NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]

[Klingoncelt]

@myko, who is the one townie?

@Shazam, why are you attacking what is basically a play-style thing? It doesn't look like you've bothered to work out if it's anything to do with alignment, and it's no different to a bunch of people's reads. Why chose to take apart that post, in 14 pages?

If you're referring to my other post on this page, I'm trying to help someone be more constructive in their reads so that I can better determine if they or the people they are reading are mafia. So my question to you is: why are you pretending that that is the only post I've chosen to take apart in 14 pages? It's clearly not. I will only respond to those things which interest me.

Shazam, which are you, noob or alt?

[Boonskiies]

sorry. Will catch up shortly. Been a hectic few days.

[Aeronaut]

@myko, who is the one townie?

@Shazam, why are you attacking what is basically a play-style thing? It doesn't look like you've bothered to work out if it's anything to do with alignment, and it's no different to a bunch of people's reads. Why chose to take apart that post, in 14 pages?

If you're referring to my other post on this page, I'm trying to help someone be more constructive in their reads so that I can better determine if they or the people they are reading are mafia. So my question to you is: why are you pretending that that is the only post I've chosen to take apart in 14 pages? It's clearly not. I will only respond to those things which interest me.

Shazam, which are you, noob or alt?

What kind of question even is that

[Klingoncelt]

Shazam, which are you, noob or alt?

What kind of question even is that

I've come across some very cocky noobs of late. They don't help move the game along at all. They hinder it.

Now if he's an old player using an alt, that makes a difference.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Kling, can you state your reads please?

[Klingoncelt]

Kling, can you state your reads please?

Right now paranoia's taken over. I'm not liking much:
Aeronaut
Annadog40
Bellaphant
Boonskiies
dragonspawn
Keyser Söze
Kitty Galore
Kop
mykonian
Prolapsed Brain
SilverWrath
Sword Master


Yeah, more than half the players.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm sorry, I have no idea what that list is supposed to tell me or why you're reading anyone a certain way.

[Klingoncelt]

That's everyone I feel suspicious of right now.

Give me a few days, I'll no doubt have a shorter list.

R/L is still interfering with my ability to focus.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Cool, can I get your reasons for being suspicious of all those people?

[RadiantCowbells]

But you're liking me for town?

<3

[Keyser Söze]

But you're liking me for town?

<3

Are you happy with a very weak town-read from me?

I'm not liking much:
Aeronaut
Annadog40
Bellaphant
Boonskiies
dragonspawn
Keyser Söze
Kitty Galore
Kop
mykonian
Prolapsed Brain
SilverWrath
Sword Master

You may be onto something here Can you list the players you ARE liking much too, and finally a list of the players you are neither liking or not liking.

[mykonian]

@myko, who is the one townie?

Thecow's page 13 is very townie. Not the individual posts, but the series.

Klingoncelts list is indeed not very productive, which he knows. The issue is that he starts from a gut read and tries to condense that. Or in his words, he's mostly paranoid. He finds the easy things to dislike, the people who lurk, the people who post awkwardly, the people who got fingers pointed their way. Which is exactly the thing an average scum would try to avoid. That list includes the bad scum, so you are probably going to find a couple there, depending on what the mod randomly sent out. I'd be a bit sad though if klingon actually used that as his starting point, he's discarding the average scum to muck around in a hard to read pool of players. It's something to keep in mind, not a reads list.

[Keyser Söze]

Thecow's page 13 is very townie. Not the individual posts, but the series.

I liked the TheCow's logical break-down of the dragonspawn wagon (post 85).

And later:

Dragon's wagon makes sense. A trade of RVS votes, a "omgus" statement, and two more votes are put on. This is all still RVS. Dragon says he'll take note of this, and the wagon-ers become serious, while others start making non-RVS votes on Dragon. This all makes sense and seems reasonable to me.

I liked TheCow questioning BlueBloodedToffee's motivations for pushing dragonspawn's wagon (post 72).

BBT, would you like something from me specifically? I would be happy to help with my thoughts on any matter of issues.

This is a very confident post - TheCow is unafraid to talk about any issues and is glad to be in focus.

I wouldn't lynch Dragon, personally, but if it were not for my disdain for early wagons, I would have likely jumped on the wagon as well at that point.

Open honesty of his thoughts on a dragonspawn wagon.

Prolapsed needs to post more. Do any players here have experience with them? They would be better of reading them.
In any case, kind of leaning scum at this point, just based on tone and content alone.

I agree that Prolapsed Brain needs to explain his reads/votes/unvotes more. I have previous game-experience with Prolapsed Brain - he works from gut so it is hard to get a read on him. Maybe pressure will force him to become more open with his thoughts.

TheCow

(14 posts)

Town-lean read

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@mykonian - please can you explain your scum-read on me.

[Prolapsed Brain]

What kind of question even is that

The interrogative kind?

[Shazam]

Shazam, which are you, noob or alt?

This isn't really the important question, since I could be neither. The important question is "do I know what I'm talking about from Mafia experience?". The answer is "yes". I will not be providing proof of this for my own reasons. Suffice it to say I've known how to play Mafia, and a good deal of the theory of the game, for about 5 years.

[mykonian]

You had trouble to get going this game. You didn't want to miss the boat and get called out as a lurker so early on you wanted good looking posts out to get off to a good start. There are two keys to this, first "good looking" and the second that it was forced by your gameplan, not naturally by other people's posting. So what we end up with are very early posts with lots of quotes and a stiff structure. So by page 5 we see a PBPA. That's straight up silly should you have been town. As scum however, it makes a lot of sense. The PBPA structure makes that getting a post out with seeming analysis is doable, it helps you post. And really, you'll always find something if you want to in those. PBPA's are fine. But not on page 5. On the same page we find a logical setup about a quote where the premise is very neatly detailed etc. The argumentation is similar. Sure you could do that as town, but more usually a town sees a post, quotes it, and points out what he's seeing. He doesn't need a setup at the time of what is the exit of the RVS.

Later on you get into your groove more, as expected. The start of the game is awkward for scum, you don't know where everybody stands and first impressions do count. But once that's past, you know what people want and who they suspect, responding to them and asking questions about it gets much easier, and as such scum posting would be expected to feel more natural. It's easy to blend in when people already have an expectancy from you.

Shame your early game gives you away

[Annadog40]

Kling, can you state your reads please?

Right now paranoia's taken over. I'm not liking much:
Aeronaut
Annadog40
Bellaphant
Boonskiies
dragonspawn
Keyser Söze
Kitty Galore
Kop
mykonian
Prolapsed Brain
SilverWrath
Sword Master


Yeah, more than half the players.

So what are you reasons for the people who aren't lurkers?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anna, can I interest you in a PB wagon?

[Garmr]

I feel quite comfortable now just sitting here thinking and taking note of reads to myself. large games are like that through I can always sit back and analysis things at my own pace.

[Annadog40]

Anna, can I interest you in a PB wagon?

Not right now but thanks for the offer.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

May I ask why?

[Keyser Söze]

My comments in

red

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You had trouble to get going this game.

(That is your opinion, I have been enjoying this game from the very beginning [not aligment-indicative])

. You didn't want to miss the boat and get called out as a lurker so early on you wanted good looking posts out to get off to a good start

(I have never been called a lurker, and I don't think I ever will be called a lurker. I would rather replace out then lurk [not aligment-indicative])

. There are two keys to this, first "good looking" and the second that it was forced by your gameplan, not naturally by other people's posting. So what we end up with are very early posts with lots of quotes and a stiff structure. So by page 5 we see a PBPA

(Do you think only a scum-aligned player is more likely to post in my style? [not aligment-indicative])

. That's straight up silly should you have been town. As scum however, it makes a lot of sense. The PBPA structure makes that getting a post out with seeming analysis is doable, it helps you post. And really, you'll always find something if you want to in those. PBPA's are fine. But not on page 5. On the same page we find a logical setup about a quote where the premise is very neatly detailed etc. The argumentation is similar. Sure you could do that as town, but more usually a town sees a post, quotes it, and points out what he's seeing. He doesn't need a setup at the time of what is the exit of the RVS

(Again you are saying my playstyle is less likely to be written by a town-aligned player [not aligment-indicative])

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Later on you get into your groove more, as expected. The start of the game is awkward for scum, you don't know where everybody stands and first impressions do count. But once that's past, you know what people want and who they suspect, responding to them and asking questions about it gets much easier, and as such scum posting would be expected to feel more natural. It's easy to blend in when people already have an expectancy from you

(I was not trying to blend in, I am developing and challenging my reads continually [not aligment-indicative]).

Shame your early game gives you away

Suggestion: Re-read my posts.
Think: 'Is it possible for them to be posted from a town-aligned player?'

Conclusion: All your reasons I cannot challenge with logic, as it is the same reply for all of them: 'Why can't a town-aligned player have posted this?' There are no allegations to respond to, no miss-reads/miss-reps to support, no contradictions to address: only comments regarding my playstyle.

"Shame your early game gives you away"

- I will frame this Shame your myopic game let's your scum-hunting ability down.

[Keyser Söze]

this game has too many dragon votes and

too few on soze/duppin

Tell us why you think duppin/Keyser Söze are scum-aligned.

Simple request.

Can you now please explain your scum-read of

duppin

.

[Prolapsed Brain]

Here's my confusion: Shazam posted a reply that he was neither n00b nor alt; myko follows on directly with a response that (I thought) was to Shazam, but it turns out that myko was replying to Keyser's question.

Can we please indicate to whom we are speaking when we reply? Thanks.

Also, Keyser, I find it irritating when you attempt to cloak yourself by imitating another player's avatar. It's poor sportsmanship, at best.

[pisskop]

For Cereal