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Bulbazoor Mafia Scum
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Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they're scum. Woody seems to understand that. I'm not sure if boon does, given a couple of the things he's said. His current Woody fos just looks like him fossing Woody for disagreeing... which is honestly just stupid. This post gives the same impression.
I have ardently townread my biggest detractors for the way that they have disagreed with me. I'm honestly not sure if Boon is looking for intent in Woody's posts or if he's just blindly decided that it's him vs Woody.
This entire thing is kind of turning into us vs them (namely, those on the mario wagon refusing to find any common ground with those off it).-
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GrayFoxxxx Mafia Scum
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In post 500, Bulbazoor wrote:I like how he decided to call two of the people that scumread him confusing. If we scumread you, we have an opinion that can be discredited. You are not helping me do much with my read.
Should I care about your read? What is it exactly?-
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I think one of my biggest pet peeves is this, though...
Boon wrote:I think your NE case is fine. I don't think the mario case should be immune to criticism, just not defended to hell. Like god damn. be open fucking minded, people.
People disagree with you. They are allowed to do that. That does not make them closed minded. People are allowed to review the evidence and come to a different conclusion than you from reviewing the same evidence. If people have strong opinions they will defend those opinions strongly.-
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In post 505, dragonspawn wrote:In post 272, Bulbazoor wrote:I am not trying to frame anyone.
Did some one day otherwise?
Did you really just ask him that?
go read post 271 and I think you will find the answer to your own question.
and people accuse me of not reading?Hey, keep your eyes up top ok? Don't look down here you pervert.-
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In post 503, GrayFoxxxx wrote:In post 500, Bulbazoor wrote:I like how he decided to call two of the people that scumread him confusing. If we scumread you, we have an opinion that can be discredited. You are not helping me do much with my read.
Should I care about your read? What is it exactly?
Shazam scum.-
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In post 507, Bulbazoor wrote:wrote
So we all think each other is scum? What's your point? And what do you mean I'm not helping you with it?-
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Bulbazoor [1]:GrayFoxxxx
FA_Q2 [1]:pisskop
implosion [3]:dragonspawn/FA_Q2/TheDominator37
Necessary Evil [1]:implosion
Shazam [2]:Bulbazoor/WoodyWoodpecker
pisskop [1]:Kublai Khan
TheDominator37< MarioManiac4[1]:/Shazam
WoodyWoodpecker [2]:StubbsKVM/Boonskiies
Necessary EvilAbstaining [1]:
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Looking for a replacement for Necessary Evil, but probably already have someone.
In post 407, StubbsKVM wrote:did he now?
I did!
In post 258, pisskop wrote:This game's boring and slow-going.
In post 411, WoodyWoodpecker wrote:This game is boring (no offense mod)
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Boonskiies That's Not All, Folks!
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In post 511, Kublai Khan wrote:At what point are you all going to realize that scum doesn't generally work that hard on Day 1?
one of the towniest people in this game. He isn't posting all to much, and yet, he still says this. No way he is scum. I like how people just 'forgot' they scum read Khan too."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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In post 501, implosion wrote:Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they're scum. Woody seems to understand that. I'm not sure if boon does, given a couple of the things he's said. His current Woody fos just looks like him fossing Woody for disagreeing... which is honestly just stupid. This post gives the same impression.
I have ardently townread my biggest detractors for the way that they have disagreed with me. I'm honestly not sure if Boon is looking for intent in Woody's posts or if he's just blindly decided that it's him vs Woody.
This entire thing is kind of turning into us vs them (namely, those on the mario wagon refusing to find any common ground with those off it).
I think this is an important post.
It's true and very important that disagreement =/= scummy. But I don't think Woody understands that. I disagreed with him on the basis that he doesn't even know how to make an argument for what he thinks, and that made me scummier in his eyes. But I agree that boon DOESN'T seem to understand that, along with many of the other players who have been distracted from Mario/Dominator.
Us vs them is sorta happening, except that I don't believe that I have refused to find any common ground. I haven't found any common ground, but not because I'm simply refusing. It's because Bulb and Woody have not been using logic and reason. Rather, they have been misreading, misinterpreting, and using extremely poor debate form to cover up the fact that they haven't really made a case at all. If someone made a real case about someone other than Dominator or me, I might find myself agreeing with it. Now if YOU want me to show that Bulb and Woody have been doing this, I suppose I would oblige, painful as it is. I haven't proved it yet, because I don't feel like giving a lecture on debate tactics to people who just want me lynched anyway.-
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WoodyWoodpecker Mafia Scum
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ok so since this is the hot topic, I wanted to see why exactly people were voting for mario and what they said later to add to the fire.
Vote 1 - NE
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Vote 2 - Bulbazor
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Vote 3: Boon
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Vote 4: Shazam
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5th vote FaQ
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So after looking at the reasons why people are voting mario, boon's reaction to people speaking out against a mario lynch really makes no sense. Only 1 person had a "legitimate" reason for voting mario. I put legitimate in quotes because imo the reason wasn't actually legitimate at all.
Shazam's entire basis of attacking mario was based off what I interpret as a blatant misrep so I am good with my vote. I have also moved NE up the scum list a little, nothing about his push on mario felt genuine.
p.edit - see that is another example of a manipulative post. Shazam has to be scum because no way town is this manipulativeHey, keep your eyes up top ok? Don't look down here you pervert.-
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WoodyWoodpecker Mafia Scum
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In post 514, Shazam wrote:Bulb and Woody have not been using logic and reason.
I actually have been.Hey, keep your eyes up top ok? Don't look down here you pervert.-
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In post 514, Shazam wrote:they haven't really made a case at all
you do realize that a player isn't actually obliged to make a case right?Hey, keep your eyes up top ok? Don't look down here you pervert.-
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In post 513, Boonskiies wrote:In post 511, Kublai Khan wrote:At what point are you all going to realize that scum doesn't generally work that hard on Day 1?
one of the towniest people in this game. He isn't posting all to much, and yet, he still says this. No way he is scum. I like how people just 'forgot' they scum read Khan too.
I'm willing to call this a minor towntell but I can absolutely see scum-khan posting this.
Shazam wrote:Can I just point out that Dominator's post rate has dropped significantly since fewer people have been voting him? Could it be more painfully obvious that he is more interested in self-preservation than finding scum?
I have done this as town before. I've had countless town games where I needed the motivation of a fire under my feet to get me going later in the day.
And Woody's been pretty damn logical imo.-
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In post 516, WoodyWoodpecker wrote:
Vote 4: Shazam
shazam votes mario after a discussion the two had. On the surface shazam looks to have valid reasoning but if you read the discussion shazam clearly distorts what mario is trying to say. post 79 mario says - town should grill their own scum reads instead of focusing on 1 player. post 81 shazam distorts that and says "so you say town gains info by focusing on 1 player but you want us to do something else" but NOWHERE in post 79 does mario say town gains info from focusing on 1 player. That is a blatant misrep in my opinion and his vote is just a continuation. It shows manipulation from shazam.
In post 249 he tries to explain why he's scum reading mario but it is very clumsy. The way I read it, he basically is still harping on the "focusing on 1 person" thing. Shazam is trying to argue that mario should actually be for people focusing on 1 person because it will ultimately give us info that the person is town or something. Again I don't really understand his logic and anyone who says they agree with him
Shazam claims he is also the most vocal person against mario, but his entire case is based on either a misunderstanding OR a misrep. I'm leaning towards misrep.
Shazam's entire basis of attacking mario was based off what I interpret as a blatant misrep so I am good with my vote. I have also moved NE up the scum list a little, nothing about his push on mario felt genuine.
p.edit - see that is another example of a manipulative post. Shazam has to be scum because no way town is this manipulative
Post 81 used the word "admitted". I have already explained at least once why he was admitting that town gained information by doing what he didn't want them to do. He claimed that we would know scum were ok with the lynch. That would be information. He did not have to actually say those words to admit that. My vote is very clearly not just a continuation of this point, as I have very clearly explained already at least twice. My reason for voting him would hold whether he was right or wrong. I will not be going over any of the above again in this game.
RE: post 249
The way you read it is to me, and should be to everyone, irrelevant. You manage, however, to miss the second part of post 249, which clearly explains away every point that you are trying to make. Of course you don't understand my logic. If you think that my vote had to do with whether he was right or wrong about what we should all be doing, you haven't been paying attention.
Even if you thought I misrepresented him to achieve my goals, why can't you see that he attempted to change the context of the conversation, waffled, and then left the game because of what I was saying? Don't you think that this kind of caving under pressure is scummier than misrepresentation (since you can't determine for sure if it was intentional)? Again, I didn't misrepresent him, but seriously....
Please explain how a post of mine was manipulative. Since the goal of this game is to persuade others to do things (for both town and mafia) I'm really not sure what you mean.-
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In post 515, Shazam wrote:Can I just point out that Dominator's post rate has dropped significantly since fewer people have been voting him? Could it be more painfully obvious that he is more interested in self-preservation than finding scum?
this post is manipulative because you are implying that the only reason why his post rate has dropped is due to less people voting him and ignoring or not even considering other things like real life stuff.Hey, keep your eyes up top ok? Don't look down here you pervert.
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