New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

[Ozgin]

UNVOTE:

It just clicked in my head (after reading these painful painful few pages) why I shouldn't scumread dragon.

That's what I get for playing distracted with a billion things and trying to keep track of a large fast moving game at the same time. I need to take notes or something.

So you think dragon is scum because of House's claim and push then? Anything else?

And you say TSO is strange-is this scummy or? You mention anen not liking your reactions? How are you reading him?

You mention Bookitty, Varsoon, Titus. Anyone else?

I swear, if I missed your answers to these questions, I'm giving up and going to bed. LOL

I don't have much of a read on Skybird (I kinda missed that earlier stuff), PB has been extremely inactive with only fluffposts, so I could get behind a lynch there. RC is basically just trolling and I really would like her dead, but that's been every game I've played with her ever (which is only like, 2 or 3). I still have a scumlean towards Kitz from the earlier interactions, but Kitz hasn't been around much enough to change that. I know I mentioned her already, but I'm diggity-down for a bookitty lynch as well. Her scumread on me was identical (parroted) to Titus', and her "scumreads" on dragon/Taly were all just "bad vibes." No real reason, she just repeatedly says, "I feel like they were wishy-washy" or "I don't know, I'm just being pinged."



I don't know I can say Anen/TSO are particularly scummy (especially not Anen) because their scumreads on me are fairly legitimate (I think they both subscribe to fosing me because of my poor reactions). I think TSO's naked vote was weird, and he only explained himself on it once (and it was kinda ambiguous), and has been fairly lurky, so at worst he's a leanscum, at best he's null.

[Skybird]

@Mod, I'll be V/LA 5/20 - 5/26.

I will be doing my best to look at the game each day and responding to points and things I see as much as I can.

[SilverWolf]

Ozgin, I think my scumread on you for your reactions to your wagon are not enough of a reason to call you scum and neither is your Citizen claim. It doesn't mean you are town but I need more time to sort you out. Your reactions could totally be personality based and you calling scumreads on you legitimate doesn't seem like something smart to say as scum.

I'm good with a Prolapsed vote right now.

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

[Aneninen]

Oh, and what color is your Role PM?

Oh, I forgot this bit.
The colour of my role in my role pm is like a mid-light green, not the usual darkish green I don't think. Tells me I should eliminate threats to the town as well, so I guess I should read what's been going on (have been procrastinating a little)

Hey, it's the same colour as the sample role pm in the OP. There you go.

Wait, what?
Mid-light green? Darkish green? Same as the Sample PM?
There was no Mid-light green in my role PM at all! Its text is f-cking black!

VOTE: Lalaladucks

Also, your reads are not only vague but also strange. Not a single reason for Egg, nor Bookitty, whom you're scumreading. TSO and Varsoon are fence-sitty reads (and there are no clear reads on those nowadays), the slight scumlean on Prolapsed might even suggest a possible partnership with him (althoug I know that I'm over-speculating this now).

I like that you like my posts, I like even more that you like E.B.O.N.Y. (frankly, I've put an INSANE amount of effort in that game), but posting these is a sign of appeasing/buddying/I-don'tknow-what-I-need-to-call-it. Sorry to say, but right now this is another thing why I like the idea that you're scum.

________

I don't like PB, RC, kitz. I'm ok with lynching one of these three.

RC?

I'm good with a Prolapsed vote right now.
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

That's a good vote. I'm willing to join that wagon too but I want to see your opinion about Lala's answer I quoted above. Refute me if it wasn't a slip.

[Skybird]

Anen, there's no color in your role PM at all?

RC - RadiantCowbells. Her posts are totally weird and troll-like.

[Aneninen]

Apart from the border, which is green, but very far from mid-light, nothing, zero, zilch.

I know that you meant RadiantCowbells. Have you ever played with her before?

[Drixx]

I've caught up on all my ongoing games except this one. I saved this one for last because somehow there's already nearly 1,000 posts and it will take a bit. I sincerely hope some of what I skimmed (House <-> Silverwolf bickering) isn't as bad as I'm anticipating.

Also, apparently my neighbors decided to out us without any consulting. That made me a little sad, especially since I started out in the neighborhood PT by making a post designed to help me get a read on them. A neighborhood where any scum are found and killed remorselessly with fire can be so powerful later on. Not so much if the scumbutts know who to kill to break up the mini town blocks.

It will probably be this afternoon before I have time to go through the thread and make notes on what happened while I was unexpectedly busy. Apologies again to all for joining and having to V/LA. I try not to ever be inactive in games as a rule. Real life came on with something pressing very suddenly in a way that I could not have anticipated. Give me a little time to delurksack. Be back later with thoughts on whatever jumps out at me.

[Wake1]

'Freshwater Butterflyfish'

Pantodon buchholzi

Vote Count 1.10

Aeronaut

Aneninen

Bookitty

Boonskiies

Boonskiies

Cheetory6

dragonspawn

RadiantCowbells

,

House

Drixx

Egg

FA_Q2

House

lalaladucks

Kitz

lalaladucks

Aneninen

Ozgin

Titus

,

Kitz

,

T S O

,

Egg

,

Bookitty

Prolapsed Brain

Cheetory6

,

Varsoon

,

Silverwolf

RadiantCowbells

dragonspawn

Silverwolf

Skybird

Taly

Titus

T S O

Varsoon

Not Voting:

Aeronaut

,

Drixx

,

FA_Q2

,

Prolapsed Brain

,

Taly

,

Skybird

,

Ozgin

Spoiler: Information

VLA

#

[00/00/00]

Natural Action Resolution

Natural Action Resolution

Commute - {Commuter}
Blocking - {Roleblocker > Rolestopper}
Jailkeep - {Jailkeeper}
Protection - {Doctor > Bodyguard}
Miscellaneous - {Neighborizer > Friendly Neighbor}
Kill - {Mafia factional kill = SK factional kill = Vigilante}
Role Investigation - {Cop > Gunsmith > Role Cop > Vanilla Cop}
Action Investigation - {Tracker > Watcher > Voyeur > Follower > Motion Detector}

The '>' represents internal priority between the roles.
The '=' means that internal priority between the roles is the same.
All Night Kills have the same priority/speed.

Rules OP

Link

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is 05/28/15, @4PM CT.

(expired on 2015-05-28 16:00:00)

1.00 | 1.01 | 1.02 | 1.03 | 1.04 | 1.05 | 1.06 | 1.07 | 1.08 | 1.09 | 1.10 | 1.11 | 1.12 | 1.13
Ozgin Lynch & Flip
Varsoon Death & Flip
2.00 | 2.01 | 2.02 | 2.03 | 2.04 | 2.05
Titus Lynch & Flip
T S O and Aneninen Death & Flip
3.00 | 3.01 | 3.02 | 3.03 | 3.04 | 3.05 | 3.06 | 3.07 | 3.08

[Skybird]

No, I have never played with her before. Other than pointing out PB wasn't doing anything, she hasn't contributed much to the game.

[Skybird]

Anen, look at the sample role pm. Are you saying the wording on your pm where the sample pm says Citizen is a different color?

[House]

Anen, look at the sample role pm. Are you saying the wording on your pm where the sample pm says Citizen is a different color?

Isn't this kind of scumhunting supposed to be frowned upon by site meta?

(Note: I'm not scumreading you for it skybird, I know others are sniffing around this issue too... just seems like a red herring)

[Skybird]

I don't know House. I'm just following up on lala's and anen's posts.

[Cheetory6]

Why would I do that when I clearly want to get the scum out of my hood?

Didn't you acknowledge earlier that Wake is a jerk who sometimes makes all-town neighborhoods? Why are you hunting purely based off of who's in your neighborhood rather than who you're finding scummy atm, especially if you're admitting that you're really not feeling sure on any of those reads?

[Bookitty]

I have a rock-solid townread on Titus by this point. She definitely tunnels as town and I see that here with no hesitation or backing off whatsoever.

Despite his fluctuating read on me, I'm pretty confident in House town based both on his actions here and in the hood thread. I don't see him directly interacting with me in the ways that he has if he were scum. I'm not AS confident here, but I'm pretty sure.

Egg is a strong townread too.

I don't care what Boonskiies and Dragonspawn are softing. I've never seen Boon this engaged, so I'm going to hold off judgment on him until later, but Dragon was legitimately pretty suspicious in the hood.

Ozgin is misrepping a bit. Both Taly and Dragon were looking elsewhere and being pretty noncommittal about Ozgin-scum or Ozgin-town for a while -- Taly was worse about it, but I had both the thread and the hood as evidence about Dragon. It looked like to me that they were both trying to deflect from the Ozgin wagon without actually taking a direct stand on it. It's not the wishy-washiness in general, it's the specific noncommittal way they addressed the Ozgin wagon that was bothering me.

I like Anen and I think he's town here (these are not correlating statements, but they are both true). Same with SilverWolf. These aren't the townreads to last the ages, but they're good enough for now.

Ozgin continues to be suspicious because imo he's trying to say that he's being caught for the wrong reasons by some people and for the right ones by others. This is a type of parsing I rarely see from town playing to a town wincon. It smacks of survivalism, something I don't think is out of character for Ozgin as town, but it's much more measured and less direct than my most recent experience of that from him.

[Titus]

I am tentatively placing Drixx as town. In his spot, I would be annoyed as well if the hood was outed.

@House, Why are you taking issue with Skybird's hunting based on role PMs but not Varsoon's?

@Bookitty, can you go into more detail about your right and wrong reasons on Ozgin?

[Kitz]

I'm going to vote Prolapse for the reason I already gave before. He didn't post any since the pointing out and could really use some pressure.
Beside, we have more than enough day, with nine days remaining.

#Prolapse :
Lack of constructive posts, posts little, read list without basis.
Mentions that "Everyone else is not memoriable", odd. What makes one memoriable and what makes one not?
Reading the ISO, I'm more and more scumleaning on Prolapse.

VOTE: Prolapset Brain

#Where's Aero?

[Aneninen]

Anen, look at the sample role pm. Are you saying the wording on your pm where the sample pm says Citizen is a different color?

No.
Why do you think Lala posted about light green then?

[Bookitty]

@Bookitty, can you go into more detail about your right and wrong reasons on Ozgin?

Yes, but it will be later this afternoon; I'm going into a meeting in nine minutes. :p

[House]

Why would I do that when I clearly want to get the scum out of my hood?

Didn't you acknowledge earlier that Wake is a jerk who sometimes makes all-town neighborhoods? Why are you hunting purely based off of who's in your neighborhood rather than who you're finding scummy atm, especially if you're admitting that you're really not feeling sure on any of those reads?

No, I didn't.

[Ozgin]

The setup speculation here is actually getting annoying and is giving me a headache.

@Bookitty, I wasn't misrepping you (not intentionally, if you feel otherwise I apologize), but I was making a comment to your language. I don't get your townread on Titus, and I didn't like the language you used to describe why you were iffy about dragon/Taly - It felt like you were kinda just arbitrarily putting doubt on them.

I don't know how I feel about Kitz jumping on the Prolapsed wagon, either.

[Cheetory6]

{Egg}

>

{Ozgin > Kitz Skybird Varsoon}

>

{Drixx > ProlapsedBrain}

^

{dragon boon}

{in a league of their own}

P-Edit: Well, with that acknowledgement that he has done that in the past, why are you so obsessed with only focusing on such a small selection of people for lynching rather than sorting?

[House]

I am tentatively placing Drixx as town. In his spot, I would be annoyed as well if the hood was outed.

@House, Why are you taking issue with Skybird's hunting based on role PMs but not Varsoon's?

@Bookitty, can you go into more detail about your right and wrong reasons on Ozgin?

I already said I wasn't scumreading skybird for it,

and

I acknowledged that others were doing the same thing, so idk what you're asking, exactly.

[Ozgin]

Cheetory, I don't think I follow your colorful chain of names ._. Can you explain it for me?

[Cheetory6]

It's quite simple.
Egg is townlean.
You're nulltown.
Varsoon, Kitz and Song are mostly null atm.
Drixx is nullscum.
Prolapsed is scumlean.
Dragon and Boon are untouchable.

[SilverWolf]

I am tentatively placing Drixx as town. In his spot, I would be annoyed as well if the hood was outed.

You don't think scum would be annoyed by that? I know I was super annoyed at dragon last game for outing my hood with Ozgin.

I'm good with a Prolapsed vote right now.
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

That's a good vote. I'm willing to join that wagon too but I want to see your opinion about Lala's answer I quoted above. Refute me if it wasn't a slip.

I don't think it's the smoking gun you are making it out to be and I don't like scumhunting that way tbh. As far as other points on her, her posting seems pretty awkward and all over the place and very, very nervous. Her reads are off too. But I'd like to see more from her and at least she's giving reads. What has Prolapsed done this game? Did you look at his ISO?