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Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:30 pm

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Post Post #21 (isolation #1) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:20 am

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Vote: GrayFoxxxx


In post 19, Espeonage wrote:I am the cop, doc on me. Discuss.

As the creator and the brain behind the setup CD9*, I will tell you that you just lowered the town's expected win rate by approximately 9.7% with that post.

What does that exactly mean?

Well, if you had just straight up
dayvigged the town doctor instead
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Post Post #22 (isolation #2) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:21 am

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For those that haven't done so yet, please place a random vote.

Thank you.
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Post Post #26 (isolation #3) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:05 am

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In post 23, Flubbernugget wrote:Make me

I was hoping to use DGB's scumputer in this game to find scum.

It needs VCs to feed it though, so I'd really appreciate it if you voted.


In post 24, Runner wrote:VOTE: Bulbazoor

I'm not sure Espeonage was serious - I thought flippant comments like that were the norm in RVS?

Yeah, he's probably just kidding.
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Post Post #29 (isolation #4) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:44 pm

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well, the answer is probably something approaching 100,000 times, but why does reliability of the stats matter to you?

In fact, why did the stat mattered to you in the first place? What if I had made up the numbers? How would the numbers even matter?

Also, esp claimed cop, not doc. As much as his move was subpar, "free kills" is something that is specifically countered by his opening.
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Post Post #38 (isolation #5) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:19 am

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DGB and I worked out a new version of scumputer. It's quite experimental.

Optimal play for town is to scumhunt as normal and hope that their cop don't randomly claim page 1.
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Post Post #61 (isolation #6) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:46 pm

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In post 36, Runner wrote:You created this setup - did you have this in mind as the optimal town play when you created it?

I do have an interesting course of action we could take as town, but it requires coordination, and frankly, I don't know if it will really help town.

I will talk about this in greater detail maybe halfway through day 1.
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Post Post #62 (isolation #7) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:58 pm

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I want to see more of Gray and Jasmine. (as do everyone I'd imagine)

I also want to see more of Esp. His style here is much different than what I remember of his game few years ago. (andrius's hobbit mafia)
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Post Post #88 (isolation #8) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:40 am

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Heh.

Yuriko's FG vote was telegraphed for awhile, and Gray's current posting rate around the site gives him credibility in his excuse. Their catchup posts are where I expected them to be at.

BBT's FG vote is fairly questionable though. I would expect scum_BBT to gun for me early in the game, and the way he makes sure support is there (his interaction with Yuriko) before jumping wagons is scum-indicative. (from my experience, town BBT does not concern himself with such trivialities)

Also, pressure votes on someone who is already active are waste of votes, which is why those on Runner wagon are throwing their votes away.

I'm not really a fan of Esp when he's advocating things like "put him at L-1 and see what happens". Baiting town VI hammer is something scum do.
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Post Post #89 (isolation #9) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:50 am

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In post 82, Runner wrote:FG's plan

I will just say it now. I'm interested in what town has to say about it.

I propose that we
no lynch
today and tomorrow.

This will net us two cop investigations at a cost of one mislynch, since we open d3 with 2v5 with 2 cop investigations.

If we just lynch today, then we open d2 with 2v5 with 1 cop investigation.
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Post Post #91 (isolation #10) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:56 am

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Because scum BBT recognizes that I'm a threat to him.

No problem. Go double ISO Yuriko and BBT and search for fakegod. BBT has zero mentions until Yuriko votes FG.

Why is that dumb, exactly?
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Post Post #94 (isolation #11) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:00 am

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I think I liked old Esp better.

He brought good old no nonsense scum smackdown to the table.
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Post Post #125 (isolation #12) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:01 pm

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In post 95, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:So, instead of leaving you and just killing you at night he decides to attack you because...

You're right, I had zero mentions of you. I was interested in a Runner wagon and his responses make me think he could be town and now I'm interested in doing something else. I fail to see where I seek support for voting you.

It's dumb because it relies on the doc staying alive.

Nah. I read your past games. You are confident in your play. You would engage and play aggressively.

re: plan - You clearly didn't do the math. If you're going to make comments like that, can you please do the math first? Thanks.

In post 96, Flubbernugget wrote:FG so you seem to have believed the cop claim but are now proposing a no lynch for extra investigations?


Did you read my 26 where I say Esp's probably just kidding?

Because you obviously didn't read it.

In post 97, Espeonage wrote:This is categorically incorrect.

Pressure votes on inactive slots have never been, and never will be a good motivator. Pressure votes are only effective for getting differing content out of an active slot that is difficult to read either way.

Pressure votes on scum reads are also inherently scummy bc you are aiming to prove your read right to the rest of the game.

Inactives? There are no inactives in this game. Everyone's clearly here to some degree, reading.

Voting them will make them come defend themselves at the very least.

If you disagree with what I'm saying, that's fine, but don't expect to change my opinions.
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Post Post #126 (isolation #13) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:03 pm

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In post 110, Xayzeck wrote:Sounds kinda risky though, also we won't get any decent flips to help with reads/cop investigations

Assuming we don't lose PRs this would work pretty well I'm imagining, but I don't feel very confident that this'll workout well tbh

Especially since we're gonna NL, it'd be extra useful to have a cop investigation so that we can base D2 reads on something, instead of walking into D2 with scum killing obvtown or smth like that. I mean, looking at the numbers this seems like a pretty good plan, but thinking about playing through it doesn't sounds like a very good idea. I wouldn't like being blind until D3 yknow

Scum can't just kill obvtown. We have a doctor.

Numbers work out, yes.

In theory, this is a good plan, but I understand why someone might have concerns with a plan like that.
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Post Post #127 (isolation #14) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:05 pm

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In post 117, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 115, Xayzeck wrote:
BBT talk to me about that FG vote

I see FG spending most of his time talking about set up spec and not enough time scum hunting.

You should go read my games.

Last 4 out of 5 games or so of mine, I opened with setup spec. I was town in every single one.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #15) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:07 pm

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In post 115, Xayzeck wrote:FG talk to me about your vote and why it's still on Gray

It's a RVS vote.

Who do you think I should move it to? Maybe you can help me, because I don't really see anyone that I
obviously
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Post Post #129 (isolation #16) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:10 pm

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In post 122, Runner wrote:FakeGod do you still stand by your plan to want to NL both days? It has a few glaring holes in it which makes me suspect, but it feels weird that what seems like such a bad plan would come from a player such as yourself, let alone the creator of this setup.

You call it "such a bad plan", yet, I seriously doubt you actually went and did the math?

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Post Post #130 (isolation #17) » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:13 pm

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Off-topic comment/

In post 31, Xayzeck wrote:VOTE: fg

fg why are u so mean

Every player who has called me mean has flipped town as far as I remember.

I guess we'll see if it holds true in this game.
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Post Post #134 (isolation #18) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:37 am

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Do you consider yourself a good scumhunter, bulb?

Did you going post by post resulted finding scum in the past, bulb?
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Post Post #136 (isolation #19) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:46 am

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In post 132, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 127, FakeGod wrote:
Last 4 out of 5 games or so of mine, I opened with setup spec. I was town in every single one.

I don't care for meta.

Unfortunately for your case, my meta becomes relevant, and I will tell you why.

In the games past two years, I have opened with setup spec in nearly every single game that I was a non-PR, in lieu of scumhunting, whether I drew scum or town.

It shows that I almost always open with setup spec in favor of early scumhunting regardless of alignment, which destroys your argument of "FG is scum because he's doing setup spec, and not scumhunting".

It's just something I do as a player. I simply do not think early scumhunting is effective, while setup speculations do need to be brought up early in the game.

It's reflected in my playstle, my current, and past games.
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Post Post #140 (isolation #20) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:52 am

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Bulb, look at your ISO.

You vote for Yuriko in 108 asking for more pressure votes, then change your vote before Yuriko even addressed it, all while putting up defensive posts in reaction to Xay's vote.

I see a rather impulsive player who is careless with his vote, and quite concerned with his own survival.
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Post Post #145 (isolation #21) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:55 am

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In post 138, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I don't care if you did set-up spec 1,000 times as town and have not yet done it to date as scum.

You didn't read my post very thoroughly.

My point was that it was not alignment indicative since I do it as either alignment, but I see that any more posts addressed to you is going to be a waste of time.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #22) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:57 am

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In post 143, Bulbazoor wrote:It tells you that I am town. You just talk about your meta while you do not care for other meta cases.

It tells me exactly what I wrote.

Where are these "other meta cases" of which you speak?
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Post Post #150 (isolation #23) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:05 am

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In post 148, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:FG, what you wrote is ambiguous. It doesn't clarify whether you think he is bad town or scum.

Can you clarify please?

Why should I be thinking that he is a bad town, or scum, simply because he is an impulsive player?

It is not alignment indicative by any means.
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Post Post #152 (isolation #24) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:07 am

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To get a reaction? Isn't that obvious?

I don't know why you even bothered to write 151.
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Post Post #154 (isolation #25) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:10 am

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BBT, you say I'm not scumhunting, and perhaps I am not scumhunting in accordance of your own definition of the word.

I'm going to do things my way. This is how I find scum, and I don't really care if you think it's ineffective or scummy.

As for effectiveness, I don't think I need to remind you that I have only been endgamed once as town to this date.

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Post Post #161 (isolation #26) » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:44 am

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Runner, stop playing lazy, and do your own math.

Literally everything you posted in 156 can be answered by yourself, except the scumputer which I'm not allowed to divulge.
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Post Post #191 (isolation #27) » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:58 am

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I'm rather busy today. I may be busy tomorrow as well.

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Post Post #208 (isolation #28) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:57 am

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In post 205, YurikoJasmine wrote:I'm not having any strong reads (town or scum) so

vote: no lynch

It seems that in response to your posts drawing aggro, you are attempting to take advantage of the fact that there was a No Lynch action plan proposed earlier to defend yourself.

You have not once mentioned in this game your thoughts regarding the No Lynch action plan.
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Post Post #210 (isolation #29) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:17 am

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Post Post #213 (isolation #30) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:02 am

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In post 211, Bulbazoor wrote:FG, did you forget you proposed nl?

Oh, oops.

I completely forgot about that.
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Post Post #214 (isolation #31) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:10 am

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In post 204, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:but I'm much more weary of FG and would like to sort his slot out as soon as possible.

D'oh.

I'm starting to think that you might be being obtuse on purpose, so I'm going to lead you by the nose for a bit, and show my hand.

BBT, looking at my play so far, what do you believe my goal in d1 is,
given that the setup is CD9*
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Post Post #215 (isolation #32) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:13 am

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I gave you a ton of hints, in case you're wondering.
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Post Post #217 (isolation #33) » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:18 am

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Runner, it doesn't make any sense for me to provide you with numbers, because just as you (or someone) said, I could just damn well make up whatever numbers that look favorable.
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Post Post #230 (isolation #34) » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:40 am

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Yuriko, I asked for opinions on it pages ago.

Why choose to discuss it now? Is it just coincidence?

Because it seems super convenient for you to start talking about how you're open to No Lynch plan soon as you come under fire.
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Post Post #236 (isolation #35) » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:34 am

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People who haven't given their thoughts on the no lynch plan should give them.
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Post Post #259 (isolation #36) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:39 am

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BBT, do you generally lynch wild cards?
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Post Post #261 (isolation #37) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:34 am

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My usual strategy is to ask them to lead a lynch.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #38) » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:43 am

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Read Bulb ISO.

I admit that Bulb blatantly prioritizes self-survival, and I agree that self-survivalist play tend to come from scum.

But I feel that Bulb has been rather honest with his emotions in his posts. Maybe bit of that righteous anger you feel as town when you're being accused wrongly of being scum.
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Post Post #319 (isolation #39) » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:36 am

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Busy unpacking today.
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Post Post #329 (isolation #40) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:58 am

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I think Flub/Bulb are town.

Rest nullish. Runner maybe town.

Still like where my vote is. Still wishing esp of 3 years ago would join us.
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Post Post #381 (isolation #41) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:51 am

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In post 376, Espeonage wrote:I would happily stake many things on yuri being scum rn.

Your life?
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Post Post #383 (isolation #42) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:56 am

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Do you life-gamble in your games a lot, or is this something you normally do not do?
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Post Post #390 (isolation #43) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:40 am

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In post 386, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 329, FakeGod wrote:I think Flub/Bulb are town.

Rest nullish. Runner maybe town.

Share bulb and runner maybe?

Read my 267 for bulb.

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Post Post #391 (isolation #44) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:41 am

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Not really concerned too much about reading BBT d1, since he's most likely the nightkill target if he's town.
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Post Post #416 (isolation #45) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:05 pm

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In post 397, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 390, FakeGod wrote:
In post 386, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 329, FakeGod wrote:I think Flub/Bulb are town.

Rest nullish. Runner maybe town.

Share bulb and runner maybe?

Read my 267 for bulb.

re: Runner, I have nothing to say.

My bad, wasn't super awake when catching up.

Replace bulb with flub

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Post Post #439 (isolation #46) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:26 am

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In post 438, Espeonage wrote:I am willing to self vote if yuri flips town.

This statement should assay BBT's fears expressed in .

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Post Post #502 (isolation #47) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:56 am

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I'm waiting for Jingle to clarify who's alive and not, but it looks like he modslipped and confirmed Gray as Town.

It also looks like Bulb townsiipped.
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Post Post #503 (isolation #48) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:01 am

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re: Night Actions

Scum has no reason to forgo a night kill, so it's very likely that the doc made a save last night.

Also, given the way I played day 1, I wouldn't be surprised if I was targeted by all three, cop, doc, and the scum last night, which was what I was aiming for with my play.

Because when the PR targets synchronize in this setup, scum gets wrecked.
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Post Post #504 (isolation #49) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:04 am

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Bulb, please go read the setup again. Scum Goons have the ability to roleblock in this setup.

Esp lynch is almost certainly the play today.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #50) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:24 am

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In post 505, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 502, FakeGod wrote:
It also looks like Bulb townsiipped.

Huh?

Don't be daft.


In post 505, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 504, FakeGod wrote:
Esp lynch is almost certainly the play today.

Agreed. Why no vote?

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Post Post #509 (isolation #51) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:54 am

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He thinks because there is no roleblocker, scum cannot roleblock in this setup.

In post 487, Bulbazoor wrote:
In post 486, Flubbernugget wrote:We also don't know if cop was role blocked

Townslip? Theres two goons dude. Or did you fake this?

In post 491, Bulbazoor wrote:
In post 488, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 486, Flubbernugget wrote:We also don't know if cop was role blocked

Also a good point.

Forget what I said - outing Today is dumb.

Townslip? Or faked? Theres no rb.

In post 493, Bulbazoor wrote:THERE IS NO ROLEBLOCKER!!!
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Post Post #511 (isolation #52) » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:04 pm

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Post Post #522 (isolation #53) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:01 am

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In post 512, Runner wrote:I don't see why Esp is the obvious play today?

Weren't you here when he bet his life that Yuriko was scum?
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Post Post #523 (isolation #54) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:04 am

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Vote: Esp
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Post Post #531 (isolation #55) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:19 am

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In post 525, Espeonage wrote:Fakegod, what do you make of my claims on actions I would have performed as each power?

That's nice.

Please claim.

In post 530, Runner wrote:
In post 522, FakeGod wrote:
In post 512, Runner wrote:I don't see why Esp is the obvious play today?

Weren't you here when he bet his life that Yuriko was scum?


I believe he did that with town intentions. Why would scum Esp make a gambit like that Day 1, knowing there was a high chance he'd be quickly lynched the next day? It seems unlikely to me.

Ha.

He's either gambling scum, or a town player who has terrible reads but thinks he's better than he is.

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Post Post #534 (isolation #56) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:25 am

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In post 516, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Also, you know as well as I do that's easily fakeable FG.

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Post Post #536 (isolation #57) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:26 am

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d'oh
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Post Post #537 (isolation #58) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:28 am

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In post 532, Espeonage wrote:Oooooo, such pressure. There isn't even an expression of intent yet.

FG looking bad.

(In case of snap lynch, BBT is probably town, not assuredly, but probably. I think he's being daft on me, but then I saw being daft on yuri so I can't judge)

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Post Post #539 (isolation #59) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:31 am

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In post 533, Runner wrote:Well, it seems as though it doesn't matter since you all seem fixed on ending this day quickly with a Esp lynch. Whatever. I'm not hammering.

Players with your behavior allow scum to lead lynches on town and get townread for it.

Esp knew what the consequences were when he used his life as a collateral.

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Post Post #554 (isolation #60) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:14 am

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In post 438, Espeonage wrote:I am willing to self vote if yuri flips town. If this wasn't open and there was a cop innocent on yuri I'd still want to lynch her and just assume she is a godfather.

And now, we see Esp's true colors.

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Post Post #555 (isolation #61) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:20 am

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Espeonage I knew from three years ago was a good player.

He stayed cool and serious as the game progressed, and his reads were rather reliable.

He knew what was good for the town, and he played towards it.

I see a different Espeonage before me, and I'm rather disappointed what I see.

This Espeonage don't bother with scumhunting, and randomly wager his life on his inaccurate reads.

And when he's proven to be wrong, instead of showing forgiveness and humility, he goes back on his words on the flip of the coin and grasp at anything to avoid a lynch.

I hope that you drew scum this game, Esp.
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Post Post #577 (isolation #62) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:06 am

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Xay, hammer please.
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Post Post #579 (isolation #63) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:44 am

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Not really.

There's nothing defend-able about your play in this game.

Sure, some people are giving you the WIFOM "he's so scum that he must be town" pity reads, but shrug.

What's actually interesting is BBT being the strongest proponent of making sure you don't get away with life gamble on d1, only to flip and vote to let you get away with it on d2, but hey, that particular read flip works in your favor, so obviously you don't go around questioning it.
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Post Post #581 (isolation #64) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:47 am

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What you really mean is that your scum buddy BBT distanced the fuck away from your crazy gambit on d1, and then you convinced him in n1 to just go with it.

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Post Post #583 (isolation #65) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:24 am

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You mean setting up scum lynches.

By definition, I cannot be setting up MISlynches with what I said, because: (If you are town, then it should be immediately apparent to you that) your town flip puts an end to me using above associative tells to lynch BBT.
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Post Post #584 (isolation #66) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:47 am

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I want you to tell me what was going through your mind when you decided to life gamble.

Because if you're town, there will be two possible scenarios:

Either
A
- you were right, and town finds itself a scum lynch on d1.

OR

B
- You were wrong, and town mislynches on d1, and then mislynches you on d2, leaving town in LyLo on d3.


Life gambling is one of the
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You should have been utterly
DEVASTATED
by Yuriko town flip. You should have been absolutely crushed, and literally start begging for mercy and forgiveness first post d2.


I don't see any of that.

I don't see a shred of dignity, or even ounce of care of what you have done.

I see zero shame from you for leading a lynch on a town player using such an extreme method.


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Post Post #588 (isolation #67) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:28 am

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Sigh.

Unvote
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Post Post #589 (isolation #68) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:36 am

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Your play makes me sick, and old esp is dead.

Against better judgment, I'm going to gamble this game on you being town.
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Post Post #601 (isolation #69) » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:32 am

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Esp recent posting has the childish, "not-my-fault-we-lost" attitude topped with OMGUS-vengeance overtones.

It feels town.
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Post Post #602 (isolation #70) » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:33 am

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I want a BBT lynch.
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Post Post #603 (isolation #71) » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:34 am

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Game progression so far would make perfect sense with BBT being scum.
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Post Post #604 (isolation #72) » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:35 am

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I'm waiting on Esp to react to my reversal, and then I'm going to advance the game state.
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Post Post #605 (isolation #73) » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:38 am

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Town

Bulb
Runner
Flub
Xay
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Scum

In order.
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Post Post #607 (isolation #74) » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:39 am

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Thanks.

I claim cop.
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Post Post #609 (isolation #75) » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:41 am

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We wait for cc's first.
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Post Post #625 (isolation #76) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:34 am

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I have a guilty on BBT.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #77) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:36 am

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Oops, my bad.

I meant I investigated BBT, and I got no result.
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Post Post #629 (isolation #78) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:37 am

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In post 626, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Lies.

VOTE: FG

In post 627, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Oh, I see what's happening here.

UNVOTE:

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Post Post #632 (isolation #79) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:39 am

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Investigating you?

Didn't you said you and Xay were good targets?
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Post Post #634 (isolation #80) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:41 am

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I lied about that.

The blatant way I was softclaiming, I was a much better nightkill target.
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Post Post #635 (isolation #81) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:42 am

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In post 631, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You wanna explain that vote or are we just gonna lol and vote people?

I think you scumslipped.
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Post Post #636 (isolation #82) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:46 am

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eh, I guess town BBT might immediately accuse me of lying, too, I guess.
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Post Post #639 (isolation #83) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:14 am

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I have no result.

Runner, I am leaning town on you, and I would appreciate it if you posted your current reads.
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Post Post #642 (isolation #84) » Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:32 am

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Esp, your reads in this game were some of the worst reads I have seen in mafia games to this date, and your play was so far has been incredibly selfish and undoubtedly focused on helping scum win.

You don't get to tell me who were good nightkill targets.

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Post Post #647 (isolation #85) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:32 am

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In post 644, Xayzeck wrote:Busy yesterday, will read and post latur

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Post Post #653 (isolation #86) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:18 am

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In post 652, Xayzeck wrote:still waiting on the explained reads, FG

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Post Post #654 (isolation #87) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:20 am

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We lynch BBT today.

I think he's going to flip scum. If he does, then we lynch Xay for the win.

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Post Post #656 (isolation #88) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:24 am

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That's ok.

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Post Post #662 (isolation #89) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:27 am

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Unless there is a chance that I can convince you to self-vote, I don't think any discussion between me and you is going to be productive.
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Post Post #663 (isolation #90) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:29 am

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I'm stretched pretty thin on my patience, actually.

I'm considering giving a free mislynch to scum to silence Esp.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #91) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:43 am

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Nah, I shouldn't do that.

If I was playing anti-town like how Esp is playing, I'd have just faked a guilty on BBT and had it my way.
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Post Post #665 (isolation #92) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:46 am

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In post 658, Espeonage wrote:
Vote: Runner

This pretty much guarantees Runner as town though.

Esp said Yuriko was scum, but she was town.

Esp said FG was scum, but he was town.

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Post Post #666 (isolation #93) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:53 am

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Post 666. I'm going to reach out to BBT.

BBT, I promise I'll lynch Runner tomorrow if you agree to your lynch and you flip town.

You said I was scum, but I was not. It's only fair that you give me a chance to be wrong as well.

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Post Post #667 (isolation #94) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:55 am

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We could do it the other way around, where we lynch Runner first and if he flips town you self-vote.

But you might just run away like Esp did, so I don't know if I'd put stock in that.
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Post Post #668 (isolation #95) » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:59 am

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By the way, if it's the case where Esp was actually scum and you are town, please do realize that the resulting game loss is on you, since your read reversal saved Esp's life in early d2.
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Post Post #680 (isolation #96) » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:23 am

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Because I believe in justice?

Because I believe that when you wager your life, it should actually mean something?
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Post Post #681 (isolation #97) » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:24 am

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In post 677, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Your play has been appalling. You sheeped Esp onto Yuriko D1 and then tried to BLAME that lynch solely on Esp in an attempt to get him lynched.

And guess who stopped the lynch from going through?

Oh yeah. That's you.

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Post Post #682 (isolation #98) » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:29 am

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In post 678, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Xay, you should vote Runner.

FG, you should explain why you're town reading Runner.

Let's say I give an amazing defense of Runner. Would that somehow convince you to lynch yourself?

It would not. You'd move on to try lynching Flub or Bulb at best. Therefore, there's no reason for me to do so.
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Post Post #683 (isolation #99) » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:31 am

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In post 677, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 666, FakeGod wrote:
Unless you value your own survival over lynching your scumreads?

I do indeed value my own survival over anyone elses.

Prioritizing self-survival over getting your scumreads lynched is scum agenda.
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Post Post #684 (isolation #100) » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:36 am

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Also, why should I listen to you?

Because your reads are good? That's obviously not true, considering that you were calling me scum couple pages ago.

I rather lynch you over Runner, and I'm afraid we'll have to simply agree to disagree over that point.
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Post Post #685 (isolation #101) » Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:01 am

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Alright, BBT. I stepped away from the computer, and had a nice long sip of my favorite beverage.

I like to think I'm a flexible person, and I hate being wrong as much as the next guy, so I'm going to give you a chance to explain why you want the Runner lynch.

To be honest, I am only kinda leaning town on Runner. He's mostly null. I just think you're a much better lynch for today.

I want you to sell me your case as best you can, and I'm going to listen to it without bias. Ok?

This is probably the best deal you're getting from me, so give me your best shot.
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Post Post #691 (isolation #102) » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:06 am

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Sounds like Runner's getting lynched today.
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Post Post #693 (isolation #103) » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:30 am

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I hope he flips scum.
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Post Post #702 (isolation #104) » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:01 am

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Vote: BBT
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Post Post #704 (isolation #105) » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:14 am

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:facepalm:
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Post Post #706 (isolation #106) » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:19 am

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Post Post #719 (isolation #107) » Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:54 pm

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nah, BBT's wrong.

Runner is flipping town I believe.
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You use meta now?

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uh, don't let me scare you. I could be dead wrong. It's not like I have an inno on Runner or anything.
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Post Post #723 (isolation #110) » Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:21 pm

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BBT isn't very sure that Runner is scum either, if you've been paying attention.
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Post Post #727 (isolation #111) » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:08 am

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Post Post #733 (isolation #112) » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:43 am

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Post Post #739 (isolation #113) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:10 am

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Please.

Let's say I told you that I'm voting you because of "X". What would that accomplish?

You'd probably bring up the counterpoint "Y", or argue WIFOM.

Every point has a counterpoint, and every reason can be WIFOM'd.

There is no such thing as a perfect reason for a vote, and I rather not waste time arguing semantics with you.

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Post Post #741 (isolation #114) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:30 am

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I hate it when people explain their reads. It's incredibly foolish to think that their "reasons" somehow lead to better accuracy.

I can assure you that there is nothing you can say that will change my mind, short of a doc claim or runner flipping scum.

If I'm wrong, so be it. You were wrong on me prior to my claim. So that makes it even between us.
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Post Post #743 (isolation #115) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:35 am

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Did you see me complain when you misread me?

No. What's fair is fair.
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Post Post #745 (isolation #116) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:37 am

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And it was wrong.

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Post Post #747 (isolation #117) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:42 am

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Are you saying that there is some magical argument "X" that I could make that will make you go "OH MY GOD YOU ARE RIGHT I CONFESS I'M SCUM"?

Or alternatively, some magical argument "Z" that you could make that will make me go "WOW I'M WRONG YOU ARE 100% TOWN"?

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Post Post #749 (isolation #118) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:51 am

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I don't think you're understanding me.

Let's say I told you that I'm scumreading you because you reversed your read on Esp on d2.

Can you do that as town? Sure. There is nothing stopping you from doing so, and there are many reasons why a town BBT would do such a thing.

I can list reasons why I'm scumreading you, and I can also list tons and tons of reasons why every one of those points would be wrong.

Do you see why it would be pointless? I can make the same arguments you are going to make here, and I probably already did in my head.
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Post Post #751 (isolation #119) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:55 am

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By WIFOM, it doesn't.

Don't you see that there is absolutely no sensible argument I can make?
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Post Post #753 (isolation #120) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:57 am

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Because I choose to?

There is no argument I can possible make that will convince you, but I'm beyond-well convinced.
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Post Post #755 (isolation #121) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:59 am

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Good.

One less vote for Runner.
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Post Post #756 (isolation #122) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:22 am

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With somewhat less sarcasm, I don't see why you'd be "infuriated" about this.

Everyone else except Runner townreads you, so all you have to do is push Runner lynch through (trivial given the looming deadline), and have him flip scum to convince me.

You're angry that "I'm not giving you a chance to show me why I'm town."? That's bullshit.

There's nothing that Scum BBT wouldn't do that Town BBT would do in the "argument". Absolutely none. It would do nothing to elucidate your alignment, and it would be a giant waste of time.

I told you already that if Runner flips scum, I'll reconsider. Runner is today's lynch no matter which way you look at it. You obviously think he's flipping scum without a doubt.

Why would you even care what I think? All you have to do is nod your head and shrug, Runner flips scum, and go "See FG? I was right and you were wrong." and I would throw my hands up in defeat.
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Post Post #758 (isolation #123) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:50 am

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I think you should have cc'd the cop claim.

Get me lynched today, you get lynched tomorrow, and it leaves your buddy with 2 inactive town.

Expected scum win rate at that point is 66%.

Very good odds, I think.
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Post Post #765 (isolation #124) » Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:28 am

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Go read the game forwards, not backwards.
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Post Post #770 (isolation #125) » Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:28 pm

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I'm uncontested cop, btw.
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Post Post #772 (isolation #126) » Tue Aug 25, 2015 2:09 pm

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I told him I'm scumreading him. He asked why. I told him I'm not giving him a reason. He got frustrated.
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Post Post #773 (isolation #127) » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:28 am

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Post Post #774 (isolation #128) » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:28 am

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Give me a VC.
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Post Post #777 (isolation #129) » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:32 am

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I decided to give you the game.
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Post Post #788 (isolation #130) » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:10 am

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T S O you are the best
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Post Post #796 (isolation #131) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:14 am

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TSO, hurry up with your reading or just fake the rest.

Either way, I want you to make real comments before we end the day.
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Post Post #797 (isolation #132) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:17 am

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The plan is going to be lynching straight down BBT's scumreads.

If he's scum, we will lose and I will blame it on those lazy bums who gave him a lazy townread while I fought for his lynch.

If BBT is town but wrong on Esp who turns out to be scum, I will blame BBT for the loss for his d2 read reversal.
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Post Post #801 (isolation #133) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:52 am

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I don't really see this "apathy" thing you're talking about.

Did you even read the last couple pages of this game?
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Post Post #802 (isolation #134) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:54 am

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BBT's relaxed because I'm giving the game to him.

I thought it was pretty obvious why he was relaxed. I think I even stated it in a post somewhere.
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Post Post #805 (isolation #135) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:19 am

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Last 10 pages or so are mostly me trying to get BBT lynched. It literally went nowhere, and you'd know that if you were paying attention, Runner.

The moment BBT listed you as his choice for lynch (post 637), you should have realized that you were very likely to be the lynch for today.

Instead of panic mode, I see series of weak posts (638 thru 767, spanning 8 days or so) from your ISO. You only start to get desperate when I stopped trying to lynch BBT for lack of support.

You might as well have been afk during that time, in terms of effectiveness.

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Post Post #811 (isolation #136) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:28 pm

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I won't vote unless I need to emergency hammer, or TSO has made some kind of intelligent post.
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Post Post #813 (isolation #137) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:16 am

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It's pretty simple.

BBT lynch can't be achieved because people are townreading him.
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Post Post #814 (isolation #138) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:18 am

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Do you seriously believe that if I were to vote BBT right now, it's going to make a difference?

Unless people magically appear and reverse their townreads for no apparent reason, BBT lynch is not happening.
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Post Post #815 (isolation #139) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:18 am

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I'll show you.

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Post Post #816 (isolation #140) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:20 am

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Xay townreads BBT.
Flub townreads BBT.
Bulb townreads BBT.
BBT townreads BBT.

Where is your 4th vote, Runner?
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Post Post #817 (isolation #141) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:27 am

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In post 673, Xayzeck wrote:The only time I felt BBT could be scum was around end D1, but nothing since then, I'm not following on BBTscum

In post 689, Flubbernugget wrote:I still think bbt is town

In post 717, Bulbazoor wrote:BBt is playing to his town meta. I think. I hve to check him.
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Post Post #818 (isolation #142) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:30 am

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And there's no such thing as an "informative" lynch.

Please never use the term again.
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Post Post #819 (isolation #143) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:35 am

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It feels like you're only pushing BBT because BBT wants you lynched, Runner.

I don't really see you actively going for BBT lynch before BBT expressed you as his top scumread.

I've been toying with the idea that this is town vs town, and we need to be lynching Xay slot right now, but TSO has wholeheartedly refused to post anything of worthwhile so far.

Does that mean TSO replaced into a scum slot?

Perhaps, but it does mean that I don't want anyone hammering someone before TSO posts.

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Post Post #820 (isolation #144) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:36 am

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I know Esp is ok with TSO lynch.

If your name is not Runner, please post here whether you'd be ok with TSO lynch today.
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Post Post #821 (isolation #145) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:40 am

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Could be XaySO-Flub scum team.

They hardly interacted with each other in double ISO.
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Post Post #823 (isolation #146) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:30 am

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Damn it tso
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Post Post #824 (isolation #147) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:07 pm

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raise your hand if you're around
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Post Post #825 (isolation #148) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:11 pm

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well, this is awkward

at least I was here at deadline
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Post Post #950 (isolation #149) » Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:40 am

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Congratulations to the scum team for their win.

Big thanks to Jingle for running this setup as a favor for me. This game adds another point to the setup data, and I am in your debt.

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