477 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:17 pm

In post 475, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 474, Oversoul wrote:Stubbornness is when someone is super persistent in a specific way.

but if scum KNOWS a player is town and continues to be persistant, that doesn't mean they are stubborn because they already KNOW he is town. Scum could just be stupid or like I said earlier, calculated. Stubborn implies the person doesn't know the truth and is just wrong. Scum knows the truth and isn't really wrong either.

You mean the actual definition of stubbornness? I mean, maybe? I have no idea. I haven't actually looked up that word since the third grade.
What I am saying is people can ACT stubborn, like you are right now, without ACTUALLY BEING STUBBORN. So a scum can REFUSE TO SEE CERTAIN PLAY AS EITHER SCUMMY OR TOWNIE and to an outside observer THAT WOULD LOOK STUBBORN.

Oversoul · Post Post #478 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:17 pm

I am now 1000% sure Jake is scum because of {reasons}.

All I am saying on that front.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #479 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:20 pm

jake isn't scum 1000% but nice try

pisskop · Post Post #480 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:20 pm

Why did it take you this long to say this thing?

pisskop · Post Post #481 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:21 pm

Like as weak as I am I know better than to believe sudden proclaimations.

Oversoul · Post Post #482 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:22 pm

In post 476, Jake from State Farm wrote:so please tell me why the hell are you hard defending a weak player? you have gone from pushing the weak player to defending the weak player and this has baiscally prevented you from doing much of anything else. The 180 makes no sense from a town pov and I don't even think you answered some of pisskop's earlier questions that he was asking you. I need to double check that tomorrow, but if you ignored his questions and then did a 180 on him, that will bring u up a few more notches on the scum side.

I am scumhunting you. I already gave my opinion on the main wagon of the day. I developed several town reads. How can you even qualify my play as "prevented from doing much of anything else"?

Again, reads are not as black and white as you are making them out to be. But given your previous answer about scumhunting, clearly we do not see eye to eye on a philosophical level of mafia.

Oversoul · Post Post #483 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:22 pm

In post 445, RadiantCowbells wrote:Neutral but special note for Elyse:
I'd really like to say Elyse is town but Elyse can be the town MVP as scum.
She's with Boonskiies in being impossible to read but instead of just sorta being there she carries her teams.
If I was gunsmith, I'd check that N1.

Why did you say Gunsmith here, RadiantCowbells?

Oversoul · Post Post #484 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:23 pm

As opposed to tracker, hider, or you know, COP

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #485 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:23 pm

In post 483, Oversoul wrote:Why did you say Gunsmith here, RadiantCowbells?

probably because it is one of the sample role pms on page 1.

Oversoul · Post Post #486 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:27 pm

In post 485, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 483, Oversoul wrote:Why did you say Gunsmith here, RadiantCowbells?

probably because it is one of the sample role pms on page 1.

Nice defense of your number #1 scum read.
Noted.

Holy shit.

I think I am on to something.

pisskop · Post Post #487 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:28 pm

That reeks of confbias. And is bad.

pisskop · Post Post #488 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:29 pm

Logically unsound Oversoul would have Jake so roided up to lynch RC he wouldn't point out what is presumably an oversight just because it removes a small avenue of suspicion to push.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #489 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:35 pm

In post 486, Oversoul wrote:
In post 485, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 483, Oversoul wrote:Why did you say Gunsmith here, RadiantCowbells?

probably because it is one of the sample role pms on page 1.

Nice defense of your number #1 scum read.
Noted.

Holy shit.

I think I am on to something.

you do realize the mod put a gunsmith role pm on page 1 right?

Oversoul · Post Post #490 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:35 pm

Yes. But why would you answer for your number 1 scum read?

Elyse · Post Post #491 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:36 pm

I didn't notice that but Jake's not scummy for answering if it's common knowledge

Oversoul · Post Post #492 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:36 pm

And the sample role PM means nothing about this game, it is just a sample role PM. Doesn't mean that Gunsmith is actually in this game, but YOU seem to think so and apparently so does Radiant Cowbells, which is quite odd/peculiar given you two came out swinging at each other.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #493 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:39 pm

In post 490, Oversoul wrote:Yes. But why would you answer for your number 1 scum read?

because the answer is an obvious one. Why are you pretending like you didn't know there was a GS role pm on page 1 to begin with?

Oversoul · Post Post #494 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:39 pm

In post 493, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 490, Oversoul wrote:Yes. But why would you answer for your number 1 scum read?

because the answer is an obvious one. Why are you pretending like you didn't know there was a GS role pm on page 1 to begin with?

STOP AVOIDING THE QUESTION

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #495 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:41 pm

every normal game I have ever played, the sample role pm is a sample of a role pm actually used in the game, so yes I am making the assumption that this game has a GS in it.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #496 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:42 pm

In post 494, Oversoul wrote:
In post 493, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 490, Oversoul wrote:Yes. But why would you answer for your number 1 scum read?

because the answer is an obvious one. Why are you pretending like you didn't know there was a GS role pm on page 1 to begin with?

STOP AVOIDING THE QUESTION

I didn't avoid the question, you actually quoted me answering the question.

because the answer is an obvious one

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #497 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:43 pm

Still don't see it?

here it is again

because the answer is an obvious one

pisskop · Post Post #498 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:45 pm

Bad Sheep. Bad push. Bad Bad.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #499 (ISO) » Sun May 17, 2015 2:46 pm

In post 480, pisskop wrote:Why did it take you this long to say this thing?

just an fyi, oversoul won't be able to answer this question