Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 1 Mafia(game over!)

[PeregrineV]

So who else is scum with me?
I'm interested.

2622.

Although might be rethinking Narn.

And now thinking Suzune.

[Thor665]

What made it worth pushing him as scum where, prior to that, you were simply pressuring him?

I've thought RIP was scummy for a while now:

Spoiler: a couple examples

ISO'd Zabing slot aka Riabi and I think that Riabi would also be a decent lynch. Mostly for tunneling Senator but also because he used to be Zabing. He often sits on the sidelines and dodges around questions and doesn't really answer/give an opinion.

So yeah, in order of who I want to lynch at this point: RIP, very closely followed by Kling, and then Riabi.

Vote: KlingonCelt

Jumping to the top of my scum list, you've been on both town lynches and at the moment I'm townreading Sinsun.

RIP has slid a little bit down my scum list (switching places with Kling basically) because he's starting to remind me of a player back "home."

Channel has climbed up my scum list a little bit.

For me, this whole situation is even more incentive to lynch him.

None of that actually resembles reasoning - so basically you're pushing on a gut read to "pressure" him and then are like "oh yeah, but I always found him scummy".
Meh.
I find you just as questionable at this stage.
Let's lynch CDB.

I am for the lynch.

I'm also greedy and want the full scum Monty.

Or as close as possible to it by the time day ends.

I don't want to have to deal with another full day of this.
Vote CDB now.

[Narninian]

I am fine with both wagons right now.

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote Count 4.07- Up to post 2927

RIP[7]: Riabi, Sinsun1, KlingonCelt, davesaz, Nero Cain, Titus, LittleGumball

[L-1]

ChannelDelibird[3]: Thor665, displaced, Narninian
KlingonCelt[2]: Suzune, RIP
Not Voting(3): Channel Delibird, ArcAngel9, PeregrineV

Mod Notes: Seeking replacement for ArcAngel9.

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

Day ends Wednseday, July 8th, 11 PM USA Mountain Time or when a lynch occurs

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[PeregrineV]

I saw he's VC then.
But I'm at -1 and want to make sure. Also will prevent any scum of voting cuz they didn't read or know I was -1.
I don't wanna die that's all.

Pretty sure you've been at L-1 for many pages. Being the (potentially) awesome (conditional) town tracker you are, it's surprising you haven't been hammered by scum already.

Maybe they are all on your wagon instead? That makes you very lucky, right?

[PeregrineV]

@Thor- sounds good

Vote: CDB

I'm

motivated

to find

scum

, but the

doctor

has been doing a shit job, and I think the "

tracker

" is also

scum

, and if he doesn't get lynched, he'll probably be

roleblocked

anyway. It would be nice if I could just

tree stump

myself like that one game, (but I waited too long). Oh well.

[Sinsun1]

At this point, the ONLY chance RIP is town is if ALL the scum are voting him which I find hard to believe. So therefore I believe him to be scum 100% at this point, not a single doubt in my mind about that. We've been back and forth on him for a while, but he's run out of luck this time.

I would not be surprised if Suzune is scum now after recent events. Plus process of elimination. There will be some scum on RIP to bus him now that he's played terribly. That, I have no doubt.

Today we lynch RIP, tomorrow CDB and from there hopefully we have more concrete reads on those protecting the two.

[Thor665]

Pretty sure you've been at L-1 for many pages. Being the (potentially) awesome (conditional) town tracker you are, it's surprising you haven't been hammered by scum already.

If I was scum and he was town I wouldn't - would you?

At this point, the ONLY chance RIP is town is if ALL the scum are voting him which I find hard to believe. So therefore I believe him to be scum 100% at this point, not a single doubt in my mind about that.

Again - if I was scum, I would not speed hammer him for lulz if he was town - would you if you were scum and not voting him?

Today we lynch RIP, tomorrow CDB and from there hopefully we have more concrete reads on those protecting the two.

So how about we lynch CDB today and Rip tomorrow then? If we're lining up lynches let's go with CDB first, I'm down to at least support you on that.
Frankly, if you think hey're both potential scum I would think that CDB havingg 4 separate counterwagons pushing to avoid his lynch would be more off-putting to you than Rip, no?

[Klingoncelt]

Thor, the CDB lynch is for information. The RIP lynch is because he's acting super scummy.

We can try to lynch CDB yet again tomorrow.

[davesaz]

Thor, it would hardly be a quick hammer at this point. Why do you think scum would fear the hammer if RIP is town?

[davesaz]

@Thor- sounds good

Vote: CDB

I'm motivated to find scum, but the doctor has been doing a shit job, and I think the "tracker" is also scum, and if he doesn't get lynched, he'll probably be roleblocked anyway. It would be nice if I could just tree stump myself like that one game, (but I waited too long). Oh well.

<removed color tags, I use dark skin and the text was hard to read>

Interesting choice of words. A couple of them make me want to hit the wiki. Care to fill us in on which game you're referring to?

[Suzune]

Thank you for FINALLY coming up with an explanation for your statement. Originally my vote was to pressure you into an explanation for said lie but at this point I really do want to lynch you.
sozzles friend

So you're saying you like his explanation but want to lynch him anyway?
What are you doing?

I never said I liked it. I still think it's an awful move.

But do you believe it? You got the answer you wanted what verdict do you draw?

[Nero Cain]

it is based on the presumption he would openly admit he was lying as scum

I am voting RIP since I don't find his claim that believable and he is ad homming me like a good little scum.

The question then becomes "do you think that is something he does as scum (assuredly yes) but not as town (I have heard no one discuss this even though it is at the crux of painitng him as a quality lynch)

I think he's plenty capable of playing like this as either alignment so how should we tell the difference?

The problem I have is believing there could be town who would think acting like that to attract scum to their lynch wouldn't also result in town wanting to lynch them.

TBF, I HAVE seen town do this before and its one of my least favorite things about this site.

[Nero Cain]

I am ok with lynching anyone NOT in the following list of names

3. davesaz
5. Narninian
7.displaced
8. Riabi
12. Titus
16. Thor665
18. Nero Cain
20. Suzune

this is still pretty acurate and how I feel about the gamestate.

[Nero Cain]

Also Thor, if RIP is scum do you think his "clear" on CBD says anything about him?

[LittleGumball]

Thank you for FINALLY coming up with an explanation for your statement. Originally my vote was to pressure you into an explanation for said lie but at this point I really do want to lynch you.
sozzles friend

So you're saying you like his explanation but want to lynch him anyway?
What are you doing?

I never said I liked it. I still think it's an awful move.

But do you believe it? You got the answer you wanted what verdict do you draw?

Is my statement "I want to lynch you" not enough for you?

I want to lynch him because I believe he is scum. I thought he was scum before and I think he is scum now. All that happened was he moved up my priority list when he didn't explain what he meant by "I lied" (presumably until his scumbuds could tell him how to attempt to fix the situation. That's part of the reason why I think his explanation is BS, if he had come up with a reason in a timely manner then it wouldn't look like he had to get help in a scumchat). You can't say "I lied" and then not expand on that and then get mad and insult/accuse everyone who votes for you and expect people to go "oh wait he claimed, that must make him town =^)" and unvote.

[Thor665]

Thor, the CDB lynch is for information. The RIP lynch is because he's acting super scummy.

I rather disagree with you on that. I think the RIP case is an annoyance based one, and I'm fine with that - and I even think there is some scum flavor there, but hardly a giant wall as compared to CDB.

Do me a favor - go check CDB's activity on site, then in this game, and then get back to me and tell me he's not being scummy and is just an 'info lynch'.

I'll wait.

Thor, it would hardly be a quick hammer at this point. Why do you think scum would fear the hammer if RIP is town?

I'm not saying they would or wouldn't fear the hammer - I'm saying if I was scum I wouldn't do it if he was town (I'd certainly do it if he was scum and my buddy though, barring a useful PR) and I'm questioning the people who are claiming that because he's not hammered he *is* scum.

Anyone saying that is making the case - they need to back it up.
Do you disagree?

I am voting RIP since I don't find his claim that believable and he is ad homming me like a good little scum.

Eh - I will admit I skimmed that conversation like a beast, but he's shown omgus and ad hom throught the game as I recall. Dunno why you think that's his scum only play.

think he's plenty capable of playing like this as either alignment so how should we tell the difference?

I don't think we can tell the difference - it's why I don't like the people pushing the case with that as a reason. If I can't tell the difference I'm pretty sure they can't either, so why are they pissing on my leg and claiming it's rain?
Conversely people are being very honest and clear about their reasons for lynching CDB, those reasons are not forced, and though people are complaining they are not enough, I like the honesty of the wagon more, and also like how difficult it has been as a value call far more than the "he's not hammered yet!" crowd...which even if they think that's a thing, theoretically should apply to CDB too - so why aren't they applying it? It's weird to me.

C'mon Nero, let's give him a day to get a result and reassess - I really want this CDB lynch.
Do you think CDB is town?
Like - in any way at all?

Also Thor, if RIP is scum do you think his "clear" on CBD says anything about him?

I must have missed the claimed 'clear' but considering what he's currently claiming it was a lie that he never intended to back up, so it's basically just stupid play regardless of his alignment, yeah?
I don't really draw any conclusions from it in thinking about it, nor does it change my desire to see CDB dead - should I or should it?

I want to lynch him because I believe he is scum. I thought he was scum before and I think he is scum now. All that happened was he moved up my priority list when he didn't explain what he meant by "I lied" (presumably until his scumbuds could tell him how to attempt to fix the situation. That's part of the reason why I think his explanation is BS, if he had come up with a reason in a timely manner then it wouldn't look like he had to get help in a scumchat). You can't say "I lied" and then not expand on that and then get mad and insult/accuse everyone who votes for you and expect people to go "oh wait he claimed, that must make him town =^)" and unvote.

You're arguing he's derp scum, getting daytalk advice from scumbuddies, yet still going off reservation with the stuff he's been saying thus far?
If I'd been his bud he would have had serious walking papers after that Day 3/4 nonsense yesterday - I'm not seeing this. The concept of your scum case for him is starting to require a lot of weird attached things from your point of a few hours ago of 'gut and I was pressuring him'.

[davesaz]

The daytalk observation is an interesting one, though I'd suggest a possible alternative discussion of "you really stepped in it, we should bus you while you keep it up." Unfortunately that possibility degenerates to a heap of WIFOM in nothing flat.

[Klingoncelt]

Thor,

It is now 12:07am est Tuesday. The Day ends at 1 am est Thursday. Do you really think that you can get everyone to switch to CDB in 49 hours?

RIP was at L-1 for fuck's sake.

Let's take out Sum RIP today and infolynch CDB tomorrow.

[Klingoncelt]

Let's take out *Scum* RIP.

[Thor665]

@KlingonCelt - I will agree that this game seems massively averse to the idea of lynching CDB, yes.

I don't think you're selling me like you think you're selling me.
I've also claimed to have some town vibes off RIP -so you're *really* not selling me the way you seem to think you're selling me.

[Thor665]

Though currently CDB is at L-4.

I *do* think 4 votes in 49 hours should be pretty freakin' doable.

[Thor665]

KlingonCelt[2]: Suzune, RIP

As frontrunners for "our votes are useless" we have these guys.
Also we have AA and CDB, if either of them ever comes back to the game.

[Thor665]

So, if CDB shows up, you should get your lynch - but I'll assuredly get RIP, meaning I only need 3 other votes.
If you move I only need 2.
I also think I half have Suzune, seeing as how she is also supporting a wagon RIP is on - so maybe I only need one if you move.

Wanna move?

[RIP]

At this point, the ONLY chance RIP is town is if ALL the scum are voting him which I find hard to believe. So therefore I believe him to be scum 100% at this point, not a single doubt in my mind about that. We've been back and forth on him for a while, but he's run out of luck this time.

I would not be surprised if Suzune is scum now after recent events. Plus process of elimination. There will be some scum on RIP to bus him now that he's played terribly. That, I have no doubt.

Today we lynch RIP, tomorrow CDB and from there hopefully we have more concrete reads on those protecting the two.

Why wouldn't a we do it backwards? Why are u afraid I get a tRack?