In post 554, NotAnAxehole wrote:
I included the Rune town read because I think it's pretty important here. Basically, there is kind of a random town read on Rune, which is followed up by questioning why anything from Rune's play is town. Like, he just asks him in one of the following posts "Why do you hate transparency", "Rune's posts couldn't be further from constructive". Okay... Where does the town "Tone" come from?
I am not townreading Rune anymore, I thought that was reasonably clear. Although I initially interpreted his posting as lighthearted, I began to see it as deliberately counterproductive. In addition, he's outright ignored questions, pushed things he has no basis for, etc. I stopped townreading him not very long after I originally called him town. I have no idea why we are hydrating him and I am very much against doing so. Even if he is town I don't trust him even a little to make a good night choice.
That's my biggest issue with HH right now, and it's not limited to that one instance, it seems like he posts these things about people to emulate scum hunting, but it's really disingenuous because at the end of his post, he just slaps on a vote to one of the cases and I'm left wondering why someone who had a case on them is suddenly town and what happened to all of the other cases? Why was the vote moved ~ neither the first nor the second case looked more solid because he developed them equally.
I would like you to provide examples of this so I can respond in a specific manner. I like to swing my vote around somewhat beause it pleases me to do so, but if you're talking about why our read onOversoul is so weird it's beause Cheet is scumreading him and I am not, and Cheet seems to think he has sole ownership of our vote
Another good example of disingenuous scum hunting is how he "scum reads" me for having a mild town read (as you can see in my read list) on Oversoul. I imagine it'll eventually come to being my turn on the basis of "Well, the read is equally developed, let's see if this sticks".
That is not even close to why I'm scumreading you! I change my mind about people sometimes and frankly I think sticking to your reads come hell or high water is textbook scum play so.
VOTE: axe
Happy?
In post 583, Randomnamechange wrote:I'm going to ISO a few people and make a readslist later.
I think we should hydrate mariomaniac or p2 I.e. someone who looks town but replaced in and so won't have been able to contribute enough.
In post 600, NotAnAxehole wrote: In post 587, Bacon and Egg wrote:tl/dr:
Town: {SeikoxNaomi, Sonic Boom, Homiletic Homunculi}
Nulltown: {Rune, Oversoul, singersigner}
Null: {randomidget}
Nullscum: {Angry Frat Bros, Ricastle, zzzx, TheWayItEnds, NotAnAxeHole, MarioManiac4, p2}
Scum: {Cait Sith, Espyoncheage}
unhydrate
till I talk with GIF. Our vote is good where it is.
~Wis
This reads town to me, I like his read list and reasoning, though, I don't agree with it... I have to acknowledge the possibility that his reads are right and mine are wrong.
I hate this because it's not consistent. Until this post you had a huge ego and everything you said was definitely right all the time always, and while I hate players like that because they are just plain bad at mafia, youcan't just go around having an inconsistent personality and have that be ok with me.
In post 602, NotAnAxehole wrote: In post 599, Homiletic Homunculi wrote: In post 596, NotAnAxehole wrote: In post 595, Homiletic Homunculi wrote: In post 470, NotAnAxehole wrote:Homiletic Homunculi I feel like there are too many distractions from their scum reads, they seem to be piling on a few different reasons why their vote could go other ways, then it goes on someone who in some cases (Sonic) seemed to be their primary discussion topic, while in others it seems to be one of their fallback routes (Oversoul) which they started preparing for previously.
uh
so we're scum for saying a lot of words and voting for people?
please put down the drugs and/or scum role pm
You're making a mockery of a valid point and are refusing to review your play, which I don't like. What I mean is quite clear - the text and the votes don't seem to make sense together.
I can already tell how retarded this argument is going to be.
Your point as far as I can tell is worthy of mockery. We are assessing the entire game and giving lots of opinions on lots of players. That's not "creating fallback routes," it's scumhunting. This reads like you decided to attack us and had to pull a reason to do so from so far up your ass that I imagine your hand must still be stuck there. It's basically a too townie argument as far as I can see. Why would we need to "fall back" off of a sonic vote at a time when they were under a lot of pressure and looked reallyscummy? You've failed to attribute any motivation to this action and are labeling it as scummy because that's the narrative you've decided to push
-Ceph
We're not going to have an argument, either you understand my play style and reasoning or you don't and either I understand your play style and reasoning or I don't. I don't think either of us are going to change our minds about these topics until and unless it's done in a diplomatic manner, and if I'm right (about you being scum), it'll probably only be possible post-game.
What an absurd cop-out.
In post 606, Sonic Boom wrote: In post 598, Homiletic Homunculi wrote:re: sonic wall: I appreciate the effort, but I don't understand why it took so much effort to get this out of you.
ceph will you answer my bolded question
will ANYBODY actually engage me????
I thought you said you only wanted everyone else to answer it
But I don't think it's correct when you take my reads into account. If you were just talking about Cephrir you'd say "is scumreading Axe and ambivolent about Rune."All the same though, I don't think the triangle is particularly indicative of anything. It seems like you want people to say bussing, but bussing in multiball is kind of bad play so ???
In post 616, Rune wrote:
@homunculus why is it weird that I hydrate you after voting you? It's pretty consistent with my prior votes and my thoughts on hydration. I think it's pretty weak for you to make a point like that.
I don't remember what you said about hydration.
In post 621, Espsyoncheage wrote:
Unless someone tells me that posts from like this are normal from a town-him, I consider him scum. Period. ISO White Flag-Psycho. Iso p2 here. Can you see? Can you all see?
Do your own legwork please. If you want to draw a parallel, actually draw it.
In post 624, Sonic Boom wrote:
would actually trust espyonage hydra for the read on psyche.
after all, psyche is their long lost hateful jaded scorned ex-teammate
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In post 632, Sonic Boom wrote:
@HH, What do you think about Seiko's hypocritical response about us not doing anything (bullshit) but letting TWIE coast? Your soft defenses of each other are getting to the point where I am tempted to start calling you guys a scumread but tbh one of you is probably whiteknighting.
~Titus
Link & specifics pls, I am lazy & you already know what you'rereferring to
In post 634, Espsyoncheage wrote: In post 587, Bacon and Egg wrote:tl/dr:
Town: {SeikoxNaomi, Sonic Boom, Homiletic Homunculi}
Nulltown: {Rune, Oversoul, singersigner}
Null: {randomidget}
Nullscum: {Angry Frat Bros, Ricastle, zzzx, TheWayItEnds, NotAnAxeHole, MarioManiac4, p2}
Scum: {Cait Sith, Espyoncheage}
Wait-oh.
Sonic is town, but admitting not being able to read Titus?
Singer is nulltown, however
"Uh. I wanna say town but I feel like that's more bias from TeamMafia than it is an actual townread. The one thing that gives me townvibes here are her questions to the mod, which I feel could have been done in private if she was scum. But I don't know how much water this holds."
? Asking questions in public is a thing that many do as scum.
TWIE is null-scum because of OMGUS-ing Sonic... whereas Sonic is on the townlist.
N'Axe is null-scum because of focus-ing on Rune, even if you don't know him and it could be a town-behavior too?
Hadn't the Rune-alt topic been discussed by that post?
Your read on us... you didn't like anything but you mentioned only one of the heads. Is that enough for calling us a strong read in a large?
Cat Sídhe... yet again, enough for a scumread, but
"I don't know what Mala has posted (I assume just the vague singer/Titus townreads), but I don't see anything town there either."
This is really pedantic and shallow
In post 701, TheWayItEnds wrote:
In post 594, Homiletic Homunculi wrote: In post 434, Sonic Boom wrote:TWIE is scum because he's literally pulling the same woah is me shit he pulled there despite me asking him to scumhunt.
this issue is so much more complex than that and you know it
also i lied about the spamposting
Ceph these feel like strange posts to make back to back.
They don't to me! I don't love your posting & am leaning scum but reading you isn't that simple that you can say "it looks like this one game, instant scumbin."
in fact that is never true.
-Ceph
