Mini 1698: MDCXCVIII [C'est fini!]

[dragonspawn]

As of right now I would be absolutely SHOCKED if Dom wasnt scum. In fact Im going to double check ISO's and give you guys a case here pretty soon. Petty much i thought the Mario slot was scummy and Dom hasnt really helped anything. Ill go into detail more about it once I get my thoughts organized

I said I would follow up on these so here itis.

At first in the beginning of Dom's iso I noticed a lot of posts that are like "I like this" or "I dont like this" A lot of one liner posts. Thats it not a lot of other substance or explanation like that. I as I have said I think not having explanations with your reads is a scum move as I believe that town like to explain so that other townies can understand where they are coming from and maybe share their point of view. So far Dom has done none of this.

I also have seen a complete LACK of scumhunting from Dom. Everything he posts is either reactive or updating you on what happened. I have yet to see him ask GOOD questions and try to find scum. He is basically the guy that sits in the background and adds his own commentary when he feels needed. If he was town I think he would take some ownership and start digging. He hasnt done that.

As for him being on the Bulb wagon I say so what to that. Much like I said with Grey I dont think voting Scum within the first 5 pages of the means shit. Ive played games as scum where we said we were going to vote eachother out the gate to create some distance. I believe mario could have done that just like I thought it was possible Grey did. So when people say that Dom being on the bulb wagon exonerates him I say absolutely not. I mean look at this post from him.

Can you explain your scumread on me?

It's not a strong scum read tbh but to explain it you were a bit wish washy and were eager to jump on a wagon

This is the ultimate pussy foot. There is NOTHING behind this post. This is a scum read that can be easily retracted at anytime but still keeps up appearances. Shortly after this he pulled his vote and placed it on Shazam. People forget about the bulb lynch that he scumslipped. Once that happens scum cut bait with the guy and lynch him. Why stick your neck for a guy thats already dead. I think people are getting too wrapped up in who voted who, instead of looking at what people are saying an how they are saying it. Towards the end of the day he voted bulb, then unvoted, then voted him again. Text book scum move at the end of the day.

So because of all this Im changing my vote to Dom VOTE: Dominator

Good argument and presentation. Ill have to review the thread later to see if I agree with the facts as you are presenting them.

[Persivul]

This post feels off to me. It almost seems like a scum slip. Because it looks like you consider yourself to be separate from the town.

So why are you saying you don't think we can get scum twice and why don't you consider yourself part of the town?

I agree it was worded poorly. When I replace in at 50+ pages, no, I don't immediately feel like part of the town. Do you?

[Persivul]

:S. Who's talking about lynching you? I'm grateful for you replacing in, and I appreciate the honesty, I just want to question assumptions in general.

Fair enough. Remember that I'm not yet invested in this game, and I'll tell you right now I'm just a VT,

so if I see something as shit, I'm not likely to take it.

Wait, you are claiming with no reason to as well? Why?

I explained it in the post. Why do you ask about something that's already been explained?

I'm not understanding the town motivation from these last few posts.

That's because they were more personally motivated.

[Persivul]

Good argument and presentation. Ill have to review the thread later to see if I agree with the facts as you are presenting them.

Why bother with this post until you've checked the facts?

[Kublai Khan]

How far have you read, Persivul?

[Persivul]

I haven't done a chrono read, just a couple ISOs.

[Sméagol]

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Abstaining [1]

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There are 10 active players.
Absolute majority is

6

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Majority has

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Previous vote count

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Spoiler: Current player list

[01] Bulbazoor -

Mafia

- watcher (variant) - lynched day 1

[02] dragonspawn
[03] GrayFoxxxx

[04] FA_Q2 -

Town

- role cop - killed night 1

[05] implosion
[06] Boonskiies
[07] spicer1209 (

V/LA

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[08] Shazam -

Town

- vanilla - killed night 1

[09] pisskop
[10] Annarchy
[11] TheDominator37 (

V/LA

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[12] Kublai Khan
[13] Persivul

Black denotes active players.

Grey denotes dead players.

(

V/LA

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Deadline is

09-08-2015 00:00 CEST

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(expired on 2015-08-09 00:00:00)

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03-08-2015 - 07-08-2015
TheDominator37

V/LA

04-08-2015 - 05-08-2015

[Boonskiies]

Sorry, guys. I know I keep saying I'll catch up, but I'm just exhausted the past few days, and got temporarily Mafiascummed out. I'll catch up as soon as I can.

[Annarchy]

Scum was lynched D1. It seems likely that scum can be found in people:

- who were NOT on the scum D1 wagon, and
- who ARE on the main D2 wagon.

can you back this supposition up with statistics? I would be highly surprised if this tends to be true

1272 - 8 days in he finally makes a vote. I'm beginning to take lack of voting as a scumtell, I suppose to keep their names out of VCs since those get used more later in the game.

did you just make this up
like, again, I'd love to see if this is backed up by previous occurrences, but I really don't think spicer would be purposefully avoiding putting himself in the VC, even if he is scum
that's just ridiculous

I disagree with many of Persivul's points and dislike his approach, but I'm not really getting much of a read from his actions atm.

I still want to lynch pisskop

[implosion]

spicer, the thing that gives me pause on dom-scum isn't dom's behavior towards bulb, it's bulb's behavior towards dom/mario. Can you comment on that?

I'd still like this from spicer.

Not much else to say atm. Gray should join Anna and I since he's been so consistent in his pisskop suspicion (even if it's for very different reasons). It's starting to get relatively close to the end of the day, activity is sort of slowing, and no one has more than 2 votes.

I think I would somewhat rather lynch Khan atm but that's somewhat of a whim and I don't think there's enough sentiment to make him a viable lynch right now. If a wagon (read: another vote besides gray) developed on him I would join.

[implosion]

Also because a wagon with me + Anna/Gray would make me feel good since as I mentioned they're both in my top tier of townreads.

[Persivul]

I disagree with many of Persivul's points and dislike his approach, but I'm not really getting much of a read from his actions atm.

Your biggest read on me should be based on what's

not

happening. I replaced into a presumably 8:2 game and took heat early. If I were scum my scum buddy would likely have attempted some damage control and/or a big diversion.

[pisskop]

Don't lynch Pisskop

Other than this game is boring there's really nothing on me.

[pisskop]

Can you list your reasons for your reads now, Anna?

[pisskop]

Because its kind of an outstanding question, and you've been so good about responding toe verything else except why you have reads the way you do

[Annarchy]

I've done several of those in response to other questions. maybe not ALL of them, but most of the particularly strong ones. and there are a couple I'd rather not share the reasons for. basically, all the townreads I'd like to be explained, I already have explained.

I disagree with many of Persivul's points and dislike his approach, but I'm not really getting much of a read from his actions atm.

Your biggest read on me should be based on what's

not

happening. I replaced into a presumably 8:2 game and took heat early. If I were scum my scum buddy would likely have attempted some damage control and/or a big diversion.

has ANYONE besides dragonspawn called you scum

[pisskop]

I think the slot isn't a bad canidate for scum

[Annarchy]

I mean I agree, but I wouldn't say Persivul is taking any sort of heat

[TheDominator37]

:S. Who's talking about lynching you? I'm grateful for you replacing in, and I appreciate the honesty, I just want to question assumptions in general.

Fair enough. Remember that I'm not yet invested in this game, and I'll tell you right now I'm just a VT, so if I see something as shit, I'm not likely to take it.

Wait, you are claiming with no reason to as well? Why?

I'm not understanding the town motivation from these last few posts.

VOTE: persivul

Specifics?

[TheDominator37]

Wow All the wagons died. I'd be willing to put my vote on kk gray or spic. Too many side wagons O_O

[GrayFoxxxx]

Lol the variance is legit.

[dragonspawn]

:S. Who's talking about lynching you? I'm grateful for you replacing in, and I appreciate the honesty, I just want to question assumptions in general.

Fair enough. Remember that I'm not yet invested in this game, and I'll tell you right now I'm just a VT, so if I see something as shit, I'm not likely to take it.

Wait, you are claiming with no reason to as well? Why?

I'm not understanding the town motivation from these last few posts.

VOTE: persivul

Specifics?

Specifics on what point?

[Boonskiies]

I don't like the Dom push. I really don't want to believe that Dom is scum with Bulb based on the end of Day 1. I'd probably want to black list bulb if that was the case. Unless Dom told him to do that...the WIFOM is up the wazoo. But yeah, I won't support the Dom wagon.

GF, KK/woody-persivul/spicer

I'll stick with the same 4.

[Boonskiies]

I won't push for spicer/pers slots, though.

[TheDominator37]

Boooooooon I want to binge watch your color wheel