MINI 1688 — BEES!!! — game over

[Bicephalous Bob]

VOTE: gc

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[Bicephalous Bob]

Why is your vote currently residing on the towniest player?

[Bicephalous Bob]

Because she voted obvtown.

Why is Bella the towniest player?

The way she talked about glork's naked vote was nice.

[Bicephalous Bob]

the wordy people are alright

VOTE: UT

[Bicephalous Bob]

Remind me to say something about TTH after her next post.

Bob 2 feels formulaic.

The case on shadox is the only case on a supernew player that isn't boring. I'd feel more comfortable lynching an experienced player today, though.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Somehow, Frogger's comments are bad (Post 89)

Why are you saying "somehow" when her reason for thinking the comments were bad are clearly stated in the post you linked?

[Bicephalous Bob]

Is this going to be "let's take little potshots at TTH because Bella is my houseplant"? I'm telling you right now, I'm going to fucking hate your guts if you play that game.

No, this is "let's chastize and maybe hang TTH for wording a case in such a way I can hardly believe she believes it herself."

Do you have any reads on pre-2015 players?

[Bicephalous Bob]

Is this going to be "let's take little potshots at TTH because Bella is my houseplant"? I'm telling you right now, I'm going to fucking hate your guts if you play that game.

No, this is "let's chastize and maybe hang TTH for wording a case in such a way I can hardly believe she believes it herself."

Do you have any reads on pre-2015 players?

Yes, I think you're scum. Bring it.

Come on, vote her.
Then we can hear more from Bob about how we're picking on the poor newbies.

stop letting antihero play on your account

or at least tell him that you're scum

and what I do say TTH jumps on immediately, labelling it with bad-sounding words and utilising it to scumpaint me.

Yep, I'm just a dumb bitch pushing something stupid. Meanwhile, the Shadox wagon under the "fencesitting" banner or voting under the guise of "let's lynch an 'experienced' player" is so absurdly beautiful and grand and well-founded.

your case would've been more attractive if you'd mentioned that I said that the wordy people are alright before calling all wordy cases on new players boring

people dig that kind of contrast

[Bicephalous Bob]

X|

Remind me to say something about TTH after her next post.

Bob 2 feels formulaic.

The case on shadox is the only case on a supernew player that isn't boring.

I'd feel more comfortable lynching an experienced player today, though.

the case on shadox wasn't wordy

you'll have to do better than that to discredit my case on me

[Bicephalous Bob]

I made a convoluted jab at your case by suggesting another technically correct but terribly soulless reason to scumread me

then you posted a quote without any context

I interpreted it as being a response to

before calling all wordy cases on new players boring

apparently, I was mistaken

I hope that helps!

[Bicephalous Bob]

Do you have any reads?

[Bicephalous Bob]

Maybe I'm not engaged because I'm town again and town is boring and what is being mafia like?? IDK do I. Sigh.

you must have been scum on chatmafia, right?

[Bicephalous Bob]

I have tried summing up my thoughts earlier today, but I immediately disliked what I'd written so I deleted it

it started with a glork vote and the word "gut"

then it said something about tth's newb talk in combination with the "I have too little townreads" apathy being genuine

I think the post also contained "I'm starting to townread UT" at some point but ugh

shadox's post is alright, although I would've sworn he'd crawl deeper into his shell in reaction to the wagon as either alignment

I'd like to lynch glork but he's being reasonable so I don't think that's going to happen

also,

I'm going to be v/la until monday

I'll be around tomorrow to reluctantly jump on a wagon

[Bicephalous Bob]

I'd like to lynch glork but he's being reasonable so I don't think that's going to happen

woah woah woah woah woah woah

you don't get to just pull a nut out of your pants then put it back in

lay your shit on the table if you're going to start in on things like that

it's still just gut, and I'm starting to disagree with my read already

UNVOTE:

lala, why are you voting UT?

[Bicephalous Bob]

UT, what's your read on glork?

[Bicephalous Bob]

VOTE: glork

newbie scum are gonna try to reduce suspicion on their possible D1 lynch candidate scum buddies

uh

generally, newb scum under great suspicion don't call only slightly less suspected newb scum postcard townies without any reservations

and do you really claim to believe that shadox looked at the votecount, saw himself on L-3, his buddy lala on L-1, and his other buddy bella with two votes on her and went to himself, "convincing people that bella is town through reason is my number one priority at the moment and I'm sure people will believe me because of my position as an universally trusted player. also, the fact that I know my buddy to be scum will help me write a seemingly unfiltered town case on her that'll surely not bring both of us down"? do you?

PEDIT WAIT READING SHADOXX SHIT.

Oh man the "give me until Day 2 to get reads" is baaaaaaad, but the rest of the post is actually not that terrible.

That said, your defense of Bella is awful, espeically this (emphasis mine):

Your playing

very similar to

a player in my last game, Glitch, who not only was VT, but also

provided posts with lots of detail

and criticism of all players, rather than focussing on one player (what I call tunnel-visioning, which I can do a lot of the time, something I’m trying to rectify).

I see one post where Bella kinda sorta goes into detail about things, but most of the rest of it... does not fit that description even a tiny little bit. Can you elaborate on this, Shadoxx?

No, this is not good. This is a strained angle. The case on Shadoxx is fundamentally weak by itself ("Give me until Day 2 to get reads" is not bad at all, not from a newbie), but then peddling this Bella-Shadoxx theory is just an extra layer of

BLECH

.
You

might

argue that Shadoxx is sucking up to Bella, but trying to sell this as a scumbuddy defense is just no good.

how did you figure this was a scumbuddy defense? I mean, it's nice that glork went along with it, but to me it just reads like asking for elaboration on a curious read

[Bicephalous Bob]

Two things here.
1) I'd really like to know where you got the idea that I ever thought Lala was scum, because you're literally fabricating an argument based on made up information.

that was a brain fart, but it's not all that relevant to my argument

generally, newb scum under great suspicion don't call only slightly less suspected newb scum postcard townies without any reservations

and do you really claim to believe that shadox looked at the votecount, saw himself on L-3

, his buddy lala on L-1,

and his other buddy bella with two votes on her and went to himself, "convincing people that bella is town through reason is my number one priority at the moment and I'm sure people will believe me because of my position as an universally trusted player. also, the fact that I know my buddy to be scum will help me write a seemingly unfiltered town case on her that'll surely not bring both of us down"? do you?

do you?

2) I was speaking in hypotheticals but obviously that went over your head.

pretend that I'm 3 years old

what was the assumption you made and what would hypothetically be the conclusion?

What I'm interested in is Shadoxx's thought process and reasoning. I want to know if he mindlessly argued for Bella being town without actually reading and analyzing her posts, or if there was some decision making process that I'm missing. I still expect an answer from Shadoxx but we are rapidly running out of time today.

if he's town, he clearly has a warped view of what constitutes scum and town behavior because of a small sample size of scum and town play

he saw something that was familiar and jumped on it, which is probably what most people do in some way or another, regardless of skill

but the real question is: how does it imply a bella/shadox team? from my experience, scum's lazy town reads are slightly more likely to be on town than on scum, although I'd never bet anything on it

looking at shadox's specific case, hoever, it really doesn't seem to be filtered like pressured scum-on-scum reads usually are

[Bicephalous Bob]

I somehow missed glork's wall and vote on me before making my last post

I'll try to address it soon

In the mean time, glork, can you address my post starting from "pretend that I'm 3 years old"?

[Bicephalous Bob]

The "do you?" part was more fun to write though, I'm kinda disappointed you went full Thor on it

[Bicephalous Bob]

Spoiler: yay walls

Now let's take a look at what BiBob does in response.

I don't know if this was in response to my catch-up posts or before them, because he said "earlier today," but my posts were less than two hours before BiBob's, so I'm going to omit this until I can get more context here.

it wasn't in response to anything in particular

Mea culpa on the hypothetical, I can see how that wouldn't carry over because all I did was start that line of thougth with "if you're going to say X, I'll respond with Y." Obivously TTH said X, so I can see how my response could be taken the way BiBob took it. Even then....

yes, you used a literary device that implies you believed something and then when asked about it you said "dude that comment was about an alternate reality where I believe things I don't actually believe it's all flying over your head"

So, let's break this down.

We know that BiBob had a pre-existing suspicion of me for ~reasons~ that remain unexplained. So he starts responding to my response to TTH, which came after his initial post that he suspected me, meaning that he's not actually providing context or explanation of any of that so-called gut read. He's just going with what was recently talked about.

yes, until then I'd called you scummy but reasonable

I never tried to hide that I was piggybacking on TTH's reasons

BiBob asks if I claim that Shadoxx looked at the vote count and made his argument. No, I don't claim that, I never did, and I never will. I don't profess to know what Shadoxx was thinking. I never implied that I thought he did this with full knowledge/context of the vote count, and I have no idea why you're including this in your argument. It reeks of wordsmithing to try to reinforce his own argument.

I'm not asking if you claimed that you looked at the vc. I'm saying that at some point or another, shadox must've looked at the vc and then he'd never done this:

newbie scum are gonna try to reduce suspicion on their possible D1 lynch candidate scum buddies

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He also asks if, in his reading of the vote count, he saw "himself at L-3, his buddy lala on L-1, and his other buddy with two votes." Like I said, I thought I made it very clear that I felt Lala was town, given that I hated the wagon and I hated that Bella/Shadoxx (two of my suspects) were on that wagon. Yet somehow BiBob manages to argue that I was claiming some kind of idiotic clusterfuck of scumbussing, which I DON'T think happened, and I NEVER claimed was the case.

I wasn't arguing that, I was arguing that scum shadox wouldn't defend scum bella in the way he did. see above.

THEEEEEEEN BiBob asserts that I claimed Shadoxx's thought process was "My #1 priority is making Bella look town." I absolutely NEVER claimed that either. Just because I noticed that argument doesn't mean I thought it was his #1 priority. Assuming he's scum near lynch, his #1 priority is probably not-getting-lynched, and while I specifically called out the Bella defense, it was but one point in an entire player-by-player analysis he made. And yet SOMEHOW BiBob managed to turn "Glork noticed this argumetn and asked about it" into "Glork is claiming that this is the MAIN THING SHADOXX CARED ABOUT" which is complete and utter horse shit.

I was employing hyperbole but that clearly went over your head

my point was that trying to convince people of town bella through reason wouldn't be a priority of scum shadox at all

[Bicephalous Bob]

I haven't watched the game closely after I died, but I don't think anyone got riled up because of this game or suspected you because you weren't right about everything. There were just quite a few little things off about you.

Everyone except for TTH chickened out on you after your replacement speech, though.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Oh come on BiBob you were one of the ones to call Glork's replace out sketch in the dead thread.

I said that I couldn't help but feel that glork's replacement speech was a bit below the belt

you call that getting riled up?