Newbie 1613: Mafia in the Summer (Game Over)

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Post Post #675 (ISO) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:26 pm

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I find that concerning as well. The thing is, I can't discern if it's scum shifting where the winds blow, vs town that's confused etc. Bulba isn't my primary lynch target because of that.
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Post Post #676 (ISO) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:35 pm

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Vote Count 2.10radmann9 (2) - Aneninen, Cthulhu Dreaming
notscience (2) - Drixx, radmann9
Bulbazoor (1) - JumpsToConclusions
Drixx (1) - DoctorPepper

Not Voting (2) - notscience, Bulbazoor


With 8 votes in play, it will take 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, July 6, 2015, at 2:30 AM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-07-06 02:30:00).

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Post Post #677 (ISO) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:37 pm

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In post 675, Cthulhu Dreaming wrote:I find that concerning as well. The thing is, I can't discern if it's scum shifting where the winds blow, vs town that's confused etc. Bulba isn't my primary lynch target because of that.


Although our main goal is to lynch mafia, isn't this bad/dangerous either way. If I were to be at what I assume will be final 4 (unless there is a save/no lynch/no night action), I would rather have a potentially town radmann than a potentially confused town Bulba.
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Post Post #678 (ISO) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:40 pm

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In post 591, Bulbazoor wrote:Thanks for getting radman.
VOTE: radmann
My main lynch target. My jucter scumread has gone away.


while we're all talking about radmann and while I do think he is pretty scummy, I think Bulbazoor is always at a very opportunistic position on both the drixx and the radmann wagons
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Post Post #679 (ISO) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:48 pm

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In post 677, JumpsToConclusions wrote:
In post 675, Cthulhu Dreaming wrote:I find that concerning as well. The thing is, I can't discern if it's scum shifting where the winds blow, vs town that's confused etc. Bulba isn't my primary lynch target because of that.


Although our main goal is to lynch mafia, isn't this bad/dangerous either way. If I were to be at what I assume will be final 4 (unless there is a save/no lynch/no night action), I would rather have a potentially town radmann than a potentially confused town Bulba.


It's debatable. I'd rather have strong players at LYLO/MYLO. Ultimately, I'd prefer players who are at least posting enough so that I can get a read, ergo I prefer to keep Bulbazoor over Radmann9 (I also see some small reasons to lean town on Bulba that are lacking from Radmann).
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Post Post #680 (ISO) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:50 pm

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In post 678, DoctorPepper wrote:
In post 591, Bulbazoor wrote:Thanks for getting radman.
VOTE: radmann
My main lynch target. My jucter scumread has gone away.


while we're all talking about radmann and while I do think he is pretty scummy, I think Bulbazoor is always at a very opportunistic position on both the drixx and the radmann wagons


While I find your assessment reasonable, I personallly vacillate between opportunism and confusion on that slot. Push comes to shove, I'll vote Bulba, but I would prefer Radmann.
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Post Post #681 (ISO) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:28 pm

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Bulba did come right out of the gate attacking me as if trying to disperse any suspicions on himself by instantly pushing it onto me. It felt weird at the time and still made me have suspicions on him. At first I just thought he was new and trying to test his wings so-to-speak, but then his votes on which wagon to ride kept changing with the wind. From me to juckter to me to drixx and so on. If Bulba would provide an actual in-depth analysis on his reads other than 'he's town, he's scum, he's null,' I'd be willing to move onto other targets. The fact he has yet to do so just feels scummy. Even after being asked to provide some reads.
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Post Post #682 (ISO) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:02 pm

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I will not lunch anyone on the LQ wagon and will assume they are town today. Scum can only come from the last 3 people, namely the Drixx, radmann and Bulbazor

Radman seems to be to derpy. I do not think scum would act the way he is acting in this scenario. Its not even too scummy to be scum, its pretty much #YOLO
Drixx for me is dismissive and is trying to hard to sound townish. He's trying to sound authiritative
But Bulba is my main suspect today for the reasons I have mentioned before. His wagon placement is opportunistic. Not to mention Ilhom saod he'd hammer at deadline when he could have easily hammered. That is grade a stalling

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Post Post #683 (ISO) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:07 pm

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@DoctorPepper - would you mind expanding on your read on Radmann?
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Post Post #684 (ISO) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:08 pm

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@notscience - I think we'd all like to see you take a definitive stand.
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Post Post #685 (ISO) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:27 pm

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In post 683, Cthulhu Dreaming wrote:@DoctorPepper - would you mind expanding on your read on Radmann?


Starngely, I really can't see why scum in a 1 scum-all town would act like he's acting. He sounds like he's throwing caution to the wind and throws shit to a wall to see what sticks. Its not cold, calculating scum
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Post Post #686 (ISO) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:31 pm

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In post 346, juckter wrote:I'm really sorry for my inactivity these past few days. Lots of stuff has been happening in real life. I'll be here at deadline so I'll hammer if necessary.


Doctor, you may be getting replacements confused. I didn't see where ilhom said he would hammer. I did see this if that's what you meant? That would be Drixx not Bulba though.
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Post Post #687 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:18 am

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How exactly is my wagon opportunistic?
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Post Post #688 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:09 am

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DP and anen are town.

Bulba is most likely town, as is CD.

Scum is in the last 3. (tbh I think its more likely scum is voting me)
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Post Post #689 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:19 am

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In all honesty I think yu guys let Drixx's rage get to you but what's done is done.

@DP- He's the last scum and as far as I can tell a newbie, so that would pretty much be his approach to this game as scum

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Post Post #690 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:19 am

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Re: radmann
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Post Post #691 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:45 am

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In post 688, notscience wrote:DP and anen are town.

Bulba is most likely town, as is CD.

Scum is in the last 3. (tbh I think its more likely scum is voting me)


Why? That very last bit just reads scummy. "Of course the scum is targeting me because I'm obviously not scum."
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Post Post #692 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:49 am

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where did drix go?
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Post Post #693 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:57 am

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To sleep. I already said what I have to say. One person in the game has a town read from me. Scum could literally be anyone else.

I am; however, amused by how everyone who was voting for LQ yesterday is absolutely sure that his partner has to be among the ones who weren't voting for LQ.

I'm also greatly amused by the outright dismissal of my logic and the assumption that theirs has to be correct. Either line of thinking could be the correct one, and there's no objective information available to decide between the two. It's simply that the people on the wagon don't want to be in the suspect pool.

As I said yesterday, LQ outed himself as scum super early and had I been his partner I'd have been on his wagon and driving it. Sometimes getting rid of a liability increases the chances of winning more than extending the game reduces them.
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Post Post #694 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:01 pm

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In post 693, Drixx wrote:
It's simply that the people on the wagon don't want to be in the suspect pool.


Consider the implications of what you're saying here, Drixx, and ask yourself if you really believe that to be true - because from my point of view, that statement is both patently false and ludicrous.
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Post Post #695 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:09 pm

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I think competent scum would have at least tried to start a counter wagon. If i can recall, we had a player people also thought was scum (me), a possible Lq Partner (JTC) and numerous lurkers who could have been made easy counter wagons for LQ yet non had happened
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Post Post #696 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:12 pm

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There's no objective reason to prefer one line of reasoning over the other. That means that people are choosing how to sort subjectively. I believe it's more likely that LQs partner is on his wagon just because of how obviously scum that LQ was. Assuming that the remaining scum was on the wagon, they have a series of fairly easy mislynches in front of them, wouldn't you think?
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Post Post #697 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:29 pm

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I don't agree with you. I also don't agree that LQ was so obviously scum. You had the benefit of having the flip when you did you read through
We didn't. I read through under nearly the same conditions (minus the flip), and I would not say it was obvious. I was a good lynch, yes, but not obvious
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Post Post #698 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:52 pm

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In post 697, Cthulhu Dreaming wrote:I don't agree with you. I also don't agree that LQ was so obviously scum. You had the benefit of having the flip when you did you read through
We didn't. I read through under nearly the same conditions (minus the flip), and I would not say it was obvious. I was a good lynch, yes, but not obvious


This. Drixx wasnt here Day 1. There was uncertainty of LQ scum. In fact people thought he was a deadline lynch
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Post Post #699 (ISO) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:54 pm

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He keeps saying he would have done this if he were scum

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