Micro 502: MafiaScum Upick [Endgame]

[Yimmy]

VOTE: Bulbazoor
For also having a bulbasaur avatar

[Yimmy]

How are you confirmed town?

[Yimmy]

Either way, I find it strange you would out yourself with your first post

[Yimmy]

The later the game, the more useful confirmed town is. Mafia will obviously kill conftown as soon as possible. Just seems like logic to me.

[Yimmy]

Because I've played with you so many times

[Yimmy]

Is flavor claiming a good idea in this setup?

Please don't. Thank you

Why?

[Yimmy]

I would assume your opposite would be like a digimon fan or something
Anyway, to get the game going
VOTE: Varsoon

[Yimmy]

So does anybody have any (not joke) reads? Admittedly, I don't really, but we seriously need some discussion

[Yimmy]

*I don't really have any reads

[Yimmy]

I'm actually still happy with my Sala vote.
I don't know why this game grinded to a halt, but I have been sleeping during the heavy traffic hours and staying awake during the slow times, so maybe that's part of my perceived slowdown.

Why did it become serious?

[Yimmy]

I thought I gave reasons earlier, Sala.
And hey man you voted me first!

I'd give more reasons but reasons are assailable and easy to fabricate, and I don't wanna come up with a lot of rubbish to justify a lynch I just know is right, y'know?

What are the reasons you already gave?

Vinkah? Hello?

even though you're doing it wrong, you're probably Town too.

This post gives me the chills. Why bash other town if you're town? Shouldn't you want to encourage or exhort town to be more town? Just putting them down doesn't help anyone but... well, anti-town.

VOTE: Vinkah

"you're doing it wrong" is nowhere NEAR bashing. I mean, if that's bashing, what isn't?

tonally it was antagonistic. voting me, and then 24 hours later with the hello? post. how i read it.
as far as what does an eye for an eye type post do? was hoping to prompt discussion. you ask "shouldn't i respond"? what exactly is the proper response to "Vinkah? Hello?" is it hi? how are you doing? how's the weather? honestly?

I'd like to think the normal response to a "Hello?!?!?! You there?!?!?!" post (which is how I read it), is "Yes?" or "What's up? Questions? Did I miss something?" Not "You suck at being town."

P-edit: No the two posts of yours before that. You posted that right before I posted mine.

@Vinkah How in the world is that antagonistic? "Are you gonna ignore me" never implies you're the bad guy.
@neil once again "you're doing it wrong" is far from "you suck at town"

going with your response, in a game that is moving this dreadfully slow, what does that gain? besides more apathy?

I don't know... Maybe a question they wanted to ask?

okay.

i saw an obvious pressure vote with attempt to spark something with an obvious pressure follow up with an attempt to start something for what it was. instead of playing passive, i decided to get a little aggressive with bulbazoor and hopefully spark something in return.

By bashing him and telling him he sucks at town... right.

He still never did either of those

VOTE: lucky2u

Confess

Why is everyone ignoring Lucky?

Also, I'm going to go drink a few pints of guiness, do a few shots of fireball and eat some potatoes or something. I'll be back later.

Why are these 5 minutes apart?

People are ignoring me because I'm town and they don't need to pay attention to me.

Seriously let me get to work here. *pours self 3 glasses of wine*

VOTE: Varsoon

This is scum. You're welcome.

That part... "people are ignoring me because I'm town"... You can't just assume everyone knows that, especially considering you've done nothing to back it up.

I meant if you have prior expierence with Nacho where you can actually get a feel for him.
I cant. The guy always gives me the chills.
Also, that is a cool nickname

Thanks for telling me, please come again

I can read Nacho!

He's

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Spoiler: Nacho's alignment

Town!

Why?
One last question to neil... I've noticed you don't see any town motivation, butndo you see any scum motivation in vinkahs posts?
UNVOTE: Varsoon
VOTE: neil1113

[Yimmy]

Vinkah? Hello?

even though you're doing it wrong, you're probably Town too.

This post gives me the chills. Why bash other town if you're town? Shouldn't you want to encourage or exhort town to be more town? Just putting them down doesn't help anyone but... well, anti-town.

VOTE: Vinkah

"you're doing it wrong" is nowhere NEAR bashing. I mean, if that's bashing, what isn't?

Perhaps bashing was too strong of a word, I admit. But it's definitely not encouraging. And saying "you're doing it wrong" is implying that you're NOT doing a good job of town, which even if you don't want to admit it, is the same thing as saying you're sucking at town right now. Yes, there may be a little more harshness implemented by my assumption, but never-the-less it's not difficult to see. I'm not sure why you'd have a hard time seeing that?

Doing one specific thing wrong doesn't mean that you suck as town overall.

tonally it was antagonistic. voting me, and then 24 hours later with the hello? post. how i read it.
as far as what does an eye for an eye type post do? was hoping to prompt discussion. you ask "shouldn't i respond"? what exactly is the proper response to "Vinkah? Hello?" is it hi? how are you doing? how's the weather? honestly?

I'd like to think the normal response to a "Hello?!?!?! You there?!?!?!" post (which is how I read it), is "Yes?" or "What's up? Questions? Did I miss something?" Not "You suck at being town."

P-edit: No the two posts of yours before that. You posted that right before I posted mine.

@Vinkah How in the world is that antagonistic? "Are you gonna ignore me" never implies you're the bad guy.
@neil once again "you're doing it wrong" is far from "you suck at town"

As read above, again, I would definitely disagree. It may not be as harshly as stated, but it's definitely not "far from it." It appears you're the one stretching now to try and dissolve a case unnecessarily. Using words like "far from it" makes it appear like my stretch was way out there, when in reality, it's very easy to come that conclusion, albeit exaggerated or not.

One last question to neil... I've noticed you don't see any town motivation, butndo you see any scum motivation in vinkahs posts?
UNVOTE: Varsoon
VOTE: neil1113

Curious as to why you feel it necessary to follow up with a vote, or why you think I'm where your vote is best served?

I decided to vote for the person I found the most scummy.

As for your question, I'll choose not to answer it for right now for reasons I'm not comfortable going into at the moment.

going with the good ol' bold my replies

[Yimmy]

oh?

or, you could just like Bulbazoor respond instead of the white knight. he had, to me at least, an empty vote and was trying to draw a response with #80. it was a little antagonistic, so i decided to respond in kind. don't really know where i was going to go ~exactly~. but hey, thanks.

This post heavily implies it was about the attempt at pressure (or if that's not what it was, simply the vote)

Just to be clear, when Vinkah flips scum, you've pretty much all but outed yourself as his teammate.

When? Why when? Are you really that confident that something that you

don't see town motivation for

is a 100% scumtell?

[Yimmy]

Ow

[Yimmy]

Ow

My sister hacked onto my account (I left it logged in, a mistake I won't make again) and posted that

[Yimmy]

Mod: In post 124 I changed my vote to neil.

Yes, that's been noted in the past two vote counts.

Spoiler:

[1] neil1113 ~ Bulbazoor

~KittyMod

[Yimmy]

Yes, that's been noted in the past two vote counts.

Spoiler:

[1] neil1113 ~ Bulbazoor

~KittyMod

Too bad I'm Yimmy, not bulbazoor.

Too many bulbasaurs. Fixed now I think.

[Yimmy]

What a great quickhammer, very subtle. Why do you want night wo badly?

[Yimmy]

Sala died varsoon confscum
Still wanna lynch neil
VOTE: neil1333

[Yimmy]

I'm kinda liking Bulba for scum right now. everything feels really off about him. The whole re:thing lucky and how he's trying to tell me that he thought lucky was town, but still not explaining why he liked lucky in the PT. I mean he confirms day-talk (if he really does have a PT).

You say everything feels off about about him but then mention one thing. Is there anything else?

riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Do you think my read is illegitimate or what?

Sala died varsoon confscum
Still wanna lynch neil
VOTE: neil1333

Wait, what?

First line was a joke, hoped that'd be obvious, and... I still think you're scummy!

Also, I don't like this idea at all. Why would we ever assume anything the asy-patient says is legitimate or truthful and not... well, insane? In fact, unless anyone has anything better to go on:

VOTE: Malakittens

What is this idea? Why the mala vote?

Tag fix -KittyMod

[Yimmy]

As stated in my last post, that varsoon thing was a joke. You could read through the first day to see why, it's not that long.

[Yimmy]

Tammy I'm townreading you guys because I think you took my #1 pick and I'm not really sure I see that pick as getting scum. Also the fact you said you know the amount of scum isn't something that scum would out in the thread. as for your posting vibes I'm not really picking up on your usual obv town vibes, but I remember our skype chats during WTPII and I can see how that affecting your game a bit (maybe, idk). Saying about how your tone has been changing etc.

I don't understand... like at all
I don't understand this a

who kept saying d1 somethingspmething mala confirmed town?

im really lazy right now.

Well, since neil outed my crumb, I, as asylum patient said "Mala obv IC" or something like that, and like half the players assumed I was the mod

one of varsoon or bulba is scum. don't knwo which atm.

Do you have any reasoning for either?

[Yimmy]

Hey yimmy, you put us in a dangerous situation because mala could have been scum...

I find it extremely unlikely someone would lie about being conftown

[Yimmy]

She said she was conftown in 7 and then after that in the asylum I said "Mala is obv IC"

[Yimmy]

V/LA until the 17th. Family vacation so it's somewhat likely I'll have internet access

[Yimmy]

She said she was conftown in 7 and then after that in the asylum I said "Mala is obv IC"

Was Mala being serious in post 7?

I had no evidence at the time but a quick ISO of her makes that very clear later on

[Yimmy]

She said she was conftown in 7 and then after that in the asylum I said "Mala is obv IC"

Was Mala being serious in post 7?

I had no evidence at the time but a quick ISO of her makes that very clear later on

I'm asking your opinion on it, do you believe Mala was being serious or not? And I made a point earlier, as town, what's the motivation to keep playing the IC card when you know you're not? As Scum, there are reasons 'a plenty to do it, but I'm struggling as town why it would benefit us to be deceitful?

I'm asking you on purpose by the way, I want your opinion.

Yes, I do believe Mala is serious.
There is no motivation to lie about being an IC at all. And yes, as scum there is. As an IC she can mod confirm herself somehow,, and the later she does that, the less likely mafia are to kill her. I mean, after this whole discussion, if Mala lives I would be super surprised

[Yimmy]

Well it's a scummer Upick. So I think at least two people are going to figure out who I am off my opening post. Then the joke shall make sense. xD

But I'm still confirmed town so!

This post came after that!

[Yimmy]

But I'm still confirmed town so!

Let me make this more clear for you

[Yimmy]

Yeah

[Yimmy]

Can't quote on 3ds
Mala, you let Asylum Patient assume you where IC.
Neil, there's a difference between OMGUS and what Mala did. OMGUS is "I'm voting you cause you voted me". Mala is saying "I'm voting you because you voted me for a crappy reason".
Varsoon, actually add something to the game that is actually content

[Yimmy]

"I've defended everything I've done and proven everything I've said" ...This is a game of mafia, you know. Most of the game is opinion on what's scummy, not fact.

Bulba's reaction was ridiculous, though.

What in the world makes neil town in that post? All I see is a pile of lies.

[Yimmy]

Mala and everyone else changed their opinion after that post. Why single out Varsoon?

[Yimmy]

I am Shos. I am the asylum patient and a gladiator (can challenge a player and only me or them may be lynched). I was planning on using it on neil today, but then he died
Why are we massclaiming on mylo? The mafia will know who to kill now.

[Yimmy]

If town they would help roll scum? What?

[Yimmy]

Why not share your not exactly solid reads?
And please reitirate your vinkah town read?

[Yimmy]

Mala: scum didn't do much D1 and a lot of her logic was flawed.
Imperium: null . Didn't actually contribute much at all until prodded, and then contributed a bunch.
Bulbazoor: leaning scum Has contributed alot, but seemed oblivious to his blatant tunnel vision against neil and vinkah. Also huge overreaction to scum reads, and a random jump from vinkah to varsoon as obvscum.
Varsoon: null Awfully hard to read with 90% fluff
Vinkah: leaning town Was one of the few to not immediately assume asylum patient was mod. Reaction to pressure was reasonable
Also: I did just iso everyone right now to get these reads.

[Yimmy]

Yes, and I've seen it at least five times now
It simply looks like lucky is picking favorites.

[Yimmy]

Well, Mala, you didn't do much in the posts you did make

[Yimmy]

Well, Mala, you didn't do much in the posts you did make

no fucking shit man

i didnt even have wifi. I was on 1g the whole time i was away. i was basically reading when i could >.>

IIRC I had no way to be aware of this.

no lynch is obv the play for today and i think that is letting everyone unbuckle a little.

yimmy, can you describe why you feel there is a difference between mala's D1 posts and everyone else's that didn't post that much? feels like your pikcing.

There where other people that didn't post much?

[Yimmy]

Mala 's logic was crap through D2. Imperium didn't have crap for logic And crap logic combined with fluff is worse than simply fluff IMO.
You said you where V/LA a thousand times, You maybe said you had no internet access... Once? And quite frankly I don't remember every line from every post.

[Yimmy]

Yes, and I've seen it at least five times now
It simply looks like lucky is picking favorites.

Who would say this at a blatant soft?

Considering no one else believed it, I don't think it was blatant.

[Yimmy]

No matter what, scum's going to kill off the people that can help them win.
Right now, town has more voting power.
The only thing we get from another day is less options for lynch and a night action,
which may be worth it, but, eh, I don't see us being in any better position.
VOTE: No Lynch

I can't figure out anything this game. Yimmy and Bulba strike me as really scummy and Imperium is also bothering me a lot. I find myself constantly second-guessing my town-lean on mala, too.
So, /shrugs.
Sorry I suck.

So you literally say no lynch is a bad idea and then vote no lynch?
VOTE: Varsoon

[Yimmy]

Reasoning? @Varsoon

[Yimmy]

What motivation would I have to say Mala was an IC as scum? I would've assumed she would have stated that she is not an IC... Speaking of which, Mala, why didn't you do that earlier?

[Yimmy]

Hi guys, I'm mister should've been prodded about 2 hours ago!
I guess Varsoon is our best bet?

[Yimmy]

Wait a second... How does confirming your role isn't a lie confirm you're town?

[Yimmy]

Oh yay an actually right scumread
I couldn'tnget anyone to follow me and then moved on but eh that's totally for sure defenitely all the way you guys fault because i am top notch 100% good mafia player

[Yimmy]

Also, neil, I will forever make fun of your attack on mala with her V/LA to hide her scummy lurkiness. The V/LA started before she got the role pm, even!