FF7 Mafia (Game Over)

[Frogging Mollie]

okay I am fully caught up.

@ bulba

I guess I expected you to reach out to me right off the bat given our team!mafia experience. I can't remember if it was ika or gamma that i was talking to about you cos I was really worried that you were going to quit altogether after that. I was pretty excited to see your sign up in this game.

what is bugging me about you is that you said, "don't let titus fool you AGAIN" and I am curious to know when she fooled me the first time cos so far she hasn't. in team!mafia you were 90% sure she was town but I tried to tell you that she was scum.

eta: xposts

[Bulbazak]

Her scum play in Signs and Void looks significantly different.

How? Can you explain? Because I remember her trying to use a lynched townie's reads to start questioning the alignment of a universally town read player, even though said lynched townie was not in any way caught up with the game.

P-edit: Didn't she fool you in HU2? I might be misremembering, but I thought she did.

Anyway, I did plan on taking a break and letting things sort themselves out on my end, but I got really bored and wanted to play a mafia game. I might end up getting a little over my head here, because I still have too many balls in the air, but I'm doing it anyway.

[TheIrishPope]

That post was so non-committal it hurt.

And you don't think Feysal is non-committal...

[Frogging Mollie]

Her scum play in Signs and Void looks significantly different.

How? Can you explain? Because I remember her trying to use a lynched townie's reads to start questioning the alignment of a universally town read player, even though said lynched townie was not in any way caught up with the game.

P-edit: Didn't she fool you in HU2? I might be misremembering, but I thought she did.

Anyway, I did plan on taking a break and letting things sort themselves out on my end, but I got really bored and wanted to play a mafia game. I might end up getting a little over my head here, because I still have too many balls in the air, but I'm doing it anyway.

yes you are definitely misremembering.

I just don't she wld do a direct appeal in the way that she did to me as scum. trust me I have thought about it and thought about it some more.

there was something else i wanted to say I think it was to anti

[Jaqen Hghar]

SPOONFEEDING TIME. HERE COMES THE AIRPLANE, TITUS.

why my multiball scumdar neurons are firing when i read psychlone's posts: a short scientific essay

-antihero

there's a generous heaping helping of townreads. lot's of 'em. and they're pretty clean-limbed. here's some samples:

Spoiler:

I'm actually just paranoid I'm always going to read you as scum.

Actually, based on singer/frog dynamics and the "burn" post, I don't think singer aggressively seeks interaction with frog in the way she did this game. Even if she genuinely thought they were scum, I think she would give them more room so she didn't have to engage with them as early as she did.

Rest of her posts aren't alarming.

I think that if they were talking on gchat about Lady's appointment they could've gotten on the same page about the misunderstanding but instead they kept posting separately, creating a lot of dissonance and confusion.

Why do you think they would use this scum strategy as scum?

I find it unlikely because it's a huge risk early game for little to no payoff; I don't think they have much to gain from intentionally being obtuse.

I like Antagonist's scumhunting so far, which tells me they are at least trying! Ika also seems pretty engaged for now, which is a good sign. I'd put this slot as less town than singer but not by a significant amount.

Frogging Mollie looks extremely town. Level of engagement is good from the slot even when multiball is considered, but in particular, I don't think Mollie tells Aerith to full-out as scum: that's the time when she lets town attack a soft claim for being a soft claim and reaps benefits later.

Mastina falling in love with this game in the way that she as says town more than it says scum to me. She's right in that multiball is not the forum to play a loud, engaged scum game: it's the game to push for mislynches that would otherwise be hard to get and draw negative attention.

Hey, just think of it this way: even if I wa scum, there's two scumteams, so you could freely help me with hunting the other half! (Doesn't matter since I'm town, but there you go, reason to work with me even if paranoia gets the better of you!)

This doesn't really seem like the type of deal mastin would make as scum.

I mean, the more I play, the more it becomes clear people are hilariously bad at reading me. Except the people who matter. Who get it when they don't let paranoia get the better of them.

This also feels pretty town, as do the interactions with pie (both ends).

There's also a bunch of other little stuff here and there but the big takeaway point is that I don't think mastin-scum in multiball plays to get townread; mastin-scum in multiball plays to get mislynches or plays slightly scummily to increase survival rate, and this most definitely isn't that.

GiF-date: Flubber is town. Congratulations, Flubber!

What is going on here with your read on Focus Beam?

Town, then scum, then vote singer as the only scum on the Town!Focus Beam wagon?

GiF was the person who read Focus Beam as town, I initially read them as scum since Titus was acting weird in her interactions with Mollie early game. Then Salamence made that overdramatic "YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO ME" post and I started to townread the slot more than I did before.

Then (or around that time), GiF and I started to talk, we both agreed Focus!town and it seemed likely there was at least one scum on the wagon if Focus wasn't town. I agreed, I looked at the wagon and it consisted of the 6 town reads I had and just named and singer. I voted singer.

ISO of her showed a subtle towntell that I didn't pick up on the first time through, so I unvoted and am currently looking at the wagon closer than I was before.

Seiko x Naomi townread is based on both players in the slot, which is always reassuring and wonderful. Notscience has a pretty solid entrance although nothing absolutely crazy: really loving pie's entrance so far. I think that if she were scum, she would feel obligated to take advantage of ~multiball~ to a greater extent and show off just how much she can scumhunt which she hasn't done here.

This is probably one of the weaker town reads on the wagon so far, but still a pretty solid one.

actually, i lied to you. that's all of them, not a sample. whatever, there you go.

ok, so with this kind of deep thinking and coordination between the heads on the townreads, we're sure to see some fucking dazzling scumreads and cases....


NOPE

the sole attempt at that was what turned into singer-gate and the subsequent fumbling around.
oh yeah, and we also get this:

I don't even see how that is a point, but it feels like buddying to push a singer mislynch.

I'm not currently pushing a singer lynch.

So you're voting her for what reason?

Because you scumread her earlier but now you haven't found any other scum reads to push?

Haven't found any other scumreads to push. I could vote Kaboose. I might vote Kaboose

the articulate confidence gives way to this mushy hemming and hawing. OR GENERALITIES:

Having played bork multiball before, he is not afraid to make core members a scum fakeclaim.

there's no direction to either of their scumhunting. there's a marked disparity in style and tone between the townhunting and scumhunting and IN MULTIBALL it's advantageous for scum to focus more on the townside. serves the dual purpose of 1) making crosskills more untraceable and 2) keeping a low profile to not draw the kill.

and don't tell me nacho and gif are going the poe route. poe on day 1 of a large theme is fucking insanely inefficient and awful and they both know better.

they're walking on eggshells.

they're scum.

CONGRATULATIONS! You just described exactly how Nacho has done every MB I've played with him. He tends to seperate out those he has good reasons for thinking are town to make his pool of who could be scum smaller. That's not to say he's right, but you're illustrating his town game. You've probably found town!

[Jaqen Hghar]

Her scum play in Signs and Void looks significantly different.

How? Can you explain? Because I remember her trying to use a lynched townie's reads to start questioning the alignment of a universally town read player, even though said lynched townie was not in any way caught up with the game.

P-edit: Didn't she fool you in HU2? I might be misremembering, but I thought she did.

Anyway, I did plan on taking a break and letting things sort themselves out on my end, but I got really bored and wanted to play a mafia game. I might end up getting a little over my head here, because I still have too many balls in the air, but I'm doing it anyway.

yes you are definitely misremembering.

I just don't she wld do a direct appeal in the way that she did to me as scum. trust me I have thought about it and thought about it some more.

there was something else i wanted to say I think it was to anti

Nothing to me?

[Bulbazak]

I think Feysal is going after people who he doesn't agree with. Part of me thinks he should be smarter than that, but I've seen older players fall victim to that thinking before. He may be creating some mist here, but it's an effective mist if so. I'm just not seeing what you are TiP. I think whatever is bothering me is deeper than that, but whatever Feysal's alignment, I think we should let him be for now. There are bigger fish to fry.

P-edit: I don't really think that was an appeal so much as stating how she likes to tackle the game. It's the same as Mastin going on and on about her process. It's not content and is completely non-alignment indicative.

[Flubbernugget]

p-edit: Is Titus-hydra not caught up? Am I missing something?

You just said Titus not engaging you before catching up was scummy. I disagree

I said I found it interesting that she did not even blink an eye that I thought she was scummy the first time I posted the read, yet she jumps all over the read once I fully explain it. Shouldn't she have had some sort of reaction before? I don't know, it just doesn't feel right that she would ignore the read the first time I gave it and then call it scummy once I acted on said read.

She's expressed desensitization to unexplained wagoning and your vote gets a special star because???

[TheIrishPope]

Gah no one gets me

[Kaboose]

Gah no one gets me

I get you.

[hiplop]

I feel like between constantly n calling everyone in this game regards and personally attacking Ika, I really don't want to play with someone this toxic. I like sally and actually get a town vibe from him. He's a really good player though so may be getting hoodwinked.

Titus lately just screams scum. I would still prefer mastin if anyone is down, but for half policy half scum read, I gotta

VOTE: focus beam

(Fwiw salamwnce I don't think you're a nobody )

[Bulbazak]

She's expressed desensitization to unexplained wagoning and your vote gets a special star because???

My very first post said that I was likely to vote her after I finished my catch up. That vote shouldn't have been surprising. At that point it was unexplained. At that point I would have expected something from her. There was nothing. It was only after I caught up and placed my vote, along with reasoning for said vote (so it's not exactly unexplained, is it?), that she went ballistic. And if anyone would care to read what I've actually said compared to her responses, you'd see that she's nitpicking what I actually said and is not responding to my actual problems with her play whatsoever.

[hiplop]

@Flubber I'll reply more in depth in 3 hours because I'm at work right now on my phone but basically just seemed like a regurgitation to what had already been said? Seemed like you were laying the seeds to jump on a bunch of various wagons rather b than actually saying what you thought!

[Flubbernugget]

Gah no one gets me

The read you're pushing is an uphill battle by its nature

[Bulbazak]

Hiplop, did you ever say what you had a problem with?

[hiplop]

Bulba is screaming town to me right now. Very particular about reading every post quite in depth and that's not likely to come from scum, I don't think

[hiplop]

Bulba is screaming town to me right now. Very particular about reading every post quite in depth and that's not likely to come from scum, I don't think

[hiplop]

Sorry bulb what do you mean?

[Frogging Mollie]

Gah no one gets me

I get you tippy but I am not in your kewl kids club and feel like you have some1 in there who shldn't be

eta: my fucking god can I get a post in
eta2: srsly

[hiplop]

Froggy who's shouldn't be in the cool kids club iyo?

[hiplop]

TIP I also get you just don't think anyone's gonna bite on the feysal train today.

[Bulbazak]

Sorry bulb what do you mean?

You said you had a problem with one of my posts, and I asked you what it was you had a problem with. I can understand you being at work and not able to read my wall of a catchup, but I'm still curious as to what your issue was.

[Frogging Mollie]

Her scum play in Signs and Void looks significantly different.

How? Can you explain? Because I remember her trying to use a lynched townie's reads to start questioning the alignment of a universally town read player, even though said lynched townie was not in any way caught up with the game.

P-edit: Didn't she fool you in HU2? I might be misremembering, but I thought she did.

Anyway, I did plan on taking a break and letting things sort themselves out on my end, but I got really bored and wanted to play a mafia game. I might end up getting a little over my head here, because I still have too many balls in the air, but I'm doing it anyway.

yes you are definitely misremembering.

I just don't she wld do a direct appeal in the way that she did to me as scum. trust me I have thought about it and thought about it some more.

there was something else i wanted to say I think it was to anti

Nothing to me?

hi jaqen

do you have something you wanna talk about?

[hiplop]

Oh I did read that actually! I thought I replied to that haha! Basically just a tiny thing about the way you defended yourself. I'll reply morenat ten

[borkjerfkin]

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