Micro 502: MafiaScum Upick [Endgame]

[Bulbazoor]

I also have a scumlean on neil. But I want to see how the game evolves first.

[Varsoon]

Oh, mostly meta, gut, and wanting to sort out Sala's intentions.

[Bulbazoor]

Sala is confusing.

[Lucky2u]

I thought I gave reasons earlier, Sala.
And hey man you voted me first!

I'd give more reasons but reasons are assailable and easy to fabricate, and I don't wanna come up with a lot of rubbish to justify a lynch I just know is right, y'know?

You're voting me because I didn't include a case and yet you have said that you yourself don't need reasons because reasons are easy to fabricate and have already stated whatever my case is

Told ya, man.
Now wait for Lucky to fabricate some reasons.

It will be a fabrication.

We can trust you though because

Oh, mostly meta, gut, and wanting to sort out Sala's intentions.

Your meta and gut read is so much better?

[Salamence20]

Oh, mostly meta, gut, and wanting to sort out Sala's intentions.

Im playing as the love of my life and shes too nice for me.

Thanks for asking

Please tell me why its scummy

[neil1113]

Vinkah? Hello?

even though you're doing it wrong, you're probably Town too.

This post gives me the chills. Why bash other town if you're town? Shouldn't you want to encourage or exhort town to be more town? Just putting them down doesn't help anyone but... well, anti-town.

VOTE: Vinkah

"you're doing it wrong" is nowhere NEAR bashing. I mean, if that's bashing, what isn't?

Perhaps bashing was too strong of a word, I admit. But it's definitely not encouraging. And saying "you're doing it wrong" is implying that you're NOT doing a good job of town, which even if you don't want to admit it, is the same thing as saying you're sucking at town right now. Yes, there may be a little more harshness implemented by my assumption, but never-the-less it's not difficult to see. I'm not sure why you'd have a hard time seeing that?

tonally it was antagonistic. voting me, and then 24 hours later with the hello? post. how i read it.
as far as what does an eye for an eye type post do? was hoping to prompt discussion. you ask "shouldn't i respond"? what exactly is the proper response to "Vinkah? Hello?" is it hi? how are you doing? how's the weather? honestly?

I'd like to think the normal response to a "Hello?!?!?! You there?!?!?!" post (which is how I read it), is "Yes?" or "What's up? Questions? Did I miss something?" Not "You suck at being town."

P-edit: No the two posts of yours before that. You posted that right before I posted mine.

@Vinkah How in the world is that antagonistic? "Are you gonna ignore me" never implies you're the bad guy.
@neil once again "you're doing it wrong" is far from "you suck at town"

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As read above, again, I would definitely disagree. It may not be as harshly as stated, but it's definitely not "far from it." It appears you're the one stretching now to try and dissolve a case unnecessarily. Using words like "far from it" makes it appear like my stretch was way out there, when in reality, it's very easy to come that conclusion, albeit exaggerated or not.

One last question to neil... I've noticed you don't see any town motivation, butndo you see any scum motivation in vinkahs posts?
UNVOTE: Varsoon
VOTE: neil1113

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Curious as to why you feel it necessary to follow up with a vote, or why you think I'm where your vote is best served?

As for your question, I'll choose not to answer it for right now for reasons I'm not comfortable going into at the moment.

I also have a scumlean on neil. But I want to see how the game evolves first.

I'd love to hear? This kinda exemplifies to very idea of sheeping for lack of case / contribution. Why hide in plain sight? Why not actually contribute? If not to my case, to the game at all?

I thought I gave reasons earlier, Sala.
And hey man you voted me first!

I'd give more reasons but reasons are assailable and easy to fabricate, and I don't wanna come up with a lot of rubbish to justify a lynch I just know is right, y'know?

You're voting me because I didn't include a case and yet you have said that you yourself don't need reasons because reasons are easy to fabricate and have already stated whatever my case is

Told ya, man.
Now wait for Lucky to fabricate some reasons.

It will be a fabrication.

We can trust you though because

Oh, mostly meta, gut, and wanting to sort out Sala's intentions.

Your meta and gut read is so much better?

While I agree with what you're saying and the push you're making, I think Varsoon is the wrong person to aim your efforts at right now. However strong your point may have been, I don't see a Varsoon push helping serve the town at all right now, other than confusion.

[Bulbazoor]

I do not know if Vinkah has a post restriction or something but I am about to make a case on him:
He starts off by channeling his character in post 30 and casts the RVS vote.

He proceeds at 40,44, and 46 to question the mod after it clearly states that the IC is confirmed. Confirmed being the key word in that statement. He unvotes yimmy shortly afterwards for a " good line of thinking".

I would assume your opposite would be like a digimon fan or something
Anyway, to get the game going
VOTE: Varsoon

As we can see, that was the last thing yimmy posted before vinkah stated this. Or did he mean the line where yimmy asked the IC why they outed? That is actually not a good line of thinking because you could easily have clicked the voice link to figure that out. It was already public information.

The next few posts after that are a vote at sala and attacking me for being antagonistic with my vote. How is casting a vote to get reactions antagonistic? It helps town to get an idea of what you may be. He questions later on without giving reasons for any of his motives.

okay.

i saw an obvious pressure vote with attempt to spark something with an obvious pressure follow up with an attempt to start something for what it was. instead of playing passive, i decided to get a little aggressive with bulbazoor and hopefully spark something in return.

This post that follows talks about me and how he expects something in return. Tell me vink, why do you not explain any of your own motives for doing the things you do. Can you give us a list of reads or just something helpful in general. Not just " varsoon you disappoint"?

seriously?
you're overblowing a very subtle push. you're questioning my read on the tonal aspect of how i'm reading bulbazoor's posts but yet using tonal arguments against me?
fuck that.

Quote where you ever say how you read my posts. I see you think I am town, but back up reads on others too.

[Yimmy]

Vinkah? Hello?

even though you're doing it wrong, you're probably Town too.

This post gives me the chills. Why bash other town if you're town? Shouldn't you want to encourage or exhort town to be more town? Just putting them down doesn't help anyone but... well, anti-town.

VOTE: Vinkah

"you're doing it wrong" is nowhere NEAR bashing. I mean, if that's bashing, what isn't?

Perhaps bashing was too strong of a word, I admit. But it's definitely not encouraging. And saying "you're doing it wrong" is implying that you're NOT doing a good job of town, which even if you don't want to admit it, is the same thing as saying you're sucking at town right now. Yes, there may be a little more harshness implemented by my assumption, but never-the-less it's not difficult to see. I'm not sure why you'd have a hard time seeing that?

Doing one specific thing wrong doesn't mean that you suck as town overall.

tonally it was antagonistic. voting me, and then 24 hours later with the hello? post. how i read it.
as far as what does an eye for an eye type post do? was hoping to prompt discussion. you ask "shouldn't i respond"? what exactly is the proper response to "Vinkah? Hello?" is it hi? how are you doing? how's the weather? honestly?

I'd like to think the normal response to a "Hello?!?!?! You there?!?!?!" post (which is how I read it), is "Yes?" or "What's up? Questions? Did I miss something?" Not "You suck at being town."

P-edit: No the two posts of yours before that. You posted that right before I posted mine.

@Vinkah How in the world is that antagonistic? "Are you gonna ignore me" never implies you're the bad guy.
@neil once again "you're doing it wrong" is far from "you suck at town"

As read above, again, I would definitely disagree. It may not be as harshly as stated, but it's definitely not "far from it." It appears you're the one stretching now to try and dissolve a case unnecessarily. Using words like "far from it" makes it appear like my stretch was way out there, when in reality, it's very easy to come that conclusion, albeit exaggerated or not.

One last question to neil... I've noticed you don't see any town motivation, butndo you see any scum motivation in vinkahs posts?
UNVOTE: Varsoon
VOTE: neil1113

Curious as to why you feel it necessary to follow up with a vote, or why you think I'm where your vote is best served?

I decided to vote for the person I found the most scummy.

As for your question, I'll choose not to answer it for right now for reasons I'm not comfortable going into at the moment.

going with the good ol' bold my replies

[Vinkah]

He proceeds at 40,44, and 46 to question the mod after it clearly states that the IC is confirmed. Confirmed being the key word in that statement. He unvotes yimmy shortly afterwards for a " good line of thinking".

please point out where KittyMo, the mod, has said that Mala is mod confirmed as an IC. the only place where it was stated was in the public thread under a different account. me being skeptical of a non-mod saying that Mala is an IC is scum motivation how? please explain. or maybe you missed it:

lol yall are hilarious
aw man my wincon was for you to not figure out i was the mod
no but seriously im not the mod

As we can see, that was the last thing yimmy posted before vinkah stated this. Or did he mean the line where yimmy asked the IC why they outed? That is actually not a good line of thinking because you could easily have clicked the voice link to figure that out. It was already public information.

yimmy is probably Town due to the confusion/timing of the posts between the two threads. i don't see Scum genuinely reacting like that.

VOTE: imp

I hate my life right now this is going to be such a bitch mobile!

But at least im confirmed town, so yay me!!

How are you confirmed town?

I'll let you figure that out before I actually tell you!

Mala is obv innocent child

Either way, I find it strange you would out yourself with your first post

tht timestamps are what's key here, to me at least.

Quote where you ever say how you read my posts. I see you think I am town, but back up reads on others too.

i don't even understand this part.

[Vinkah]

bulbazoor, do you think neil and i are crossbussing, or what?

[Bulbazoor]

I think one of you is scum.

[Malakittens]

<.<

[neil1113]

Yimmy, nowhere did Vinkah mention one specific thing that Bulbs did that he found a "bad town move"... it seems more apparent to me based on the information we have available, to draw the conclusion that Vinkah was talking about Bulbs playing style, not a specific play he made. Again you're stretching here to try and push a case, which almost seems to be a "too scummy to be scum" type of move. It's almost clear deflection from Vinkah. It's quite obvious that Vinkah called the way Bulb was playing town bad, not any specific thing yet you'd try and have us believe otherwise. Which makes no sense as town why you'd try to purposefully deflect a solid case by making up flaws that don't exist and using it as a reason to create a "counter-wagon"?

Just to be clear, when Vinkah flips scum, you've pretty much all but outed yourself as his teammate.

[KittyMo]

[2] Lucky2u ~ Imperium, Varsoon
[2] Vinkah ~ neil1113, Bulbazoor
[1] Varsoon ~ Lucky2u
[1] Bulbazoor ~ Malakittens
[1] neil1113 ~ Yimmy
[1] Salamence20 ~ Vinkah

[1]

Not Voting

~ Salamence20

With

9

alive, it's

5

to lynch!

Deadline is at (expired on 2015-08-04 11:00:00)

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You hear a voice...

[Bulbazoor]

Is flavor claiming a good idea in this setup?

Would scum be stupid enough to ask this? I think so, but given the fact that this player is luckytwou, I doubt it. So, why are you votinng her. The only reasonable argument I see is " too scummy to be scum". So, in fact, I will not be lynching lucky.

[Varsoon]

I've seen plenty of setups where scum have resisted flavor claims.
The fact that you think that's a town-tell is awkward.

[Bulbazoor]

Well, consider this a warning. Scum would not just come out unless they were stupid. Unless it is a stupid scum.

[Varsoon]

I think that's a common fallacy;
Scum wouldn't do X
Scum would do Y

It's hindering, because players can do pretty much anything. In fact, by setting up these mental blockades for yourself, you'll only let scum get away with doing X while you're too busy looking for players who are doing Y.

[Bulbazoor]

I have reasons for doing this. We should lynch neil.

[Bulbazoor]

Or anyone else.

[Malakittens]

Ya I don't exactly understand where the Vinkah scum teads are coming from soooo

[Varsoon]

I think they're just kinda pushes for the sake of pushes? I don't know.
Lucky's a good vote to make, though.

[Lucky2u]

I'd really appreciate it if the arguments for alignment either way weren't based on how stupid I was...

[Yimmy]

oh?

or, you could just like Bulbazoor respond instead of the white knight. he had, to me at least, an empty vote and was trying to draw a response with #80. it was a little antagonistic, so i decided to respond in kind. don't really know where i was going to go ~exactly~. but hey, thanks.

This post heavily implies it was about the attempt at pressure (or if that's not what it was, simply the vote)

Just to be clear, when Vinkah flips scum, you've pretty much all but outed yourself as his teammate.

When? Why when? Are you really that confident that something that you

don't see town motivation for

is a 100% scumtell?

[Yimmy]

Ow