Open 604 - Fire and Ice - Fire mafia wins!

[Klick]

/confirm

[Klick]

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

No RVS. Clearly, he's scum, unsure of how to go about voting randomly without arousing suspicion.

Also, I haven't played with him in a while!

[Klick]

waits for more votes

VOTE: ika

[Klick]

ika's waiting for more votes without placing a vote himself. This is counterproductive and shows that he doesn't care about more votes being there at all.

Page 1 scum get.

[Klick]

Ika, I have 3 page 1 scum reads and 1 town read. This never happens. You?

scum 2 found

[Klick]

Bella, are you on ika's team, or are you on opposite teams?

[Klick]

As scum, she would know who is on her team, of course.

[Klick]

I've already established ika-scum, so he would either have to be Bella's partner or opposite scum.

[Klick]

ika's scum because he's specifically waiting for others to continue RVS, without contributing himself. This conveniently adds absolutely nothing and further stalls RVS.

Bella's scum for Post #26. Seems like an early attempt at placing a towntell by saying she has three scumreads - as Mafia, she is only looking for two scum.

[Klick]

Typically, you try and generate information and discussion by taking something out of RVS.

FWIW, my vote on ika is not an RVS vote.

[Klick]

I wouldn't say I'm joking.

Bella, do you have any completed scum games?

[Klick]

Yes please.

[Klick]

I'm leaning town on Bella, comparing her scum meta to a couple of town games I read of hers. I won't go into detail, because that would make what I'm seeing easier to manipulate should Bella be scum.

Mist, I have a feeling you're never going to townread me.
I do have a question for you though: do you actually think there's any chance of Firebringer being lynched this early? Maybe it's just me having more faith in the current meta than I should, but I really can't see someone being dumb enough to hammer this early.

ika totally ignored my push on him in favor of voting someone who hasn't posted anything but a confirm. Ironically, Sword Master has posted the same amount of actual content ika has. That vote is now 10x more serious.

ConMan, you should vote ika with me.

[Klick]

I know ika probably doesn't intend to respond to me. I want to make him.

[Klick]

I have thoughts, but I'm going to wait for ika to do something before giving them.

Also disappointed in a few other players, but I'm actually reading ika as scum from what little he's contributed.

[Klick]

Bella, what's up with the swap from ika to Cow? Did ika do anything to change your mind? Did Cow?

[Klick]

Klick lets wagon Cow.
Ika is giving like 0 reactions. I don't wanna parkvote there waiting for something to happen while it's not.

If ika continues giving no reactions, he should be policy lynched. No use leaving a player in the game that's not going to play.

Could you go into more detail on your townreads, ika? At least, did anything stand out about them in particular?

[Klick]

Then let me rephrase. Why can the people below the line die now, and not the ones above it?

[Klick]

UNVOTE:
Thanks ika. Keep it up. I feel like you can be a strong player if you put effort into it.

I'll reread now and give some thoughts.

[Klick]

I guess I'll just format this like a reads list.

ika: Very slight town lean based on Post #142. Gut more than anything else.

Radja: Completely null. I'll need to come back to him after there's more content from him.

Bellaphant: Town. Town town town. First thing that made me realize this was her Post #49 claim that "placing a town-tell" was too complicated for her. I do want to ask though -

@Bella

- you asked a string of questions from Post #75 to Post #111. What results did you get from those questions? Can you analyze the answers you got and pull reads from them? (and I'll answer your first one in this post!)

TheCow: I

was

reading him as town until his most recent post. He has essentially claimed not-Doctor, and says he was attempting to be shot tonight. But he didn't think of the much simpler way of drawing an NK that also helps the town, that being just playing a strong game and finding scum. In light of his most recent post, I can't say anything he has said is particularly alignment-indicative, though his whole self-focused play style reads as slightly scum.

Cow

, could you start scumhunting for real now?

ConManMick: We're long past RVS. Do something. I used to be where you were, joining 5+ games and not doing much in any of them (presumably). I suggest either committing to this game and putting some effort into scumhunting ASAP, or replacing out and sticking to 1-2 games at a time. No use being in a game if you're not playing it.

Sword Master: You're right, it is time to play the game! Null.

Tatsuya Kaname: I would be voting him if he were not V/LA, for Post #152. He's asking for reads, but not giving any. Him being V/LA justifies this somewhat, and it also makes wagoning him pointless until Sunday. Still, slight scum lean.

gameplay506: His votes are all over the place. I see seven votes in seven pages. He made a "serious" vote in ConMan, but never explained it (even after being asked to) and switched to ika, then Cow soon after. I'm getting no town vibes from him, and I could easily see this being scum.

Mist7676: Crap. I tried to read her, but I know her well, and everything is just registering as a Mist-tell. I think the problem is that she's asking too many questions and not giving enough opinions.

Mist

, could I see some of your reads with reasoning?

Prolapsed Brain: This read is suffering from the same thing Mist's is - not enough analysis/opinions.

Just a general request to everyone: Start giving more opinions pls

Firebringer: Actively anti-town. I would lynch this, despite not having a read on the slot at all.

hayatoBL: Thank you for being readable. I feel a little weird about Post #113. Specifically, I have a little trouble believing he actually asked Tatsyua to replace out as a reaction test - that's not something I would consider using to get a read. It's something I might think of after I asked the player to replace out, but not before. Regardless, it at least looks like a planned thing from Post #101, so I'll let it slide. Other than that, I like his contributions, he seems genuine in his scumhunting, and his Cow push has produced a lot of info. Solid town read right under Bella.


So that would make my reads look something like this:

TOWN
Bellaphant
hayatoBL

ika
--- SEA OF NULL ---
Mist7676
Prolapsed Brain
Sword Master
Radja
ConManMick
Firebringer
--- SEA OF NULL ---
Tatsuya Kaname
TheCow

gameplay506
SCUM

VOTE: gameplay

[Klick]

Klick, I don't really see the scumread on Cow. If you're buying the explanation he gave for his play, I don't see why you would scumread him. Additionally, would you think scum would claim non-doc?

First off, I have to clarify that it's not a particularly strong scumread, which is why I'm not voting him - along with the fact that he's been wagoned already. What has me leaning scum on him is that he has spent the past seven pages focusing on creating an image of himself, as opposed to contributing to discussion or looking for scum. That's something scum has more of an incentive to do than town does.

Scum definitely has an incentive to claim non-doc. The scumteams will want to kill the doc. Therefore, if scum makes it clear they're not the doc, they're less likely to be killed by opposing scum.

[Klick]

You know, I think the rest of the players should follow your example. Let's all just sheep and not give any content. That will make for a great game.

[Klick]

My vote is staying on either gameplay or Firebringer today. Preferably gameplay, because that's more likely to be a scum lynch.

[Klick]

Wait, how am I anti town?

Spoiler:

/confirm.

HEY IKA!

So, for example,

Vote:Mist7676

because they have numbers in their names.

If Firebringer started to freak out because there are 3 votes on him, we could use that to make a read, is what I'm seeing as the point here. Okay, I'll probably reread the thread again, and see if I get what you mean proper.

You would like that wouldn't you?
Me to freak out, I welcome the votes. I LIVE ON THEM!

I feed on you guys thinking I am Scum, I feed of your hysteria.

FOR I AM THE BRINGER OF FIRE THE TRUE MVP THE SHERIFF JAILOR. YOU CANT TOP ME!

I am mad at the votes on me though, I think I will hold off voting for awhile (anti town ftw!) until someone leaps out or just hope the ice and fire attack each other.

So why swordmaster?

We still reaction testing?

Ika is never active in games, always there to hammer though . . ..

Ika is always town, are you crazy?
VOTE: Bellaphant

Obvious scum is obvious.

Also I don't like that penguin.

FireBringer: You've ignored a question of mine.

Your question was pointless. So I didn't bother answering it.

This game is fun.

It is, isn't it

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

You are right it was fake emotion, it was a troll response to votes one me. You want to say thats indictionat of scum go ahead.
GL with that though.

ika
Bellaphant
klick
Firebringer

-----

Radja
TheCow
ConManMick
Sword Master *
Tatsuya Kaname
gameplay506
Mist7676
Prolapsed Brain
hayatoBL

anythign below line can die right now

I feel so honored!

Then let me rephrase. Why can the people below the line die now, and not the ones above it?

me
bella is my friend and i refuse to lycnh her day 1 also i have not seen anythign scumm form her
you moving game fward
meta (although i would lynch him only for policy)

I am guessing your policy on hammering anyone right?

#Quivering

So why the votes on Cow? Prodding for info?

[Klick]

There is nothing to say about them.

That is the problem.

[Klick]

Cool, you just made my blacklist. That was quick.

VOTE: Firebringer

Policy lynch pls?

[Klick]

Actually, let's have a look at the Forum Rules and Guidelines:

• Play to win the game.

Now, let's look at what Firebringer is saying:

I am going anti town just because of you.

vonflare, I request a force replacement of Firebringer for breaking site rules.

[Klick]

gameplay, what are your thoughts on hayato? I get the feeling you're using mostly his reasoning for voting Cow. Do you think he's town?

[Klick]

I want to hear others' opinions in order to hear content from them. gameplay's response might help me get a better read on

gameplay

. He might also have something to say about hayato that I haven't thought of yet.

What is your read on hayato? Why?

[Klick]

Why is that?

[Klick]

Wait a second. Then why did you vote Cow here and claim you had a scumread on him?

I have feeling TheCow is scum.

VOTE: TheCow

[Klick]

Post 87 is your post. Which post did you mean?

You have a gut feeling Cow is scum. Could you do an ISO of Cow and see if you can back that up with a read?

[Klick]

Ah, okay. I think I get what you're saying. The fact that he was conscious of the fact that there were two informed minorities was scummy to you? I can see that.

Anyway, UNVOTE: . Both you and gameplay read as genuine and town over the last two pages, and you were eventually willing to work to make reads when asked. As long as gameplay does eventually come back with his hayato read, I'll stay off of that vote.

VOTE: TheCow

[Klick]

That's L-2.

[Klick]

@vonflare:

Firebringer is voting me.

[Klick]

Happy birthday vonflare!
Could we get a prod on Sword Master?

Speaking of,

@Sword Master:

You've been active elsewhere on-site. What's the deal? If you don't want to play with us, you should replace out. Otherwise, get your butt in here and start playing!

I'm agreeing on Radja, Bella. Leaning town on him at the moment.

[Klick]

Klick, it could be my lack of experience, but I don't understand your town read here. Would you mind elaborating for me?

Post #182 is the main reason I'm feeling like gameplay is town. As scum watching me go after Firebringer, I don't think gameplay would try to pull a read from the situation. Instead, I think he would have kept talking about how annoyed he was about my play.

Admittedly it's weak reasoning, and I'm not ruling gameplay out at all. There's just not much else to go off of with that slot. If he doesn't continue providing content, I could see that just being a way for him to try and get town points from me.

[Klick]

VOTE: ConMan

[Klick]

Okay

[Klick]

I'd rather PL the player who has done nothing at all than a player who has at least given a little to read off of.

Bella, why don't you like a ConMan lynch?

[Klick]

^ I like this guy

[Klick]

Cons not folding. If hes town hes calling our bluff.

Help us lynch scum or PL a townie who woild withhold content and make lurking a viable scum strat.

I think lurking is kind of viable for town as well day 1. I mean no it isn't very "pro town" but being anti town day 1 isn't such a bad strategy. How often do the lurkers/anti town players get attacked Night 1 by mafia?

I'm going to explain what's wrong with this. "Anti town" is, by definition, working against the town's chances of winning. This is

never

good. People over the years have attributed the phrase "anti town" to behaviors that have proven to be against the town. These are things such as not providing content D1, or lurking.

Now, why does this work against the town? You propose that it decreases your chances of being NKed N1... but this is not a positive at all.

Someone

is going to be killed N1, no matter what. If you don't provide content D1 to avoid the NK, you're letting someone who is probably actively scumhunting and has a town read die in exchange for someone no one has a read on. And your reads are not objectively better than that player who dies N1.

Therefore, barring PRs, it is

always

a net loss to behave in an anti-town way to avoid the NK.

(Phone post, sorry for no real content, but I felt that was a necessary comment to make and didn't want to forget)

[Klick]

Prod-dodge. I'm visiting colleges for the next two days. I might make a good post in the hotel room, but probably not.
I'll just say I'm satisfied with recent activity. I have to update my reads.

[Klick]

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

I've been wanting to vote this way for a while.

[Klick]

Cow's been more town lately, not really willing to vote there. Haven't gotten a good read on Mist lately, but I

could

see her being scum. At the moment though, I'd like to vote PB.

Still visiting colleges. This will be more detailed tonight.

[Klick]

Really? I played with him a long time ago, and don't remember him being too bad. Then again, I was horrible back then myself.

[Klick]

I'm fine with a lynch on ConMan, Prolapsed, or Mist. Preferably one of the former two.

[Klick]

thr point is im going to get him lynched, even if not today

And this site is entirely too tolerant of his type of lurking.

I completely agree.

Firebringer, consider the possibility that ConMan is scum. He's doing nothing alignment-indicative. He "could easily be town," but could also easily be scum because he's giving us nothing. When are we going to lynch him? He's never going to be scumread by other means if we continue to let him live on his current play.

That's why, for the most part, my play today has been making sure everyone provides content. By Day 2, it would be nice if we had information to use from everyone. That's why I want to lynch a lurker today. And today is arguably the best time to do it, so that we don't have to waste time during a future day discussing lynching a lurker.


Catching up. Instead of ISO-reading, I think I'll just read from front to back and take notes.

[Klick]

PBrain, I'm sorry you're not feeling well. But show me you're not scum. Give an effort to read and get opinions.

What are your thoughts on TheCow? On Firebringer?

[Klick]

So I've read up.

...but that makes almost no difference. My reads have been relatively unchanged. The only particularly notable one is gameplay raising to the top rank of my townreads.
To be honest I'm completely null on Mist. I know her well as a person, and because of that, I could see basically anything she says as being from town or scum. Especially in multiball, where even scum can be scumhunting.

I'd rather see this vote switch to ConMan, because he has yet to do anything significant and I really don't see this changing. But I agree with gameplay that Mist being lynched will at least provide some info.

VOTE: ConMan

[Klick]

Like really I don't feel like a Con lynch would help with anything at all. I don't freakin want a Con lynch.
I want to compromise at least.

I disagree.

And that's about how far that argument is going to get you with anyone.

The way I see it, in this game there isn't anyone who is obviously scum, or even close to it. This is because of players like ConMan not doing anything to further discussion. Now, this makes me suspect that the scum may be within the players that aren't furthering discussion.

In essence, it's a policy lynch that also has a decent chance of landing on scum, with 1/3 of the players being scum.

[Klick]

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Now is the time to step it up, or be lynched. I want to see your thoughts on every player in this game.

These kills are weird.

[Klick]

If we knew that, we'd win, duh.


Who do YOU think is scum?

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

[Klick]

My vote isn't moving off of you until you do something productive. I invite others to join me.

I don't even really mind if this ends up leading to a lynch - I have enough townreads to where you have over 50% chance of flipping scum.

[Klick]

Vote count:

ConManMick

(5) - Pisskop, klick, wanderer-nl,

bellaphant

, TheCow

Mist7676

(4) - Gameplay506, Radja, firebringer, prolapsed brain

Gameplay

(1) -

Mist7676

Bellaphant

(1) -

ConManMick

TheCow

(1) - hayotoBL

not voting

-
Ika

With 13 players it's 7 to lynch.

Day 1 will end in

(expired on 2015-07-24 15:00:00)!

The Bella-killers are on ConMan, the Mist-killers are on Mist. Throw hayato in with the ConMan group and ika in with the Mist group.

It's probably something like Prolapsed/Mario and Wanderer/pisskop.

Have fun cross-killing scum!

[Klick]

I COULD see Bella-killers being on the Mist wagon. But it mostly seems obvious that the Mist-killers were there.

[Klick]

I mostly say the Bella killers are on ConMan because I have townreads on Fire/gameplay, and ika probably didn't do it.

[Klick]

I mostly say the Bella killers are on ConMan because I have townreads on Fire/gameplay, and ika probably didn't do it.

So you think Radja and/or Prolapsed are scum?
You think hayoto is town?

Why do you think Pisskop, klick, wanderer-nl, and I would not want to kill mist? What would these players get in keeping mist alive?

Yes, I currently suspect Mario and Prolapsed are scum. I don't necessarily have a townread on hayato - as I said before, I threw him in with the people on the ConMan wagon as the likely Bella-killers. "on ConMan" was a generalization. I've already given pretty much every conclusion I made from looking at the lynch VC/kills in my last few posts.

I think the scumteam that killed Mist is within the people on the Mist wagon because the kill was likely an aim for scum. (I doubt anyone felt threatened by Mist, the ConMan counterwagon.) In addition, the people who killed Mist likely weren't taking into account the fact that she was most likely going to be lynched today - her jump onto the ConMan wagon looked really scummy, and she already had suspicion on her. The kill was silly, as pisskop put it. That implies the Mist-killers either didn't think much about their kill, or they aren't incredibly experienced as scum. Conveniently, I'd say all of the Mist wagon are players who would consider killing Mist:
- I could see gameplay doing it, I don't think he's been scum too many times before?
- Mario's just replaced in, and from what I've seen of him I wouldn't be too surprised if he killed Mist
- Definitely could see Firebringer wanting to kill Mist
- From what I can tell Prolapsed Brain isn't actually paying attention, he would kill Mist

As for the last question: Mist looked scummy. Mist was the most likely lynch for today, had she not been killed. I don't see pisskop, myself, Wanderer-nl, or you killing the most likely lynch.

[Klick]

@Klick: I feel that vca you did is a little short-sighted. I wouldn't expect scum to vote the way you described it, then again, I don't really know how to do vca well so maybe there is something to it. How do you figure I'd be experienced enough to not kill Mist?

You strike me as a player that would at

least

think killing Mist is not the optimal option. She wasn't pushing hard on anyone or anything, and people thought she looked scummy. You yourself actually said you wanted to look at her more closely in the next dayphase, in Post #503. It also doesn't seem like you had a scumread on Mist, if what you said in #503 was your actual thoughts. If that's the case, you wouldn't kill her aiming for scum. Therefore, I see no motivation for you to kill her.

I'm probably just not bright enough to put the dots together, as I don't see how everything fits here. I can further elaborate my issue on your previous post and there will be more arrows than before, but meh, I don't feel like it's going to be fruitful.

So, I'm going to ask for a second opinion instead.

Maybe Klick(or anyone else)?

Does that post makes sense and is it a valid response to my issue on him or is he just trying to avoid adressing the issue by putting a lot of words to seem like he did?

I will feel somewhat incompetent, if the post actually made sense.

I am pretty confused on TheCow in general, admittedly, but I also think he believes what he's saying and isn't just spouting off random theory. I suspect Cow thought Mist was scum, and that combined with Radja being off the ConMan wagon would be what made the vote analysis interesting? That's just a guess. Regardless, Cow's thoughts seem genuine to me, whether they're from town or scum.

@everyone not voting Prolapsed Brain: ISO him. Then vote him.

[Klick]

Vote the cow to end this day!!! One less scum hopefully cross kill happens so towns got a chance

You're not voting Cow?

Firebringer, you should join me on Prolapsed.

[Klick]

kick i got a curve question:

why do you think you are alive over mist/bella?

Missed this. I think I probably didn't fit what the scum teams were intending to shoot at. Specifically, the Mist shot was aimed at scum most likely, so that scum team at least thought Mist was more likely to be scum than I was; while the Bella shot didn't give much information at all about that scum team. For whatever reason, Bella was a more appealing target to them than I was.

[Klick]

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

I refuse to vote anywhere but here. This has a 3/7 chance of flipping scum. The Cow wagon (which was stupid by the way) supports PBrain-scum, the Mist wagon supports PBrain-scum. Wanderer choosing to join the Cow wagon, despite never claiming a scumread on him and PBrain having three votes, supports PBrain-Firescum (and this would probably mean Ice are two different people that were on Mist D1, leaving Mario, gameplay and Firebringer). At the same time, he's not ruled out as Ice if we want to take people out of that pool. All of this points to PBrain being scum, despite him not having any content in his ISO whatsoever. Lynch. Please.

Also, should we massclaim? Doctor won't get much use out of its protection anymore (both scum should be aiming for other scum, and even if a townie is saved by the Doctor, it doesn't help much), so the confirmed townie is more useful than the hidden Doctor.

[Klick]

Does it? Because I see scum who accused two people, but ended up voting the townie and soft-bussing but eventually ignoring their scumbuddy.

Either way, PBrain is some sort of scum and you should vote him.

[Klick]

I'll do a full analysis of our situation later today, but we're absolutely lynching today.

[Klick]

Not really? You're looking at the worst-case scenario and calling it the only scenario. Even if we lynch town, Fire can kill Ice, leaving us at 2-1-1 (or 3-1 if Ice hit Fire). You also have to throw in the possibility of a Doctor save.

[Klick]

I hope you feel better, PBrain. That being said, scum scum scum lynch lynch lynch please.

[Klick]

This is finally happening

[Klick]

We're looking for Wanderer's partner,and I'm glad that the remaining players are among the active players. Seems like a nice last showdown to me.

You're telling me, after the argument on Day 1 between Fire/gameplay/myself.

I'm VT by the way.

I was kinda looking forward to 2-1-1 craziness Optimal play would have actually been to lynch the townie, assuming Doctor was still alive. I guess boring MyLo works too.

I'll wait for Firebringer to claim before giving my thoughts.

[Klick]

I'll just say before today, I was sure PBrain's partner was Firebringer. He was avoiding that wagon so hard D2. xD

[Klick]

Hmm. Upon a reread, that's actually true. I just noticed the blatant way Firebringer did it:

Time to get on a major wagon like a sheep

VOTE: thecow

without looking at gameplay's subtle avoiding the wagon.

Actually, I guess this won't hurt regardless of what Firebringer claims - right now, I think he's the last scum.

[Klick]

Spoiler: Day 1 VC with pretty colors

Vote count:

Firebringer (3) - hayatoBL,

ConManMick

,

Tatsuya

.

Tatsuya

(1) -

Bellaphant

Ika

(1) - Klick

ConManMick

(1) - Gameplay506

not voting

-

ika

Radja
TheCow
Sword Master
Mist7676

Prolapsed Brain

Firebringer

With 13 players it's 7 to lynch.

Vote count:

Ika

(3) - Klick,

ConManMick, Bellaphant

Firebringer

(2) - hayatoBL,

Tatsuya

Swordmaster

(2) -

ika

, gameplay506.

Mist7676

(1) -

TheCow

not voting

-

Radja
Sword Master
Mist7676

Prolapsed Brain

Firebringer

With 13 players it's 7 to lynch.

Vote count:

Ika

(3) - Klick,

ConManMick, Bellaphant

Swordmaster

(1) -

ika

Mist7676

(1) -

TheCow

TheCow

(1) - hayotoBL

ConManMick

(1) - Gameplay506

Gameplay506

(1) -

Mist7676

Bellaphant

(1) - Firebringer

Prolapsed Brain

(1) -

Radja

not voting

-

Sword Master

Prolapsed Brain

Tatsuya Kaname

With 13 players it's 7 to lynch.

Vote count:

TheCow

(5) - hayotoBL,

bellaphant

, gameplay,

mist7676

, Klick

Ika

(1) -

ConManMick

Swordmaster

(1) -

ika

Mist7676

(1) -

TheCow

Prolapsed Brain

(1) -

Radja

klick

(1) - Firebringer

not voting

-

Sword Master

Tatsuya Kaname

Prolapsed brain

With 13 players it's 7 to lynch.

Vote count:

Mist7676

(3) -

TheCow

, Gameplay506,

Radja

ConManMick

(2) -

Pisskop

, Klick

TheCow

(1) - hayotoBL

Ika

(1) -

ConManMick

Swordmaster

(1) -

ika

Prolapsed Brain

(1) - firebringer

Gameplay

(1) -

Mist7676

not voting

-

Tatsuya Kaname

Prolapsed brain

Bellaphant

With 13 players it's 7 to lynch.

Vote count:

Mist7676

(3) - Gameplay506,

Radja

, firebringer

TheCow

(2) - hayotoBL,

bellaphant

Prolapsed Brain

(2) -

theCow

, klick

ConManMick

(1) -

Pisskop

Ika

(1) -

ConManMick

Pisskop

(1) -

ika

Gameplay

(1) -

Mist7676

not voting

-

Wanderer-nl

Prolapsed brain

With 13 players it's 7 to lynch.

Vote count:

Mist7676

(4) - Gameplay506,

Radja

, firebringer,

prolapsed brain

Prolapsed Brain

(2) -

theCow

, klick

ConManMick

(1) -

Pisskop

Ika

(1) -

ConManMick

Pisskop

(1) -

ika

Gameplay

(1) -

Mist7676

TheCow

(1) - hayotoBL

not voting

-

Wanderer-nl

bellaphant

With 13 players it's 7 to lynch.

Vote count:

Mist7676

(4) - Gameplay506,

Radja

, firebringer,

prolapsed brain

Prolapsed Brain

(2) -

theCow

, klick

ConManMick

(1) -

Pisskop

Pisskop

(1) -

ika

Gameplay

(1) -

Mist7676

TheCow

(1) - hayotoBL

not voting

-

Wanderer-nl

bellaphant

ConManMick

With 13 players it's 7 to lynch.

Vote count:

Mist7676

(5) - Gameplay506,

Radja

, firebringer,

prolapsed brain

,

ConManMick

.

Prolapsed Brain

(1) - klick

ConManMick

(1) -

Pisskop

Gameplay

(1) -

Mist7676

TheCow

(1) - hayotoBL

not voting

-

Wanderer-nl

bellaphant

TheCow

Ika

With 13 players it's 7 to lynch.

Vote count:

Mist7676

(5) - Gameplay506,

Radja

, firebringer,

prolapsed brain

,

ConManMick

.

Prolapsed Brain

(1) - klick

ConManMick

(1) -

Pisskop

Gameplay

(1) -

Mist7676

TheCow

(1) - hayotoBL

not voting

-

Wanderer-nl

bellaphant

TheCow

Ika

With 13 players it's 7 to lynch.

Vote count:

Mist7676

(5) - Gameplay506,

Radja

, firebringer,

prolapsed brain

,

ConManMick

.

ConManMick

(5) -

Pisskop

, klick,

wanderer-nl

,

bellaphant

,

TheCow

Gameplay

(1) -

Mist7676

TheCow

(1) - hayotoBL

not voting

-

Ika

With 13 players it's 7 to lynch.

Vote count:

ConManMick

(5) -

Pisskop

, klick,

wanderer-nl

,

bellaphant

,

TheCow

Mist7676

(4) - Gameplay506,

Radja

, firebringer,

prolapsed brain

Gameplay

(1) -

Mist7676

Bellaphant

(1) -

ConManMick

TheCow

(1) - hayotoBL

not voting

-

Ika

With 13 players it's 7 to lynch.

[Klick]

Spoiler: Day 2

Vote count:

Prolapsed brain

(3) - klick,

TheCow

,

Ika

TheCow

(2) - Gameplay506,

MarioManiac4

Ika

(1) - firebringer

not voting

-
hayotoBL

prolapsed brain

Radja

wanderer-nl

Pisskop

With 10 players it's 6 to lynch.

The second one was the same as the first, and vonflare didn't have a final VC for D2, but I'll make one real quick:

Vote count:

TheCow

(6) - Gameplay506,

MarioManiac4

, Firebringer,

wanderer-nl

,

prolapsed brain

,

Pisskop

Prolapsed brain

(3) - klick,

TheCow

,

Ika

not voting

-
hayotoBL

Radja

With 10 players it's 6 to lynch.

It's worth noting that drunk ika attempted to hammer Cow.

And then Day Three is pretty pointless to observe because 1. there's only one Firescum left, and 2. it was just a quick wagon on PBrain.

[Klick]

So let me get this straight. You currently think gameplay is more likely to be scum than me, but you're voting me because -

I don't even have to finish that sentence to tell you what's wrong with this.

[Klick]

I was starting to second-guess my scumread on Firebringer because his recent play was looking like VI town. But doing an ISO on him, his goal from the start seems to have been to embrace being "anti-town." I could see this being a planned thing from either town or scum.

I personally don't want to lose to either you OR gameplay, Firebringer. Therefore, I'm just going to try to lynch scum.

[Klick]

And why would you play a survivalistic game as a VT? I could understand as scum or the Doctor, but VTs should be playing to attract the NK. What did you have to gain from surviving nights?

I haven't looked at gameplay in depth yet, but I see myself voting Firebringer.

[Klick]

So you're saying scum should be shooting scum, correct? That would imply the way to survive the nights is to look PRO-town. However, you claim to be trying to look ANTI-town to survive the night. Why is that?

Regardless of the game mode, you achieve optimal results as a VT by being pro-town.

[Klick]

Firebringer has stopped making sense to me. I'm just going to look at gameplay now and see what I get.

[Klick]

Just a clarification: I never said a VT's goal should be to LOOK town. I said they should be pro-town, scumhunt, find and lynch the scum. Looking town comes naturally with that. The main thing is, all VTs without exception should be playing their hardest to find scum. Purposefully playing anti-town to avoid a nightkill results in a player that's difficult to read and hasn't done much scumhunting at all ending up in endgame; in this setup, that's true of both town and scum.

Reading through gameplay's ISO. There are times when he neglects the game and doesn't scumhunt, but when he DOES scumhunt, it looks genuine. However, that doesn't mean all that much since the scum also have scum to look for. I feel like regardless of alignment, gameplay believed Mist was scum in his push on her. Part of this makes me want to believe he killed Mist? But that would also require Wanderer going along with a Mist kill.

@hayato/Firebringer

, have either of you played in a game with Wanderer-scum before?

Post #319 is a bit of a scum lean IMO:

I usually hate to give really solid scum reads early on but right now I am feeling both Cow and Mist are scum. Even on the same team lol, kinda...

This makes me think gameplay could have been hunting for a single team and thought he was confident in Cow and Mist being Ice. But that's not very strong reasoning.

In Post #374 he insults Wanderer without implying a read on her one way or another. Scum lean there. Does the same sort of non-reading interaction in #523.

The rest of his ISO is tunneling on Cow, his scumread after Mist, while ignoring most everything else.
So really I get a scum read on gameplay after a read-through. :/

hayato, can I hear your thoughts?

[Klick]

I'm beginning to question why I started playing Mafia again, when endgame play devolves to this.

[Klick]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Klick]

• Play to win the game.

If you're town, you're not playing to win; you're playing to be satisfied when you lose.

[Klick]

Only try to clear someone as town if you're confident they're town. Do you read gameplay as town?

[Klick]

I'm not confident to the point where I would risk the game on it now. I think they could both easily be scum. Frankly, right now I'm voting Firebringer because he's annoying. That and reactions etc. etc. But mostly the first reason.

[Klick]

Fire: You still think gameplay is more likely to flip scum. You just don't want to lose against scum-Klick. Is this correct?

Yes, and by Klick behavior I have no intention to change that vote.

Says that I am intending to lose which is blatantly false and ticks me off.

You have an accusation that I am throwing the game why not take it up with the mod?

Ohh wait, cause you have no proof.

Cause you aren't confirmed town. Get off your high horse.

Fire, can you please explain to me how wanting to lynch someone you expect to flip town at MyLo is not playing against your win condition?

You are voting me. You want to lynch me. Yet, gameplay is more likely to flip scum than I am. There is only one more lynch.

That's why I think, as town, your play would be against your win condition. I'm sorry if I'm interpreting something incorrectly, please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I'm seeing the state of things right now.

[Klick]

UNVOTE:

[Klick]

hayato, I'd like to know where you're leaning at the moment. At the moment, I would probably rather lynch gameplay than Firebringer, though I'm not fully sold either way.

[Klick]

Firebringer, can you address my Post #780?

[Klick]

VOTE: gameplay

[Klick]

Sorry I struck a nerve Firebringer

[Klick]

You have to understand though, during/right before this game I had to deal with the LyLo in this game. I was beginning to think it would be a repeat, and I got frustrated.

Sorry hayato, you played well. You were always an NK option, but played just enough under the radar for me to pick others over you.

[Klick]

I have to give props to gameplay as well; dude, you picked it up

big time

in the middle of D1. You were obvious town in my eyes.

[Klick]

To be fair, you thought gameplay was more likely to flip scum than me.

[Klick]

For what it's worth, I would have reacted the exact same way as town in that situation. Firebringer's vote on me didn't make very much sense in my eyes.

[Klick]

hayato, you went into today with a scumread on gameplay, right? I had that impression.

[Klick]

To be honest, I thought Firebringer was PBrain's partner. I just wanted to get rid of ika because Wanderer warned me that he's unpredictable at endgame. So I got a little lucky with the Ice shot.

I DO wish this went to 2-1-1 though. Multiball endgames are wonky and fun.

[Klick]

Please for the love of god Klick, don't ever call someone a gamethrower to try to win (regardless of your alignment) it is really shitty play.

I didn't do it to look town. In fact, I was pretty sure it was making me look worse than if I'd just ignored you. I genuinely thought you were playing against your win condition and called you out on it. Both times.

[Klick]

My pleasure.


I hope you all enjoyed the game.

Please do not hesitate to give me any feedback on my modding.

I loved your flavor. <3 I might recommend making votecounts to end the day? Lynch wagon VCs are some of the more useful VCs.

[Klick]

I'm sorry if I was annoying or hurt your feelings or anything Firebringer. You're fun, and a lot better than I was for at least my first year of playing Mafia. No hard feelings.

[Klick]

I was wrong in voting but not necesseraily at fault. I am open to the fact that I am though.

But probably gameplay and fire looked less town than klick and therefore at fault?

yes.

you were the one who lead the charge on gameplay. during a mylo/lylo somoen who looks town and still alive i would majorly quesiton.

i mean if i was in your plac ei would be pressing klick hardcore on why he has not once been shot by either

So I made a good call shooting you.

[Klick]

Wow glad I stayed up and saw this happening live Yay Klick!

Thanks for modding, Vonflare.
GG all.

I missed this. We did it! ^_^ Thanks for stepping in and being a strong scumbuddy.