In post 645, Lucky2u wrote:In post 643, RedCoyote wrote:Jeanne and Lucky seem only interested in pestering for a shot to fulfill their vigilante fantasies.
That is kind of why I joined the game. It's surprisingly freeing. I can wait a few days while the player list is whittled down and not worry about being accused of lurking because what can anyone do about it? Shoot me? Goal accomplished. I can't lose.
A few days? Doubtful. Go earn your shot.
unvote enomis
VOTE: vonflare
In post 643, RedCoyote wrote:Victor 613 wrote:Since you haven't said much on the subject since advocating shooting me, I assumed that perhaps you might some new thoughts on the matter.
I disagree with that statement, as Heartless has attested to (though Antihero put it much more harshly than I would've). Immediately after the shot, 557, 558, 560 and 566 were my big takeaways. I think I laid out pretty clearly that I no longer advocate a Heartless shot (as I have in the past), and in fact I've gone as far as to advocate suggest that Heartless, pablito, CB, Wanderer and myself all commit to not shooting one another this game. This is a far cry from my positions prior to Nacho shooting you and revealing you as town, as CB was my only huge townread and Heartless and Wanderer were in my sights.
The shots I would like to see at this very moment would be either enomis, Flubber, julien or PN.
I'm going to retract my previous call for a Jeanne shot. I no longer get the sense that she's scum, nor do I now think the scum came into this game with the strategy to have the goons actively bait for a shot. Jeanne and Lucky seem only interested in pestering for a shot to fulfill their vigilante fantasies. Jeanne especially I see no town or scum motivation behind her posts. Further, she may be replaced with someone useful soon, so I would recommend laying off of her until we see if that happens or not.
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Flubber 618 wrote:From what I've read of your wallpost it looked like you had good points for heartless being scum and then rejected those to sheep nacho. From pablito's most recent post it looks like I missed something Nacho suggested that I'm going to have to ISO later to get back on track
Well, I encourage you to skim over my new position on shooting Heartless and give me a better argument than "if you can make a scum case then you should shoot them". This reads like all sorts of bad to me, Flubber. It reads like you're trying to unduly influence my shot. If you think Heartless is scum, then I encourage you to convince me (and others) that that's the case. I don't like your "behind-the-scenes" attempt at trying to tug at my consciousness and more or less whisper in my ear. 576 strikes me as all sorts of slimy, even if it's out in the open.
Another thing, it reads like you know my alignment. I don't recall you ever making any big sweeping statements that you think I am so town that you know I would get the gun if ever shot....
I find it interesting that RC in 643 made a similar statement to CB back in #287 which won CB strong town-cred. I don't like that statement. That being said, I still have good feelings about RC so far.
Strongest town reads right now: Heartless, CB, RC, Feirei, wanderer
Strongest scum reads right now: Lucky, Maxwell, PN
Reads conditional upon seeing others flip: West9, Flubbernugget
People I don't want shot because it will torture them and maybe they will participate at some point in time: Lucky, millar, enomis, jeanne, Feirei
People I would like to see shot the most: vonflare, julien
I'd rather see vonflare shot than julien. Most of the action on vonflare was early in the game and therefore we would get truer reads on scum if vonflare flips mafia. momentum on julien's wagon seems to have come late D1 and early D2 - therefore I think it's more likely that scum could be on that more than town.
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