NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]

[Klingoncelt]

But seriously folks, in the process of reading for that I noticed something very interesting.

VOTE: Cow[/vote ]

Would you like to share what you found?

[pisskop]

Votecount 1.02

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Dragonspawn

- (7) Sword master, Garmr, BlueBloodedToffee, Aeronaut, Prolapsed Brain, Annadog40, Shazam

TheCow

- (2) davesaz, Radiant Cowbells

BlueBlooded Toffee

- (2) TheCow, Klingoncelt

Silverwrath

- (1) duppin

Sword Master

- (1) Dragonspawn

davesaz

- (1) Bellaphant

duppin

- (1) mykonian

garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

Not Voting:

SilverWrath, Kop, FA_Q2, duppin, Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze

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With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

[RadiantCowbells]

Spreading awareness of a tell decreases it's value.

I'd rather keep this one for myself.

[TheCow]

It's not about the OMGUS mention at all, it's the post where he's like "Oh you're voting me and not providing reasoning in RVS? Better put that in my notes TSK TSK!"

Yes, that is what I was getting at as well. Sorry if my meaning was lost in my word choice somehow.

I'm curious in what you might have found as well, Cowbell. Do you intend on sharing in the future?

[dragonspawn]

Rc doesn't share anything. I doubt he actually has anything.

[Klingoncelt]

True dat.

[dragonspawn]

So bbt what is your grand argument for me being scum?

[Bellaphant]

Wow, much posting, many votes. Not joining the Ds wagon yet, although thier overreaction to an rvs wagon is strange.

Currently more worried about Rc and her lack of sharing Info.

[Garmr]

If dragon spawn flips scum this game it wouldn't surprise me if boon flips scum

[dragonspawn]

Rc not sharing information is not alignment indicative. It's commonplace.

I'm still perplexed at how I am overreacting to anything by asking questions, making notes, and pointing out sword masters omgus vote and the odd choice of voting for me because I pointed it out.

Isn't the point of this game to get out of rvs, ask questions, make arguments and make notes of odd things? If making notes of odd behavior is defensiveness and scummy then isn't your making a note of my "strange" behavior scummy as well?

What exactly is the appropriate reaction to three random votes? One being an omgus, and two for no given reason whatsoever? Was I supposed to ignore it? Was I supposed to not note it? Was I not supposed to ask what is scummy about pointing out an omgus vote? Kind of important to get into the mind of people isn't it? Especially when there doesn't seem to be anything random about the supposedly random votes.

Am I not supposed to point out inconsistent reasoning? At what point do I get too defensive? And is defensiveness even really scummy?

Im not liking bella's hedging in that post. Trying to look like she agrees with the wagon without going for it all the way. Serious vote time:

VOTE: bella

I do have to say I do like the fact that my vote for sword got us out of the rvs though I never suspected it would.

[dragonspawn]

If dragon spawn flips scum this game it wouldn't surprise me if boon flips scum

I won't flip scum. But I haven't seen any reasoning for my old bud boon being scummy. Got a reason?

[Keyser Söze]

Observation #1

A defensive over-reaction for an RVS vote:

So he omgus and you vote for me? And you guys don't offer any reasoning. Interesting. I'll have to make a note of that for later.

A defensive over-reaction for his earlier defensive over-reaction:

Rc not sharing information is not alignment indicative. It's commonplace.

I'm still perplexed at how I am overreacting to anything by asking questions, making notes, and pointing out sword masters omgus vote and the odd choice of voting for me because I pointed it out.

Isn't the point of this game to get out of rvs, ask questions, make arguments and make notes of odd things? If making notes of odd behavior is defensiveness and scummy then isn't your making a note of my "strange" behavior scummy as well?

What exactly is the appropriate reaction to three random votes? One being an omgus, and two for no given reason whatsoever? Was I supposed to ignore it? Was I supposed to not note it? Was I not supposed to ask what is scummy about pointing out an omgus vote? Kind of important to get into the mind of people isn't it? Especially when there doesn't seem to be anything random about the supposedly random votes.

Am I not supposed to point out inconsistent reasoning? At what point do I get too defensive? And is defensiveness even really scummy?

Im not liking bella's hedging in that post. Trying to look like she agrees with the wagon without going for it all the way. Serious vote time:

VOTE: bella

I do have to say I do like the fact that my vote for sword got us out of the rvs though I never suspected it would.

Analysis

In my eyes, dragonspawn should have just put his hands up straight away and admitted that post #39 was a defensive over-reaction. He has dug himself into a hole in his own wagon.

Conclusion

If dragonspawn is town: he has a misunderstanding of RVS.
If dragonspawn is scum: this is a case of 'LAMIST': he is presuming seriousness instead of thinking about tone / context of the post.

[Keyser Söze]

Observation #2

Here is BlueBloodedToffee's body of posts:

(I will highlight in red any parts which are actual analysis, which does not focus on wagons)

VOTE: Dragonspawn

Bella, did you miss the Dragon wagon we have forming?

PEdit - PB, did you miss the dragon wagon we have forming?

Boon, join the Dragon wagon.

I know you want to.

Boon, stop.

Dragon looks like a really good wagon. RVS wagons are good, stop slowing it down.

I am not the instigator.

Why is it bad?

You got that right.

Man, I love the smell of RVS wagons at 11:56pm.

I gave a reason?

I gave a reason?

I don't get it?

Fine whatever.

VOTE: dragon

Why did you change your mind?

VOTE: BBT because why not.

Because we have a wagon?

You not giving a reason is why Aeronaut is iffy about you joining the wagon, when it's apparently a serious vote? I think.

Ah, I see.

Since when is it scummy to join a wagon whilst giving no reasoning and then push that wagon?

Wagons are good for information and it's a great way to start any game.

No problem!

Now, can we proceed with the Dragon wagon?

Because you initially took the position of going against the wagon and without much insistence you then joined it.

That's scummy

.

I am.

I might lynch you. Haven't decided yet; you haven't made a great start though.

You gonna even attempt to explain your reversal?

Analysis

There is a disparity between the number of his posts forcing the wagon and the number of posts of BlueBloodedToffee actually analysing the wagon.

Conclusion

If BlueBloodedToffee is town: he is full of conviction in his scum-read of dragonspawn, and his faith in wagons, but overlooking actual analysis of the wagon.
If BlueBloodedToffee is scum: opportunistic wagon driving, trying to portray a pro-town cause.

[Keyser Söze]

A pre-flip associative read:

If dragon spawn flips scum this game it wouldn't surprise me if boon flips scum

Can you explain this please.

[Keyser Söze]

A break-down of Dragonspawn's wagon (7 votes)

Sword master

Anyone who is called spawn is evil!

(RVS)

Garmr

Defensive reaction to fun rvs action noted think I may be keeping my vote here for a while.

(Scum-reading Dragonspawn)

BlueBloodedToffee

Wagons are good for information and it's a great way to start any game.

(RVS)

Aeronaut

A few votes into an RVS wagon and he's already guarded in this post.

(Scum-reading Dragonspawn)

Prolapsed Brain

Why not?

(To be confirmed?)

Annadog40

I thought about it and I shall make that wagon on that good old dragonspawn a little bigger

(RVS?)

Shazam

I think this is a response to post 90. If I'm right, you're reading it wrong and I'm not sure what to make of that.

(Scum-reading Dragonspawn)


Could Prolapsed Brain and Annadog40 please confirm why they have voted for Dragonspawn.

[Kop]

Confirm I am in. On holiday atm will catch up when I can

[Garmr]

A pre-flip associative read:

If dragon spawn flips scum this game it wouldn't surprise me if boon flips scum

Can you explain this please.

Boonskies seems to be fighting against A ds lynch/wagon even through wagons this early and early wagons tend to drop really fast. Boons post have been attacking the wagon.

NOOOOO.

DRAGONSPAWN IS MY BESTY.

VOTE: The Cow

For voting my other main man.

But...but...but...Dragon. How about I make an actual vote?

VOTE: Garmr

He basically started this pile on wagon. Sword was just jokingly OMGUS'ing.

And after those votes attacking the wagon he posts this.

Eh, I won't fight the lynch, but I'm not going to join it unless he's L-1.

This feels like boonskies backing off from dragonspawn and I don't feel boon is competent enough as scum to not make mistakes like these.

Tbh I feel boon and dragon spawn seem connected and if they were connected in a townie way boon skies wouldn't of posted the post above and If boon skies was just town reading dragon then he wouldn't be posted this post. Post 65 Is a scummy post tbh I am happy with getting rid of boon and dragon Already easy game is easy.

[Keyser Söze]

Comments made about the wagon

....
Really. You all going to pile on an RVS!

What makes you think it's a bad idea?

I'm ignoring it. It's bad and you should feel bad for instigating.

Although BBT's reason for joining is iffy.

Eh, I won't fight the lynch, but

I'm not going to join it unless he's L-1

.

I mean,

why are you pushing the wagon

? I'm curious, because I don't quite understand that.

Wow, much posting, many votes. Not joining the Ds wagon yet, although thier overreaction to an rvs wagon is strange

.

FINGER OF SUSPICION

[Keyser Söze]

Conclusion

If BlueBloodedToffee is town:

he is full of conviction in his scum-read of dragonspawn

, and his faith in wagons, but overlooking actual analysis of the wagon.
If BlueBloodedToffee is scum: opportunistic wagon driving, trying to portray a pro-town cause.

Correction: I am unsure whether BlueBloodedToffee actually scum-reads Dragonspawn.

[Annadog40]

I thought about it and I shall make that wagon on that good old dragonspawn a little bigger (Too much rhymes FTW)

VOTE: dragonspawn

So, you were happy with your RVS like two posts before this. What makes you change your mind?

Rhymes

[Annadog40]

Anna isn't easy to read because she is still a newb. She could be scum but not willing to just assume so and I see no reason to rush anything.

ummm have you PLAYED a newbie game?

They played a newb game before with me not too long ago.

[SilverWrath]

/confirm damn I waited for like one month in the queue, hope this will be a good game

[SilverWrath]

so being late for one day and a shitload of activity has happened.

[Annadog40]

But seriously folks, in the process of reading for that I noticed something very interesting.

VOTE: Cow

Is it that they are wearing a different cowbell and you are jealous? I'm sure if you asked they wil wear you instead.

[duppin]

So he omgus and you vote for me? And you guys don't offer any reasoning. Interesting. I'll have to make a note of that for later.

This reaction was interesting. I am not entirely sure I agree it is a scum tell though.

I'm ignoring it. It's bad and you should feel bad for instigating.

Fine whatever.

VOTE: dragon

Refused to explain why he changed his mind. Fairly suspicious.

The Dragon wagon rhyme! But I'll stick with my RVS vote for now .

I thought about it and I shall make that wagon on that good old dragonspawn a little bigger (Too much rhymes FTW)

VOTE: dragonspawn

Another weird vote.

I like everything BBT has done so far to be honest, but I am not very interested in the dragonspawn train at the moment.
I could find multiple reasons for his reaction, and there are several votes on his train that I find suspicious.
Prolapsed Brain refusal to explain why he voted on Dragonspawn is the most interesting to me, as I can't see why a town would do that.
Either the reason should be obvious (but then I missed it), or he does not have one.

UNVOTE: SilverWrath