Newbie 1625: American Spring - Day 5 (DL - 08/31)

Thespio · Post Post #1000 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:21 am

In post 999, Akuseru wrote:
In post 993, notscience wrote:I think we should massclaim at this point.

thoughts?

I was thinking about this, too. I think micc might have already jailed stubbs...

would he have jailed him N1? N1 there were no deaths.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1001 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:21 am

Because that would have been some serious hard bussing and it just didn't read that way to me.

They basically locked themselves into one of them getting lynched.

PEdit - Thespio, I'm intrigued as to why you believe mass claim is bad?

Akuseru · Post Post #1002 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:22 am

My current scum read Joram > HCL > NS > BBT

At this point I'm just trying to decide between Joram and HCL.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1003 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:24 am

Can you explain those reads Aku?

Thespio · Post Post #1004 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:24 am

In post 1001, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Because that would have been some serious hard bussing and it just didn't read that way to me.

They basically locked themselves into one of them getting lynched.

PEdit - Thespio, I'm intrigued as to why you believe mass claim is bad?

At this point its possible that there may be no other power role. If there is they basically become next night target. If there isnt there is a chance that mafia (Goon) Claims to be the bulletproof x1 townie. everyone else will claim vanilla.

PEDIT: Micc was a threat to HCL too...
PEDITPEDIT: Submit faster!!

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1005 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:28 am

OK, you had me interested for a second then...

Thespio · Post Post #1006 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:34 am

then...

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1007 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:35 am

Then you posted something and I calmed down.

Now, can you move your vote off of me and join me on Joram?

Thespio · Post Post #1008 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:41 am

BBT, i buy you being jailed, just a thought. We almost lynched Joram DP1 but we lynched stoz instead. But no NK, He aslo said :

In post 435, Micc wrote:Consider me on jordan but willing to hammer stoz at the deadline.

Its possible Joram was jailed NP1

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1009 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:43 am

You do?

You were very much against it before...what changed?

Thespio · Post Post #1010 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:45 am

I know speculation on roles is bad, but i think its A BP-Townie and A RB mafia. Reasoning - Joram let slip they wanted to be copped, this implies he either thinks there is always a cop and doesnt read. OR it could mean there is a RB scum. His Vanilla claim would make sense if he was a RB scum. Plus he was absent durring the lynch on bulba.

PEDIT: Logic..

Akuseru · Post Post #1011 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:46 am

Joram is, imo, the scummiest player in this game right now (like bulba makes no attempt to hunt scum. Just vote parks and hope no one notices or questions him. His reasons for voting are terrible/empty...just like bulba's) + he avoided any direct interaction with bulba (However, bulba pressing he was town and then voting for him when he had a wagon makes me feel uneasy about voting Joram. Why would bubla be so obvious about trying to stop a scum lynch >.>?)

HCL didn't interact with bulba as much as I would have liked him too. Bulba was pretty scummy, but besides entertaining/slightly validating the idea of bulba being scum, he stayed off of bulba's for the most case. That's why there's a possibility of him bussing bulba. Once Micc and I decided we weren't going to budge from bulba, NS wasn't going to vote himself, and thespio didn't look like he would switch wagons, HCL prob decided that NS wagon wasn't going to go through anymore, and he might as well bus bubla. Although, at the same time, I think it's unlikely because he could have stayed put and wait for a no lynch. Then again, he expressed suspicion on bulba, so he might have just voted to avoid any future suspicion of allowing a no lynch over a bulba lynch.

tl;dr WIFOM

Thespio · Post Post #1012 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:48 am

OMG, it was him, lol look @ his last time signed in. He would have to send Night action right? so if he was online durring the night and not posting then 1, wtf? what are you doing logged in but doing nothing? VOTE: Joram I also saw jorams cop request as a way to out the cop that he believe lived.

Thespio · Post Post #1013 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:49 am

btw when i posted^ this was his time:
Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:42 pm

Akuseru · Post Post #1014 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:57 am

I was hoping no one would point that out. I wanted a mass claim first :<

HenryCabotLodge · Post Post #1015 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:04 am

In post 1012, Thespio wrote:OMG, it was him, lol look @ his last time signed in. He would have to send Night action right? so if he was online durring the night and not posting then 1, wtf? what are you doing logged in but doing nothing? VOTE: Joram I also saw jorams cop request as a way to out the cop that he believe lived.

I was originally going to vote BBT based off the fact that he spent the first half of yesterday calling bulbazoor one of his top lynch choices then opposed it as much as he could when he actually came under threat of being lynched. I also don't like how the first thing he thought to do today was prematurely defend himself from suspicion by saying somebody is trying to frame him.

You have a good point about JoramvanVugt with the cop thing, though. Remember also that he asked me to claim on day 1 when I had two votes on me. We collectively excused his play as newbishness and he subsequent upped his activity and started making longer posts. In light of that, his absence at the end of day 2 is very conspicuous and strange and he looks scummy. I'm deciding between him and BBT for my vote right now.

I'm not in favor of a massclaim. Everybody is going to claim townie so it's just a useless distraction.

Akuseru · Post Post #1016 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:10 am

In post 1015, HenryCabotLodge wrote:I'm not in favor of a massclaim. Everybody is going to claim townie so it's just a useless distraction.

Everyone claiming townie is a possibility, since there are only 2 possible setups. A massclaim would only be useless if a townie PR lies to avoid being NK. Which would only hurt town. I want to know why there was no kill N1.

Thespio · Post Post #1017 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:12 am

^ Aku, I quoted micc, he susp joram. Its possible he jailed him and the scum tried to use joram to kill someone

Akuseru · Post Post #1018 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:17 am

In post 1017, Thespio wrote:^ Aku, I quoted micc, he susp joram. Its possible he jailed him and the scum tried to use joram to kill someone

I don't think so. He voted stubbs as soon as Day 2 started and shortly later disproved of your (thespio's) Joram vote.

Thespio · Post Post #1019 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:25 am

In post 1018, Akuseru wrote:
In post 1017, Thespio wrote:^ Aku, I quoted micc, he susp joram. Its possible he jailed him and the scum tried to use joram to kill someone

I don't think so. He voted stubbs as soon as Day 2 started and shortly later disproved of your (thespio's) Joram vote.

Yes but DP1 he was in the Joram wagon. he swapped once he realised he forgot stubbs.

Akuseru · Post Post #1020 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:36 am

In post 1019, Thespio wrote:Yes but DP1 he was in the Joram wagon.

There was no kill N1! If micc jailed Joram, why didn't he express any suspicion towards Joram? Micc was town/null reading Joram and pretty much left him alone for Day 2.

It's more likely that micc jailed stubbs.

Thespio · Post Post #1021 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:41 am

I believe it, was stubbs a target of skum NP1?

Thespio · Post Post #1022 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:49 am

If mafia attacked and didnt get a kill NP1 then it would be safe for them to assume that there is a TP role, thus there is a chance there is a doctor. and thus a cop, assuming there is a RB mafia.

Akuseru · Post Post #1023 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:50 am

Nope. I'm just saying there could be chance that he jailed stubbs to prevented him from killing. He could have also jailed who he thought was going to be targeted and prevent a kill that way, but I doubt he'd protect Joram.

Thespio · Post Post #1024 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:53 am

tru^ So he jailed BBT. this means he is inno and was targeted. Or he was guilty and couldnt kill. Regardless he saw BBT as scum and would have jailed him. That means he is innocent. Or BBT is a RB and guessed the jailor and killed him. Occam's razor states BBT is innocent. Micc probably jailed BBT and someone else killed him.