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Post Post #1612 (isolation #200) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:31 pm

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You made RC have no words!
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Post Post #1615 (isolation #201) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:33 pm

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Ya, I doubt it's 2-2-10 also
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Post Post #1617 (isolation #202) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:35 pm

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In post 1616, BROseidon wrote:The single kill N1 strongly suggests otherwise.

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Post Post #1619 (isolation #203) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:36 pm

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Post Post #1622 (isolation #204) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:16 pm

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In post 1621, Ankamius wrote:Okay, can someone put all the info we know now in one post for me please?

Gist is we know you're either scum or a fruit vendor at this pt based on PoE
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Post Post #1624 (isolation #205) » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:20 pm

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VOTE: Boonskies
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Post Post #1659 (isolation #206) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:47 am

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I kept mentioning alignment because my point is, it doesnt matter what alignment anyone is. What alignment I am, you are, or player X is. Your behavior this game has been toxic and against the spirit of having fun, and it doesn't matter what your read is on a player, it's no excuse to curse at people. Or self vote and cuss people out when for a moment you're being pressured as if that is with the spirit of the game. Or constantly say how everyone playing is bad at playing and insult people after theyre out as if that's a cool/respectful move (which you did to Grimm, like wth)

Enjoy your high horse, RC, don't be surprised when you start being WotC'd because of your bad attitude.
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Post Post #1660 (isolation #207) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:47 am

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And that's the end of this discussion from me. Clearly it's not going to click.
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Post Post #1661 (isolation #208) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:50 am

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And I kept saying "regardless of alignment" because you kept justifying your rudeness based on what you perceived other people's alignment to be (You were saying Jake and EPM were scum and noone could see it when I said to stop being rude). So I was saying that it doesn't matter who is scum, it doesn't justify your behavior. I didn't just randomly bring up alignment. You brought up alignment.
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Post Post #1662 (isolation #209) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:51 am

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In post 840, MattP wrote:
In post 839, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Yeah that's all well and good, then we get to endgame and oh look Jake and EPM were scum, just like RC said D1.


Then I'll get into another game with you all and it'll be "oh hey RC was a good scumhunter last game."

Then it's "Hey I'm pretty sure X guy is scum because of Y Z."

And still I'll get nothing done with it.

This has nothing to do with that. This has to do with us all being here because we want to have a good time. Please keep it friendly to some degree.

In post 841, MattP wrote:
Again, this is regardless of alignment. Scum, town, whatever.
We're all peeps trying to have a good time.
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Post Post #1664 (isolation #210) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:00 am

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I don't care what your read is on me. Ty for admitting that.
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Post Post #1667 (isolation #211) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:02 pm

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Btw I said when signing up for this game, I am severely V/LA from July 1 to 17 due to being on vacation internationally. I will try my best to post as much as possible during that time but I don't know yet what my Internet situation will be
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Post Post #1669 (isolation #212) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:32 pm

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Gasp
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Post Post #1671 (isolation #213) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:35 pm

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Yeah I was gonna say shes doing a great job so far with making my lynch happen
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Post Post #1673 (isolation #214) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:41 pm

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Something to keep in mind as the game progresses

EPM probably would not have self hammered if the remaining scum was obvscum and clearly an upcoming lynch. Scum self hammer when they think it will help their team. If scum was doomed then EPM would have fought to sway people towards another lynch

It's likely the remaining scum has been playing a strong game
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Post Post #1675 (isolation #215) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:44 pm

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I'm sorry, pretty sure I got shit yesterday for my stance on lost?

Also, maybe put some effort into exploring that possibility since it's useful to look into rather than using it as a self-serving, confbiasing quip for yourself. You're not doing yourself any favors
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Post Post #1677 (isolation #216) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:10 pm

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I'm a difficult lynch bc im pretty adorable/cute i like to think???
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Post Post #1679 (isolation #217) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:15 pm

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Pretty sure a lot of people are townreading me
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Post Post #1680 (isolation #218) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:16 pm

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In fact, pretty sure only you and elyse are scumreading me

And boonskies is voting me but that doesn't really mean much given the effort he's put forth into the game
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Post Post #1682 (isolation #219) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:23 pm

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Logical fallacies are your strong suit
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Post Post #1684 (isolation #220) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:34 pm

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No, you are justifying that one extreme is true because the other extreme is not true :roll:
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Post Post #1686 (isolation #221) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:37 pm

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In post 1685, RadiantCowbells wrote:But you're still scum.

And if it wasn't and you were worried about that, why would you be voting Boonskiies, the easiest lynch in the game?

Oooh!

I'm sorry, but wasn't I on this slot when it was a HARD lynch too? I didn't just start scumreading the slot post-boonskies replace in

You just see whatever you want to see. You're tunneling is bird brained
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Post Post #1688 (isolation #222) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:40 pm

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Heh
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Post Post #1692 (isolation #223) » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:01 pm

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Dude, if I was scum I'd give you full cred. I don't have some huge ego I'm trying to protect.

Alternatively, when I flip town I hope you don't try BS your way out of your bad read and reflect on your oversights :]
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Post Post #1700 (isolation #224) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:04 am

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In post 1698, Flubbernugget wrote:The game is solved

3 lynch candidates and 3 lynches left

So you agree with all those reads?
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Post Post #1703 (isolation #225) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:47 am

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In post 1702, RadiantCowbells wrote:Except for, y'know, the fact that it assumes someone's town.

Can't tell if you're referring to me or you

The former would make you a hypocrite
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Post Post #1705 (isolation #226) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:54 am

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I think it's pretty clear I have issue with how Flubber just accepted Mt list
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Post Post #1706 (isolation #227) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:58 am

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My list*
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Post Post #1707 (isolation #228) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:02 am

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He clearly put no effort into analyzing the list, maybe hes lazy or disengaged but in 1701 he's acting like he is engaged and put thought into why my list is correct which makes it bad
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Post Post #1709 (isolation #229) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:51 pm

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In post 1708, Titus wrote:Why is it bad for town Flubber to do that knowing he'll be lynched though? If he was a town person, I would agree.

Sure, I agree, other than:
In post 1701, Flubbernugget wrote:By Poe yes. I mean I'm not scum but nobody in that town pile makes me uncomfortable. Well bro does but again I think he claimed gs. So I guess there's a possibility that one of you two are fakeclaiming? Gahhh

Plus with 2 gs in play (i think) doesn't that allow us to clear someone in that scum pool and push one of the town reads into it if necessary? Errrrr no idea now that the idea of fakeclaiming is in my head

Which backtracks on it being a concrete list
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Post Post #1710 (isolation #230) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:54 pm

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1) Agrees with my list clearly without logic or effort
2) Tries to act like he is using effort in 1701, which rules out laziness as an explanation for his sloppiness
3) Throws out that maybe the GS claim (or claims? He says there were 2 GS claims but there's only been one I believe) is a lie and the town list might not be valid
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Post Post #1713 (isolation #231) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:05 pm

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In post 1711, Boonskiies wrote:VOTE: Elyse

Why?
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Post Post #1714 (isolation #232) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:07 pm

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Boon was such a better vig kill
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Post Post #1719 (isolation #233) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:13 pm

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The three people you've suspected today were the three who have voted you, who are {me, Elyse, Titus}
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Post Post #1723 (isolation #234) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:20 pm

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When will you be caught up?
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Post Post #1726 (isolation #235) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:26 pm

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VOTE: Flubbernugget
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Post Post #1727 (isolation #236) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:26 pm

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Lookin forward to your newfound contributions [:
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Post Post #1729 (isolation #237) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:28 pm

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Why?
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Post Post #1733 (isolation #238) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:35 pm

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I don't agree with your reasons but I'm going to sleep. I'll respond more at length tomorrow.
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Post Post #1741 (isolation #239) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:54 pm

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Boon is town

Hoorayyyy
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Post Post #1746 (isolation #240) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:05 pm

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In post 1742, RadiantCowbells wrote:You know if you parcel out townreads to everyone who townreads you you're going to eventually run out of lynches.

You act like this is a trend of mine, so I'd love to see some more examples
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Post Post #1749 (isolation #241) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:11 pm

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In post 1558, MattP wrote:
In post 368, evilpacman18 wrote:The Bulge wagon makes no fucking sense, why is nobody seeing that?

In post 708, evilpacman18 wrote:Can we get a show of hands of anyone who actually thinks RC vs Jake is town v town? I feel like most of us don't which means we lynch scum either today or tomorrow, meanwhile Bulge will either turn up or replace out, either way his slot will most likely fix itself you all can decide about him when there's something to actually base a decision on.

This is a weird associative situation between RC/Jake/Bulge

Pedit: @Bro, pisskop was a COP, not a gunsmith That setup doesnt make sense with a cop also in the setup.

In post 1560, MattP wrote:EPM posted 708 when bulge wagon was 3 and growing and RC wagon was 4

In post 1561, MattP wrote:VOTE: TheBulge

I just reviewed Lost's iso as well. Lost never develops any position on Bulge the entirety of the game and calls him null, as Lost had done with EPM
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Post Post #1751 (isolation #242) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:23 pm

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In post 1602, Titus wrote:
In post 1599, MattP wrote:N1 mafia got a gunsmith result, N2 they didn't. BRO claimed two no gun results on vonplare and elyse. If he were scum he would have had to guess gun result on at least one of them (unless one is scum with him, which I doubt?) so the risk isnt worth it, BRO is town


Role cop, desperate measures, etc.

In post 1581, Titus wrote:@MattP, I am inclined to agree but I would leave open a two scum universe. My reads right now are Elyse and Bro for scum.

In post 1597, Titus wrote:I am thinking Bro's claim of being GS is obviously fake. Why would a GS leave us with precisely the wrong impression of what his results were?
By claiming Elyse is his check, he can buddy the fuck up to Elyse (provided three scum) or lie and clear Elyse (four scum). I am leaning the three scum variant given Elyse repeatedly voting Lostaway is pretty good although Elyse chainsaw my admittedly limited VCA and still tunnelling with me being right is off.

Also her pushing BRO as scum beyond any logic was scummy. She actually pointed this out herself quite nicely. I had Titus/Flubber/Boonskies as containing the scum by PoE. Flubber accepted my list as and this happened:

In post 1705, MattP wrote:I think it's pretty clear I have issue with how Flubber just accepted my list

In post 1708, Titus wrote:Why is it bad for town Flubber to do that knowing he'll be lynched though? If he was a town person [on the list], I would agree.


Titus actually DID do the opposite of Flubber. She seemed to go so much out of her way to discredit BRO, which would make sense as scum. The possible scum list is getting so small at this point that discrediting BRO's GS claim gives her some leeway.
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Post Post #1752 (isolation #243) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:27 pm

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VOTE: Titus
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Post Post #1756 (isolation #244) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:38 pm

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In post 1755, RadiantCowbells wrote:Boon, I thought better of you.

From my perspective this is chortle-worthy
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Post Post #1758 (isolation #245) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:43 pm

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In post 1757, RadiantCowbells wrote:It's not so funny when you realize that if Bro died last night you would have been falsely cleared and won this shitty game.

Randomness aside, I'm town, so it wouldn't have been so game-swaying! Dont you worry your little head off
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Post Post #1761 (isolation #246) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:55 pm

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Yeah, that was an unnecessary claim since focus was beginning to shift from you, but that's fine
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Post Post #1763 (isolation #247) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:58 pm

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In post 1274, pisskop wrote:
In post 1273, Ankamius wrote:what exactly makes you different from everyone else who has been suspecting me

Well besides me not suspecting you?
Im sure quite a bit.

In post 1275, pisskop wrote:I think you are town Ank.

@Boon, this seems to be pisskop crumbing his cop on Ank
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Post Post #1766 (isolation #248) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:02 pm

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vonflare - no gun
BROseidon - town GS
RadiantCowbells
Elyse - no gun
Flubbernugget
Titus
Boonskiies - town GS backup
Ankamius -probcopped town
MattP

That leaves RC, Mattp, Flubber, Titus

I read RC as town, albeit annoying.
Despite RC's highly logical and compelling arguments, I'm p confident I read my role pm correctly

So Flubber/Titus
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Post Post #1767 (isolation #249) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:03 pm

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On another note, this game is rly town-sided even with the GS mechanic scum had.
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Post Post #1769 (isolation #250) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:04 pm

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In post 1, Bicephalous Bob wrote:-Power roles guaranteed not to be in this game are Miller, Strongman, Godfather, and Traitor.

^ in the OP

There is no godfather.
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Post Post #1770 (isolation #251) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:06 pm

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In post 1, Bicephalous Bob wrote:-The Mafia are the only anti-town faction.

Wordage seems to imply only one scum team.

I think this game is nearly wrapped up.
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Post Post #1773 (isolation #252) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:08 pm

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You too bud *two thumbs up*
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Post Post #1778 (isolation #253) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:10 pm

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I also typed that out and clicked enter but I didn't wanna pedit2 the same thing!
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Post Post #1783 (isolation #254) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:12 pm

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I'm gonna PM the mod and check just because why not
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Post Post #1788 (isolation #255) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:16 pm

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In post 0, Bicephalous Bob wrote:Lostaway, a Mafia Even-Night-Only Backup Gunsmith, was lynched Day 1.

Actually, the "even-night-only" modifier is before "backup", not before "gunsmith". So it DOES seem like Bob was making Lostaway a backup only on even nights -- rather than a
gunsmith
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Post Post #1789 (isolation #256) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:18 pm

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It seems like Lostaway would have only become a gunsmith if another gunsmith with killed on an EVEN NIGHT

As in, if a gunsmith was lynched that would have been a day-phase kill and so he wouldnt have become a GS either

These modifiers are so confusing
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Post Post #1793 (isolation #257) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:21 pm

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In post 1790, Titus wrote:Wow now we even help scum fix their claims...

Boon said it first, I just altered the wording, but the meaning was the same?

Regardless, I PMd the mod, so we'll see.

Sorry you had to deal with such a town-strong setup
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Post Post #1797 (isolation #258) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:24 pm

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In post 1791, Boonskiies wrote:pisskop shooting mafia gunsmith on an odd-night, or bro getting shot on an odd-night would give me the power. It's completely even.

Actually, this swings it slightly more so in scum favor since obv that JoaT would do a cop N1 and a vig N2, so pisskop was more likely to hand over an extra GS power to scum

Even so, I think this game was highly town-aligned and obviously should have done without the cop-power pisskop had.
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Post Post #1804 (isolation #259) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:30 pm

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Lel
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Post Post #1809 (isolation #260) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:34 pm

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In post 1808, RadiantCowbells wrote:Titus, you've seen my town game.

How many favours do I need to call in to get this lynch?

Side note, I think Boonskiies is onto something.

:lol:
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Post Post #1810 (isolation #261) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:35 pm

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"Do me a favor Titus!"

"Side note, Titus might be scum"

:giggle:
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Post Post #1814 (isolation #262) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:42 pm

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Gnight for real!
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Post Post #1828 (isolation #263) » Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:08 pm

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Came up with some logic wizardry while heading to sleep will post later today

RC who have you targeted so far
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Post Post #1838 (isolation #264) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:05 am

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This game is outrageously overpowered if RC is a town JK, no matter what scum has.

RC needs to claim his JK targets before lynch or we are idiots. That's obviously useful information
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Post Post #1840 (isolation #265) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:13 am

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Also I'm pretty sure RC claimed something different earlier on this game

unvote


He needs to fullclaim

Also, titus, you are wrong on bro and boon. Bro claimed two gunsmith results even though scum could only have gotten one. You justified that by saying that one of bros gunsmith results with scun with bro.

If bro and boon are scum there's no way there's a third living scum in a 14p setup which would mean both of bros gs results are town, which would mean bro had to guess on one of his result, which he obviously wouldn't do as scum. So bro and boons cannot be scum tpgether, which makes your gs argument hold no water

Pedit: ok?
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Post Post #1841 (isolation #266) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:17 am

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The only possibility is a bro/elyse team, but again, in a 14p game with only one scumteam, as stated in the OP, you operate on the fact there are 3 scum. Otherwise it's 2 mislynches and you lose
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Post Post #1842 (isolation #267) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:18 am

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Actually 3 mislynches*

Still balance dictates a 14p game has 3 scum
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Post Post #1844 (isolation #268) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:27 am

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You're not getting my lynch today

Stop being so stagnant, you're killing your game
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Post Post #1850 (isolation #269) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:45 am

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In post 1819, RadiantCowbells wrote:JK of course. I'm a full Annie.

RC said this

Cant wait to see what you derive from me reading a post and comprehending it to mean what it says *thumbsup*
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Post Post #1851 (isolation #270) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:45 am

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I just realized JK stood for just kidding

LELELELEL
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Post Post #1852 (isolation #271) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:48 am

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In post 1847, RadiantCowbells wrote:You know, the point where he needs me as a later lynch and he wants to have me fakeclaiming as backup for his case.

This is the most illogical thing you've said all game

Congrats, it must have been hard for you to one-up yourself
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Post Post #1853 (isolation #272) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:49 am

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VOTE: Titus
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Post Post #1855 (isolation #273) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:37 am

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Boonskies, BROseidon, MattP, Elyse

That's L-1
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Post Post #1856 (isolation #274) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:39 am

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Actually:

Flubbernugget, Boonskies, BROseidon, MattP, Elyse

That was hammer
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Post Post #1862 (isolation #275) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:11 am

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In post 1861, Titus wrote:That is not a claim of jk.

I already intuited that? What possible scum intent is there to pretending to misunderstand a claim?
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Post Post #1864 (isolation #276) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:22 am

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In post 1818, RadiantCowbells wrote:I claim backup Annie.

In post 1863, RadiantCowbells wrote:Did you or did you not vote MattP with me, Titus?

You're the most cathartic person to argue with ever because every thing you point out is easily refutable and then as soon as I point out how stupid something is you've accused me of, you immediately drop that discussion and jump onto the next illogical train of thought you can muster up.
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Post Post #1865 (isolation #277) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:22 am

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Didn't mean to quote 1818

I've OBJECTIVELY bashed every single thing you've called me out for today. I can make a novel out of every time I've shot you down today
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Post Post #1868 (isolation #278) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:47 am

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In post 1867, RadiantCowbells wrote:I have no use arguing with you.

I disagree that you've objectively bashed my points at all. You've made semi-plausible assertions that are unverifiable and present a different picture of why you've done things, but I find the version where you're scum far more compelling.

You're out of time.

Half the points you've made are logically inconsistent regardless of interpretation :roll:
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Post Post #1870 (isolation #279) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:48 am

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BEST EXERCISE EVER! brb
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Post Post #1871 (isolation #280) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:50 am

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Spoiler:
In post 1678, RadiantCowbells wrote:Just vote him with me, please.

This game has left a sour taste in my mouth. I just want it done.

I'm a difficult lynch bc im pretty adorable/cute i like to think???


You're a difficult lynch because Bro townreads you. No other reason.

In post 1679, MattP wrote:Pretty sure a lot of people are townreading me

In post 1680, MattP wrote:In fact, pretty sure only you and elyse are scumreading me

And boonskies is voting me but that doesn't really mean much given the effort he's put forth into the game

In post 1681, RadiantCowbells wrote:Which would make you fit snugly into the category of

It's likely the remaining scum has been playing a strong game

In post 1682, MattP wrote:Logical fallacies are your strong suit

In post 1683, RadiantCowbells wrote:How is that fallacious at all?

You just defended yourself by saying that only two people are scumreading you.

That would mean you're in a strong position, aka playing a strong game.

Do you even reason bro?

In post 1684, MattP wrote:No, you are justifying that one extreme is true because the other extreme is not true :roll:

In post 1685, RadiantCowbells wrote:But you're still scum.

And if it wasn't and you were worried about that, why would you be voting Boonskiies, the easiest lynch in the game?
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Post Post #1872 (isolation #281) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:52 am

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Spoiler:
In post 1685, RadiantCowbells wrote:But you're still scum.

And if it wasn't and you were worried about that,
why would you be voting Boonskiies, the easiest lynch in the game?

In post 1686, MattP wrote:
In post 1685, RadiantCowbells wrote:But you're still scum.

And if it wasn't and you were worried about that, why would you be voting Boonskiies, the easiest lynch in the game?

Oooh!

I'm sorry, but
wasn't I on this slot when it was a HARD lynch too?
I didn't just start scumreading the slot post-boonskies replace in

You just see whatever you want to see. You're tunneling is bird brained

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Post Post #1873 (isolation #282) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:53 am

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Spoiler:
In post 1746, MattP wrote:
In post 1742, RadiantCowbells wrote:You know if you parcel out townreads to everyone who townreads you you're going to eventually run out of lynches.

You act like this is a trend of mine, so I'd love to see some more examples
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Post Post #1874 (isolation #283) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:56 am

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And that was me being GENEROUS about what constitutes being illogical. The other 3 or so things you've called me out today were, at best, just narrow-minded

The ONLY thing I have going against me is I wasn't on the EPM or Lost lynches, which is what it is.
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Post Post #1876 (isolation #284) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:11 am

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1) Again, I am clearly in the middle of the spectrum between being a universal townread (A) and a universal scumread (B). You stated I was heavily towards the B side of the spectrum. Then when I pointed out I was not, you concluded that I was therefore heavily towards the A side of the spectrum, completely disregarding I could be in the middle of the spectrum (which I am). And the
best
part is that you clearly initially were saying I was on the B side to take away any potential bragging rights you feared I would have if I
was
scum and
did
win the game, and then you tried to immediately thereafter go 180 degrees and say the opposite was true, that I was on the A side, to justify me being scum
based on my OWN interpretation of EPM's actions in the game
. You tried using my logic to justify your narrative AND accused me of two different things within 2 subsequent posts that were complete opposites of each other

2) Sure, I did contradict my own logic by voting Boonskies at that time. You didn't clarify that was your point at the time I called you out though, you just dropped the subject altogether

3) First off, I have NOT once townread someone after they started townreading me. Second, if it is a trend this whole game then what does that have to do with me?
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Post Post #1878 (isolation #285) » Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:18 am

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In post 1877, RadiantCowbells wrote:I baited you into a trap and you fell for it.

Gonna step back from this convo because a) you didn't do anything b) you are again completely ignoring the logic regarding not being on either of the two extremes c) you're just obnoxious to talk to because you're so full of yourself
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Post Post #1907 (isolation #286) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:11 pm

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We have (presumably, assuming 3p scumteam) three lynches left between RC/Flubber/me

That's assuming we trust that pisskop was crumbing an inno result on Ank, which I trusst - and if we assume Boonskies is town based on his claim and play yesterday, which I trust.

The game is in the bag
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Post Post #1909 (isolation #287) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:16 pm

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I would say Ank is less "hmmm" than RC based on the pk crumb
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Post Post #1915 (isolation #288) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:32 pm

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In post 1349, Ankamius wrote:I don't really care about the actual reads.

Kinetic was the one firmly pushing it over everyone else, and half the player list almost just kind of chimed in agreeing passively. Now that Kinetic is dead and no one else is speaking up about it (RC mentioned it in passing but didn't push it at all), suddenly no one is interested in it anymore.

The even funnier part is that the list of people forming this list are the same people that aren't really doing anything and haven't since basically the point that I replaced in.

There's definitely scum intent in there and the fact that it takes me ripping off all my limbs and making a lovely mosaic with all my internal organs to get pretty much anything out of 90% of the player list is doing fuck all to narrow down the possibilities. It helps that except for pisskop, everyone I've been able to get stuff out of had town responses.
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Post Post #1917 (isolation #289) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:35 pm

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^Laughably town post from Ankamius which makes me feel pretty confident he's town REGARDLESS of the pisskop crumb.
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Post Post #1923 (isolation #290) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:48 pm

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"Matt keeps pointing out people's towniness and trying to look for alignment-identifying information. He's the only person to be putting any effort into looking back in the game to dig up any clues. He's scum!"
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Post Post #1924 (isolation #291) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:49 pm

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And brace yourself for this SHOCKER - I would lynch you in a HEARTBEAT before I would lynch myself.
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Post Post #1926 (isolation #292) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:52 pm

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VOTE: Flubbernugget
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Post Post #1927 (isolation #293) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:53 pm

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Flubber has NEVER voted another flipped scum player all game.
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Post Post #1928 (isolation #294) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:56 pm

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Spoiler: death sentence
In post 1374, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1365, Titus wrote:How does EPN have no votes when RC voted them a couple pages back?

VOTE: epm

That is what I want a first glance. He wasn't on the Lostaway wagon. EPM made a post that is psychologically suggestive. He votes RC very large and prominent but switches to Flubber more subtly.




You can be town for posting this before I could

Prove to me grim is town and ill move my vote

In post 1487, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1462, Titus wrote:@Flubber it could be your persuasion rather than you being wrong.

Give me a summary of your case please?

What do you think of EPM?

Case on Grimm:

-contradictions in wallposts

-chainsaw at rc in defense of lost followed by an awkward bus

-jabs at people with no follow up

I don't have a read on EPM
but I'm willing to sheep the general scum read. That being said I think Grimm deserves more attention for staying under the radar. He's not a player you want to try and re-read come lylo

In post 1496, Titus wrote:
In post 1487, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1462, Titus wrote:@Flubber it could be your persuasion rather than you being wrong.

Give me a summary of your case please?

What do you think of EPM?

Case on Grimm:

-contradictions in wallposts

-chainsaw at rc in defense of lost followed by an awkward bus

-jabs at people with no follow up

I don't have a read on RPM but I'm willing to sheep the general scum read. That being said I think Grimm deserves more attention for staying under the radar. He's not a player you want to try and re-read come lylo


Which posts have contradictions? About what?

I've accounted for VCA right now and I don't see Grimm as more outstanding than EPM at this time.

I'll keep an eye on him, but I'm not persuaded by your case.

@Grimm, It's Titus. :-p

In post 1497, Flubbernugget wrote:I don't vca. We will remain in disagreement.

Flubber agrees with Titus: "You're town because you called at EPM-scum before I could"
Titus votes EPM
Titus asks Flubber for his opinion on EPM
Flubber says EPM is !!NULL!! and deflects to Grimm (who is now flipped town)
Titus asks Flubber to look at her vca
Flubber says he doesn't do that

Flubber has never voted scum all game
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Post Post #1929 (isolation #295) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:57 pm

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In post 547, MattP wrote:
Town
(most town to least town)
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(but I'm really coy about it)
JFSM

Grimmjow

RC

Kinetic

Elyse

Pisskop


Uncertain after reading them

Lostaway <- Diffuse read, nothing particularly polarizing
EPM <- Some moderately scummy feelings but need to reevaluate as a cohesive entity after I've slept on it

Scum reads
(least scum to most scum)
OS

Flubber



Excluded from reads until tomorrow because I read way too much at once and Bro/Vyse came into the game too far in for me to have a clear mind upon reading them. Bulge I need[ some time to think about.


Btw like humblebrag but if Flubber ends up being scum then all of the scum were in my bottom four D1
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Post Post #1935 (isolation #296) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:27 pm

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That's explicitly not true and antitown to even pretend, and now I have a non-sour reason to blacklist you from any future games I'm in
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Post Post #1936 (isolation #297) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:28 pm

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Holy jeez I dislike playing with you
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Post Post #1946 (isolation #298) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:35 pm

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"vanilla cop" isn't a normal role

#blacklistingRC
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Post Post #1948 (isolation #299) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:37 pm

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The fakeclaim wouldn't have worked well anywhere because it's stupid and nauseatingly antitown

And for the record, of course you're too dense to see anything past what you want to see, but if I was scum I could EASILY get you mislynched for the stupidity you've displayed on this page.
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Post Post #1951 (isolation #300) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:40 pm

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In post 1949, RadiantCowbells wrote:You're trying to save my ML for LyLo because you're going to get lynched after I go down either way.

You think this game revolves around you

I care SO little about you and the complete lack of anything useful or enjoyable you've contributed to this game
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Post Post #1954 (isolation #301) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:42 pm

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In post 1952, RadiantCowbells wrote:I care so little for how you criticize my playstyle for trying to lynch you.

Other people have tried to lynch me without fake investigations and threatening to self vote

Never talking with you again after this post
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Post Post #1959 (isolation #302) » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:46 pm

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In post 1956, RadiantCowbells wrote:Broseidon was displeased about that in 167 too.

Scum never like being caught.

So funny & interesting you think that because I've been very vocal about my seething dislike of playing with you before you ever voted me or even had me as a scum read

Ok no never talking again
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Post Post #1963 (isolation #303) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:30 am

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I had you as a townread via a probably cop investigation before that, it's not like I was just using it to do a "180" you
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Post Post #1965 (isolation #304) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:56 am

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My reasoning is unchanged

On top of my reasoning, I was just pointing out something that I ALSO liked?

I mean usually at this stage of the game I rego over the thread just to make sure I'm positive about how I feel
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #305) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:49 am

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You quickly made d2 irrelevant with your play thereafter
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Post Post #2027 (isolation #306) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:44 am

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Boon is obv town
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Post Post #2028 (isolation #307) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:44 am

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RC is a bad scum hunter
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Post Post #2030 (isolation #308) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:44 am

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The sky is blue
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Post Post #2034 (isolation #309) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:48 am

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Your play here is terrible

I bet you'll ego your way out of it post game and justify your play was somehow good
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Post Post #2042 (isolation #310) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:44 pm

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Also ank, you've played with me so many times. You know my scum game is incredibly unimpressive.
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Post Post #2044 (isolation #311) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:00 pm

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You're really good at saying hypotheticals that demonstrate nothing logical or elucidating as sub-intelligent scare tactics
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Post Post #2048 (isolation #312) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:08 pm

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In post 2047, Ankamius wrote:Mattp how long ago have all these games happened? The only complete game I remember playing with you was the recent one where I paid close to no attention after day 2.

I replaced into your slot a bunch of times, but I don't read games I replace into as often as I do.

I'm referring to the 100 scum chat games we played
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Post Post #2053 (isolation #313) » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:37 pm

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Ank needs to vote flubber or the lynch won't happen today
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Post Post #2064 (isolation #314) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:51 am

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This is one of those prime examples where effort actually does equate to towniness. Flubber is avoiding the thread like it's the plague, he's never done this before
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Post Post #2065 (isolation #315) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:54 am

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In post 1978, Flubbernugget wrote:VOTE: boons

This is all he's posted today. A vote on the fourth most likely slot to be scum, the slot he NEEDS lynched to win the game

It's mind blowing how transparent this situation is
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Post Post #2066 (isolation #316) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:55 am

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Like his narrative is an order if magnitude more consistent with self preservation scum strategy than anyone else's this game
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Post Post #2070 (isolation #317) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:01 am

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Shocker of this page: RC sticks with his ways
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Post Post #2072 (isolation #318) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:26 am

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If flubber flips town and we were both alive tomorrow I would fight VEHEMENTLY for you to be lynched

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Post Post #2074 (isolation #319) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:34 am

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It would be so disorienting you'd experience flashbacks of your birth from the womb
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Post Post #2076 (isolation #320) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:50 am

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It was a joke

Also, it would be great if you could contribute more
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Post Post #2092 (isolation #321) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:48 pm

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In post 2089, RadiantCowbells wrote:If you're really going to lynch me now I don't even care. I've done enough for this game.

But you're going to lynch Matt and Boon tomorrow and the day after.

Quoting this after the game is over as proof that you would have let us lose the game if you had any control over it
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #322) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:49 pm

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We aren't lynching RC

It needlessly prolongs the game, Flubber is clear as day scum
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Post Post #2094 (isolation #323) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:49 pm

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I don't want to be dealing with this game in two days it's annoying enough as is
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Post Post #2096 (isolation #324) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:01 pm

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It's a PL, it's sloppy. I'll let him be sloppy
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Post Post #2100 (isolation #325) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:17 pm

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You didn't lead both those lynches, your play yesterday sucked, and your "lynch me as long as you next lynch Matt and boon" is probably a game losing strategy for town

But dont worry, you can explain your way out of it when I quote it come endgame
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Post Post #2104 (isolation #326) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:20 pm

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In post 2102, RadiantCowbells wrote:I won't need to talk my way out of shit.

One of you and Boonskiies is scum.

That's final and absolute.

First off, you spent all your time up until recently saying I was DEFINITELY scum so even if boon ends up being scum your play has largely sucked yesterday and today

Second, boon is very likely NOT scum so your play is game losing

Kbye!
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Post Post #2107 (isolation #327) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:25 pm

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I already said, Flubber has NEVER voted scum or called scum scum, other than once (EPM) which he immediately contradicted

At work can't pull up quotes

It's in my iso
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Post Post #2122 (isolation #328) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:42 pm

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Not if you get lynched then me then boon :roll:
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Post Post #2125 (isolation #329) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:44 pm

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We aren't going to help anyone come to a decision by spamming

At this point we are going in circles

Just let's let other people chime in Boon
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Post Post #2137 (isolation #330) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:53 pm

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Just let it go for now boon
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Post Post #2143 (isolation #331) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:03 pm

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I'm actually completely down with

Flubber
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Lynches in that order as suggested by Boon.
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Post Post #2145 (isolation #332) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:04 pm

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Stop talking about other game
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Post Post #2147 (isolation #333) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:08 pm

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I know but like what does this have to do with this game, it's just disengaging

I have plenty of cool games I would love to talk about too
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Post Post #2151 (isolation #334) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:34 pm

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In post 2149, Boonskiies wrote:RadiantCowbells (4):
evilpacman18, Lostaway,
The Bulge,
Flubbernugget
[/b]


I can't see this being a plausible counterwagon for Lost on day 1. Anyways, this was only a 14 player game, so most likely only 3 scum members.

Even if flubber is town this makes RC look really good for town

I think the kosher thing to do here IS Flubber -> mattp -> Ankamius
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Post Post #2152 (isolation #335) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:34 pm

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Von lay the hammer
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Post Post #2155 (isolation #336) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:48 pm

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I'm like so chill with not having to spend another day fighting tooth and nail. I'll die peacefully

But ank goes in lylo
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Post Post #2156 (isolation #337) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:49 pm

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Flubber - mattp, boonskies, Ankamius and finally Elyse to make that a hammer
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Post Post #2158 (isolation #338) » Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:18 pm

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Lel
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Post Post #2166 (isolation #339) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:09 am

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VOTE: Ankamius

Of course I'm the lynch today but just placing the vote for the poster sake

Gl in lylo vonflare
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Post Post #2167 (isolation #340) » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:09 am

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Posterity*
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Post Post #2171 (isolation #341) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:56 pm

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Ya the one time RC is granted a field day he says nothing
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Post Post #2173 (isolation #342) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:45 pm

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In post 2172, Ankamius wrote:Vonflare why are you umming?

He has a neg gunsmith result on him, why do you care?
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Post Post #2178 (isolation #343) » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:45 pm

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In post 2175, RadiantCowbells wrote:Boonskiies kill weirds me out.

I'm going to most likely be stuck in LyLo with Vonflare who I don't trust at all so I'm hesitant to lynch right now.

Yeah, I don't like you, but I think you're town so I wish you the best of luck. Von has you as a scumread so it will be an uphill battle. I think you've played a much more town game overall than ank

No need to respond saying you think I'm scum, I'm already aware :] If you ARE scum then I think you've played a good game and I dislike you just a lil less ;)
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Post Post #2184 (isolation #344) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:07 am

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Idk why Ankamius is stalling, he clearly thought I was scum all day yesterday!
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Post Post #2187 (isolation #345) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:12 pm

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I was town :]
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Post Post #2188 (isolation #346) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:13 pm

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In post 2186, vonflare wrote:=========[]

VOTE: matt

2184 is something scum would say.

Moronic you would do this, I was already hammered? Have fun in lylo, no way elyse is being kept alive over you
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