Mini 1697 - a Re-balanced Game of Mafia - GAME OVER

[Alchemist21]

I haven't been able to carve out as much time as I like, but I would like to keep the game moving. Sorry about that.

btw, Thesp wagon is terrible.

Agreed!

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@Thesp, what is your case on me beyond the non-existant contradiction?

I'm less interested in the contradiction, and more interested in that it feels like you are looking for a reason to vote rather than looking for scum. Your D1 votes are almost all on people I consider likely to be town. Today, I haven't got the feeling that you're scum hunting at all. This feeling hasn't changed.

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I feel like I'm missing some answers to some questions I asked previously, but I need to go back and check soon. Sorry I don't have the time to do so now. :/

I'll admit my D2 play has been shit because I haven't been focused. If you get that impression from my D1 then I don't know what to tell you. Having conflicting reads isn't a reason to scumread me, especially considering which of us was on and which was off the Eventi wagon.

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist in regards to 821, what are you seeing in Ank and All Alone that I'm not?

Tbh I'm not seeing much from either of them, (and I actually think Ank looks kinda Town), but I'm townreading everyone else that was off the wagon and it's a smaller pool of suspects than the players on the wagon. My All Alone vote was partially for pressure, but that didn't do anything. I'll look back at the Eventi wagon tonight (about 4-5 hours from now) and re-analyze those votes. Until then my vote's staying here.

[pistachi0n]

Yeah. Looking through Alchemist's iso, it seems like he was scum-hunting way more in day 1 than today. So I don't agree with Thesp's argument about it. Alchemist was pretty strong yesterday.

[TheDominator37]

I beg to differ

[pistachi0n]

I beg to differ

About what and why?

[TheDominator37]

I beg to differ

About what and why?

You said alc looked strong on day one. You couldn't be more wromg

[pistachi0n]

I beg to differ

About what and why?

You said alc looked strong on day one. You couldn't be more wromg

I said he was scum hunting more on day one, I didn't say he looked strong.

[TheDominator37]

@alchemist mind explaining your scum read on fire?

I think Cowbells is right about Fire. He's been pretty dodgy and defensive. I also don't really like the way he backed down from his Cowbells vote because it looked like he just wanted to avoid the trouble.

@RadiantCowbells

You're town and I'll be against your mislynch.
Lets please focus on scumhunting.

@Alchemist21

If

Firebringer

is scum (you classified it as 'may be') why would

RadiantCowbells

vote him and push him?

Early distancing. I'm wondering how likely it is they could be scum together though. If Firebringer is noobscum, I can easily see bantering with a buddy then backing down before things got too serious, but I don't think noobscum are more likely to dodge a buddy's questions. I'll need to see more from Firebringer to know what to make of him.

Suppose Firebringer flips Town. What do you make of Thesp's post in that case?

Still bad for trying to shove us back in RVS.

So you're going to scumread thesp regardless of Firebringer's flip.

Why is All Alone's vote bad?

Because it's a naked vote onto one of my other scumreads right after I FoSed one of the scum.

You are aware scum very frequently RVS each other, yes?

What? It's bad because he voted Thesp after you voted Firebringer? That's crappy reasoning.
Also, someone actually looked into games a while back and found scum don't often RVS each other. The site meta may have shifted a bit because of that thread, but it's certainly not common enough to automatically assume that if someone flips scum their RVS vote is their partner.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Firebringer may still be scum, but Cowbells is trying unnaturally hard to paint Thesp as scummy no matter what, and her logic is reachy as hell.

@Dominator, care to explain your scumreads?

I may have been scumreading RC partly for playstyle. There are still parts of her early play that don't add up, and I still have a mild scumread on the slot, but I want to engage some other players for a while.

VOTE: Duppin

Where is this guy?

After re-reading ISO's, both Duppin and RC are null for me. Duppin looks like he's going to pick up his activity and lay out his thoughts more, so he should be easier to read as the game progresses. I actually understand some of RC's latest posts, and the more I look over their early play the more I think I misread them for playstyle.

VOTE: Netherspite
The way he's defending RC and pushing Eventi is scummy to me. I normally wouldn't think much of a player defending 1 slot and attacking another, but he's misrepped a couple of times so I'm suspecting scum shennanigans on his part.

I could also vote PMysterious. They voted Eventi for pressure, then later they unvoted without voting another slot, but maintained the eventi and dominator scumreads. That read as trying to softpush the slots while staying off the lynches in my opinion.

I also noticed Pistachion's only vote this whole game was his RVS vote.

@pistachion, could you explain why you haven't made a serious vote?

VOTE: Dominator

When people claim a Slayer's gambit you can see a shift in their play after they reveal they were gambiting. There's no such shift in Dom's ISO, so I'm comfortable putting a vote here.

Through his fist 30 posts this is all the scum hunting he did
Comparable to now

[TheDominator37]

Do spoilers not work on this site?

[pistachi0n]

The posts you quoted were still good posts.

[Alchemist21]

Do spoilers not work on this site?

You want to spoiler= /spoiler

A normal spoiler tag gives black censor bars.

[Alchemist21]

@Davesaz, did you ever read Eventi's 410? You never commented on it if you did.

[Alchemist21]

@Thesp, why exactly were you scumreading Eventi? Was it more than the early call-out?

[Alchemist21]

Yeah. Looking through Alchemist's iso, it seems like he was scum-hunting way more in day 1 than today. So I don't agree with Thesp's argument about it.

Alchemist was pretty strong yesterday.

I beg to differ

About what and why?

You said alc looked strong on day one. You couldn't be more wromg

I said he was scum hunting more on day one,

I didn't say he looked strong.

Wait, what? How does someone manage to contradict themselves this hard in just a few posts? Lol

[Alchemist21]

@alchemist mind explaining your scum read on fire?

I think Cowbells is right about Fire. He's been pretty dodgy and defensive. I also don't really like the way he backed down from his Cowbells vote because it looked like he just wanted to avoid the trouble.

@RadiantCowbells

You're town and I'll be against your mislynch.
Lets please focus on scumhunting.

@Alchemist21

If

Firebringer

is scum (you classified it as 'may be') why would

RadiantCowbells

vote him and push him?

Early distancing. I'm wondering how likely it is they could be scum together though. If Firebringer is noobscum, I can easily see bantering with a buddy then backing down before things got too serious, but I don't think noobscum are more likely to dodge a buddy's questions. I'll need to see more from Firebringer to know what to make of him.

Suppose Firebringer flips Town. What do you make of Thesp's post in that case?

Still bad for trying to shove us back in RVS.

So you're going to scumread thesp regardless of Firebringer's flip.

Why is All Alone's vote bad?

Because it's a naked vote onto one of my other scumreads right after I FoSed one of the scum.

You are aware scum very frequently RVS each other, yes?

What? It's bad because he voted Thesp after you voted Firebringer? That's crappy reasoning.
Also, someone actually looked into games a while back and found scum don't often RVS each other. The site meta may have shifted a bit because of that thread, but it's certainly not common enough to automatically assume that if someone flips scum their RVS vote is their partner.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Firebringer may still be scum, but Cowbells is trying unnaturally hard to paint Thesp as scummy no matter what, and her logic is reachy as hell.

@Dominator, care to explain your scumreads?

I may have been scumreading RC partly for playstyle. There are still parts of her early play that don't add up, and I still have a mild scumread on the slot, but I want to engage some other players for a while.

VOTE: Duppin

Where is this guy?

After re-reading ISO's, both Duppin and RC are null for me. Duppin looks like he's going to pick up his activity and lay out his thoughts more, so he should be easier to read as the game progresses. I actually understand some of RC's latest posts, and the more I look over their early play the more I think I misread them for playstyle.

VOTE: Netherspite
The way he's defending RC and pushing Eventi is scummy to me. I normally wouldn't think much of a player defending 1 slot and attacking another, but he's misrepped a couple of times so I'm suspecting scum shennanigans on his part.

I could also vote PMysterious. They voted Eventi for pressure, then later they unvoted without voting another slot, but maintained the eventi and dominator scumreads. That read as trying to softpush the slots while staying off the lynches in my opinion.

I also noticed Pistachion's only vote this whole game was his RVS vote.

@pistachion, could you explain why you haven't made a serious vote?

VOTE: Dominator

When people claim a Slayer's gambit you can see a shift in their play after they reveal they were gambiting. There's no such shift in Dom's ISO, so I'm comfortable putting a vote here.

Through his fist 30 posts this is all the scum hunting he did
Comparable to now

Here's a fun little game. Go through your own ISO and do the same thing.

[Alchemist21]

@Duppin, did you have reasons for scumreading Eventi beyond his RC vote?

[davesaz]

@Davesaz, did you ever read Eventi's 410? You never commented on it if you did.

Yes, I read 410. 459 was posted after reading it.
The re-read I mentioned in 459 led to 832.

[Alchemist21]

Half of me really wants to vote Pistachion for that recent bit, but the other half of me can't think of why it would actually come from scum.

If she's buddying me she was still defending me regardless of when she said I looked strong vs I was doing more scumhunting. It doesn't look like she's using it as a reason to push Thesp or Dom either (well, maybe Thesp to a small extent, but in the context here, I don't really see it).

Either in 2 hours she actually forgot her specific wording or she's purposefully trying to be confrontational with Dom, and the latter reason would be the only one that would mean she's scum.

[pistachi0n]

Wait, what? How does someone manage to contradict themselves this hard in just a few posts?

I derped, sorry. I thought I had said something else? I argued with Dominator over semantics even though I think he's town because I was in the mood to post.

[pistachi0n]

Either in 2 hours she actually forgot her specific wording or she's purposefully trying to be confrontational with Dom, and the latter reason would be the only one that would mean she's scum.

Both are sort of true, I didn't remember using the word strong but I was also ready and able to be active on the thread but nobody else was posting.

[Alchemist21]

@Davesaz, did you ever read Eventi's 410? You never commented on it if you did.

Yes, I read 410. 459 was posted after reading it.
The re-read I mentioned in 459 led to 832.

I don't see how either of the latter 2 relate back to 410. 410 was Thesp saying what he found manipulative about Thesp.

[Alchemist21]

Wait, what? How does someone manage to contradict themselves this hard in just a few posts?

I derped, sorry. I thought I had said something else? I argued with Dominator over semantics even though I think he's town because I was in the mood to post.

Either in 2 hours she actually forgot her specific wording or she's purposefully trying to be confrontational with Dom, and the latter reason would be the only one that would mean she's scum.

Both are sort of true, I didn't remember using the word strong but I was also ready and able to be active on the thread but nobody else was posting.

I was posting. My 901 was even a response to your earlier post. You didn't feel like that would have been more productive than a semantics argument?

[Alchemist21]

*feel like responding to that would have been*

[pistachi0n]

I didn't find anything objectionable about 901, I liked your explanations and that you're going to go back and reread. I disagree with Dominator's case on you, the problem is, he doesn't provide much content to argue it with.

[ActionDan]

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